David Seymour and Damien Grant – When Zionist Libertarians pimp for war
Oh how sad.
When Libertarians go bad.
Normally Libertarians can be relied upon to hate war and be a stickler for contracts and the rules based order.
David Seymour and Damien Grant however have dumped any pretensions of intellectual justification and have instead mutated into Zionist Libertarians pimping for war.
Firstly, this…
…oh come on!
The only reason we are facing a medieval Theocracy in the first place is because America committed a coup in Iran to topple the democratically elected leader and put a Dictator into place whose repression was so bad it led to the Islamic revolution.
No one supports the craziness of Iran’s Theocracy, it’s an abomination to progressive liberal democracies like ours!
They kill little girls for not wearing headscarfs FFS!
Their human rights abusing regime deserves justice, but at the hands of the Iranian people, nit from those who created the problem by meddling in their domestic politics in the first place!
You can’t be a Libertarian screaming for the rules based order one day and then shrugging when Trump and Israel launch an illegal war against a regime they don’t like!
How come David can be so clear cut when criticising Putin, yet silent when it’s America and Israel?
Two countries let’s not forget who have just come from war crimes in Gaza that technically breached Genocide thresholds.
They both arrive at this next conflict dripping in blood.
America and Israel are exporting their war crimes to Lebanon and Iran!
Damien Grant’s grovelling piece in Stuff however deserves special attention because he can be embarrassed intellectually more than Seymour can…
To Helen Clark: Sorry, but international law won’t stop an Iranian nuke
Stuff
…again, as a Libertarian he’s shrugging off Trump’s insane decision to launch an illegal war by claiming that Iran was about to build a nuclear bomb and that justifies Israel and Trump attacking.
What a load of cobblers!
There is no Intelligence that Iran was about to build a bomb…
Iran nuclear weapons: ‘This is not intelligence, this is fabrication’
Donald Trump said: ‘If we didn’t hit within two weeks, they [Iran] would have had a nuclear weapon’. Robert Malley, the lead negotiator on the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, tells Sky’s Yalda Hakim that ‘there’s no way that Iran would have been two weeks away from developing a bomb.’
Sky News
…and when exactly was it ok to just launch an illegal war on Iran?
Which time would Damien like to point to where Iran was ‘just about to build a nuclear bomb’, because as you will all be aware, Bibi has been pushing this claim that Iran was just about to build a bomb FOR 40 YEARS!!!!!
So which time was Bibi right then?
If Damien Grants argument is that this war is legal because Iran was about to build a nuclear bomb – which time?
Was it this time…
1992 – Knesset speech
Netanyahu warned Iran could have nuclear weapons within “three to five years.”
Quote:
“Within three to five years… Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb.”
…was it this time….
Book Fighting Terrorism
Netanyahu repeated the same warning in his book.
Claim: Iran could have nuclear weapons within 3–5 years.
…or was it this time…
1996 – U.S. Congress speech
Netanyahu warned that Iran obtaining nuclear weapons was imminent and catastrophic.
He said the deadline was “getting extremely close.”
…or was it this time…
2009 – Meetings with U.S. Congress delegation
According to leaked U.S. diplomatic cables:
Netanyahu said Iran was “probably one or two years away” from nuclear weapons capability.
…or was it this time…
2012 – United Nations General Assembly speech
Netanyahu used a famous cartoon bomb diagram to warn the world.
He said Iran was approaching a stage where it would be “a few months away” from enough enriched uranium for a bomb.
…or was it this time…
2015 – Speech to U.S. Congress opposing Iran nuclear deal
Netanyahu argued the nuclear agreement would not stop Iran from getting a bomb, saying Iran was dangerously close to nuclear capability.
…or was it this time…
2018 – “Iran nuclear archive” presentation
Netanyahu said Israeli intelligence proved Iran had been pursuing nuclear weapons and warned the threat remained imminent.
…or was it this time…
2025 – Media interviews and statements
Netanyahu said intelligence showed Iran was “close to developing a nuclear weapon.”
He justified military strikes by saying Israel could not allow Iran to reach that point.
…Bibi has been pushing this line that Iran was just about to build a nuclear bomb and we need to attack them for 4 decades and the reason no American Administration was mad enough to go along with it was because every time they war game out the result, it turns into a blood filled quagmire that spirals out of control, creates regional wars, creates internal schism bloodbaths and the price of oil explodes.
Trump is the only American moron to get conned into Netanyahu’s blood feud with Iran and we are all going to pay the price!.
Watching Good Libertarians evolve into Zionist Libertarian pimps for war is a sad, sad, sad day for Right wing politics.
That sound you hear is Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand paying the Free Market to roll them in their graves.
David Seymour confirms he is a complete tosser. I appreciate that is crass and devoid of analysis but most people I know could park the political angle and acknowledge he’s a smarmy individual. In addition I don’t see at this point how you could hold Israel in a positive regard. The world may have turmoil somewhere most days, but the Israelis are having far too much say in the well being of all us. They need to pull their heads in.
Their entire argument is undercut by the lack of evidence on the Iranian nuclear program and the words of the Omani negotiator.
“The Gulf nation says Iran has agreed to zero stockpiling of uranium and to convert existing enriched material into fuel, calling it an unprecedented breakthrough in nuclear negotiations.”
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/02/28/mediator-oman-hails-breakthrough-in-us-iran-nuclear-talks_6750947_4.html
Libertarians logic extended domestically.
Laws against murder in Aotearoa haven’t stopped murders from occuring. So why bother having laws against murder.
These people are clowns and, let’s not forget, Grant is a convicted fraudster.
Seymour and Grant are a pair of weakling- more Luxon fluff. They twist the facts to suit. How can weasel Seymour call out Iran while condoning the mass murders by the insane megalomaniac, Netanyahu and now Trump? Again he simply picks what suits his sick Atlas agenda. We don’t need people of this low mindset in our community. No one is saying Iran is in the right – it’s about the lives of real human-beings.
The faster Seymour is out of government the safer NZers will be.
I’m not sure you can rely on libertarians for anything. They seem to be a particularly idiotic crowd, as shown by the fact that everything there put in charge of turns to custard. Still, I doubt if either of these guys has to worry about the price of petrol.