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  1. Tilty frown head fears hate from rich slumlords more than she hates fear the poor kids have to live with.

  2. There is no answer. Education or mental health services won’t beat the foibles of humankind. Minimise the damage, yes, but not see lunacy gone.

    Look at Tarrant and Emwazi for the extremes they present but look all the way down the line to ordinary, everyday ‘normal’ people and the daily expressions of some state of anxiety or need to strike out. Bodies on the floor? We think we can stop that?

    We can’t even stop the daily “tilty frown head.”

  3. The only thing to fear, is fear itself. You can tell them by their fruit (actions). We are only as strong as the weakest among us. Help them up. A shout out to all our people doing it rough in prison today. Don’t dwell on hate, as it can become all-consuming when internalised. We all count, yes, even you. Stay hearty NZ 🙂

  4. I didn’t watch paddy’s piece because I fear, swept up by ratings-bent hype, he has made, or allowed, himself to become part of the story, and so lost the necessary wit to see the situation as Chris so rightly describes it.

  5. “Sadly, Gower failed to grasp the meaning of “beyond hate”. ” That’s not all he failed to grasp… Gopher breath is just a very limited boy with utter self interest at heart, and has spent his entire career repeating absolute bullshit on behalf of his sponsors… This fuckwit with a modicum of intelligence is nothing but a sideshow worker with no interest in what is in “the public interest” beyond who pays him the most to say what is required for their interests to be furthered… One thinks the writer is being kind, far too kind, to what amounts to an enemy of reason and common sense…

  6. Killing Bin Laden was no different to the Germans killing General Gott in the western desert. Or the British commandos targeting Rommel. The Americans targeted & killed Admiral Yamamoto in the Pacific. I wouldn’t call it “beyond evil” unless you want to say machine gunning soldiers attacking a defensive position is also “beyond evil”.

    Maybe you would could have used the example of the french village that was wiped off the face of the earth by the das reich SS division. Where women & children were burnt to death in the village church. This ruined village has been left as a memorial to evil.

    In my humble opinion, there are degrees of evil. War is one, but killing the generals and politicians during war is far, far less evil than killing of the ordinary foot soldiers. And also way less evil then killing surrendering soldiers or civilians.

  7. The killing on Bin Laden was no different than the killing of General Gott, by the Germans, or the attempted killing of Rommel. The Americans targeted killed admiral Yamamoto.

    I’m not sure why you would call the killing of a general or political leader during a eat “beyond evil”. We generally don’t consider the machine gunning of soldiers attacking a defensive position as a war crime. Not sure we should treat the powerful any different than the foot soldiers.

    Beyond evil was when the das reich SS division wiped a french village of the face of the earth. They killed all women and children by burning them alive in the village church.

      1. You would think that since some comments are censored at a whim that it would be noticed when someone has pressed “send” twice and not bothering to post it twice wouldn’t you.
        D J S

  8. ‘The precise nature of Tarrant’s cause has been kept from New Zealanders because the Chief Censor deemed his manifesto “objectionable”.’ Absolutely true.
    No one wants to discuss the contents of Tarrant’s manifesto — not least because he painted Muslim society as stronger and more cohesive than Western society, which he saw as decidedly degenerate. He claimed Muslim society was more attractive for those reasons. He saw himself as a soldier fighting for his civilisation.
    As Chris notes, “Tarrant wasn’t radicalised by the Internet, he was radicalised by reading histories of the Crusades. He was radicalised by his deep-seated fear that ‘Western Civilisation’, from which he derived so much of his personal identity, was under mortal threat.”
    By keeping the manifesto secret from nearly everyone except a chosen few, the Censor has enabled people like Paul Hunt of the HRC (and to some extent Ardern) to fraudulently use it in their push to impose hate speech laws on NZ.

    1. Good summary Graham. Another characteristic about it, as I remember anyway, was kind perplexing and upsetting. That was the proportion of things in there that many could agree with. It would sort of say quite normal things, then just slide off the deep end. I read it in those raw days afterwards, just before the banning, because I tend to think banned books probably say something thought-provoking.

      It was almost too much. It really caused me at least think hard about where he slid off, and to Chris’ point, whether/how/how much indeed one shared in the stuff underlying what Tarrant did. We all knew that we were were appalled, we all knew that “they were us”. Imagine if the entire country – Maori, pakeha, asian, black, blue, man, woman, non-gendered-entities, LGBTTIQ+~&%, whatever – also found even as we grieved in public in our 10s of thousands that, just a tiny little bit, “he was us” too, and that all three things could be true at once? Shadow work if ever there was.

      So while I also find the proposed hate speech laws next-level bad, I can’t help but think the particular banning was in part a strange sort of ‘pragmatic’ decision made of a time, probably by the PM, about keeping the country from looking in the mirror en masse, and simply blowing apart.

  9. Dear Mr Trotter, there is something deeply wrong with your argument and I can’t quite put my finger on what it is, but I suspect it has something to do with the fact that hatred and fear and suspicion of ‘the other’ has long historical roots that go back as far as evolutionary time. It also has something to do with the generalised violence of capitalist and technological acceleration that all societies have been dealing with since the middle of last century. To twist the whole thing around and suggest putting the blame on the so-called ‘woke’ for somehow supporting the implementation of a police state is simply disingenuous. Liberal democracies, and particularly ones with left leaning governments, are largely struggling to deal effectively with current society as being in a constant state of emergency and crisis.

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