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  1. I worry about how easily Kiwis can be conned into accepting this type of cruelty in our name and not care. Was the third Reich not taught in schools here?
    TraitorKey should be booed whenever he dares show his face in this country.
    The civil servants who did not do their jobs for the people of NZ, but took Nationals (corporate fascists I say, bribes) should NOT get their pensions and should be named and shamed, as they are fired from their important & critical role in our obviously damaged & fragile ‘democracy’.
    We must come across as a banana republic that are too dumb to care, notice or do the minimum to protect NZ’s reputation.
    Very sad.

  2. You said it in your last sentence Martyn, shame on us.

    There is now a body of people in Afghanistan who believe N Z’ers to be conscienceless brutes, because that’s what we were. Baddies.

    As far as I can recall, Lt-Gen Tim Keating wasn’t there that night when we shot little children fleeing into the hills with their torches, and he may well have been misled, just like we all were.

    But there comes a time when the truth becomes self-evident and we are likely at that point now. The fact that allied troops, especially the US, are involved makes culpability complex, and ideally this should make the SAS more circumspect about getting involved in others’ wars, but we have incurred a moral debt which we should pay.

    What we did to those villagers’ children doesn’t bear thinking about, but we must.

  3. It should read “Alleged War Criminal Steps Down”.

    There has not been any hearing or any trial of sorts, so how can a person be labeled as some wrongdoer, when the matter has not been heard by an inquire, a tribunal or court?

    We should not descend to the kind of prejudgment and labeling that we had from some within the National Party for nine long years.

    I do not wish to defend Keating, but perhaps be a bit fairer when attacking the guy. For the rest I’d say, good riddance.

    1. It should also be noted that when Operation Burnham was carried out he was not Chief of Army (he was Deputy Chief of Army) and we don’t know what role he played in the planning of the operation.

      There does need to be a full, independent investigation of the operation itself and also an investigation into the aftermath and whether Keating mislead the Government & Parliament last year.

  4. It’s debatable how much of a role he had, he wasn’t some blind, timid puppet or inept figurehead (he was previously commanding officer of the SAS) the problem is that the records which could confirm or deny his guilt are either behind a wall of silence.

    It’s strange, inbetween the afghan and Iraq wars New Zealand has gone further and further off the deep end. Though more the position of a select few wealthy people was upped and upped and upped, yet if Keating did openly throw his weight around, would have actually been able to change things?

    Keating is a good soldier, and like all good soldiers he took one for the establishment.

    1. @ Sam, Hey I see your comments on a number of sites.While I sometimes wish you would re read and edit your moments before you post, I do appreciate and admire your more nuanced view on issues and the structures of power that invariably undergird them

    2. Keating’s appointment had to be approved by US Defence / CIA etc.

      key dropped us into NATO. Puppet of not, in a rotten system every player is responsible for what he does and what he supports.

      And if he stays silent or lies like key has hundreds of times.

  5. Goodness me, I am pleased he has gone, but sorry he won’t have his face rubbed in it. The court case starts next Tuesday I think. This is the judicial review of the government’s decision not to have an enquiry.

    I don’t personally need to wait for an inquiry I know that I would trust Hager and Stephenson way way before I would trust this creep.

    We may yet get justice for Fatima.

  6. As I have tried to point out previously, let us not believe this is the first time this type of event has occurred. Throughout history many war crimes have remained under the radar because of censorship or less sophisticated methods of communication.
    As uncomfortable as it may be, perhaps our own ancestors were involved in some similar events. Warfare is a dreadful failing of humans which sometimes brings out the worst in us (and sometimes the best).

  7. This lot have destroyed our good reputation under a very childish leader (jhonkey)

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