Farrar is a coward quisling – here’s the real reason NZ will join Australia

‘Worst idea in history’: Paddy Gower vs David Farrar on NZ becoming an Australian state
Does New Zealand need to be “bigger to survive” in a world increasingly dominated by great powers unrestrained by the rules and norms that have characterised much of international relations since WWII?
That’s the argument made by political commentator David Farrar, who said in an opinion piece on The Post that Aotearoa should trade its sovereignty for greater security by becoming an Australian state – or even a colony.
“I am very serious,” Farrar said of his proposal during a debate with Stuff’s Paddy Gower on ThreeNews on Thursday. “It’s not that I think it’s desirable, but it’s now necessary.”
Farrar told ThreeNews “the world has changed,” shifting from decades of a “rules-based order” to one where “might is right,” and where more powerful countries can assert their will over others by force.
Stuff
Farrar is a coward quisling. Anyone who would willingly bow the knee to fucking Australia should never be allowed near NZ politics again.
He claims such a move would allow us to be colony for Australia when the truth is we never stopped being a colony!
We are barely a nation.
We are 3 huge sparsely populated Islands that have traded in real investment into our infrastructure, bureaucracy and economic sovereignty in favour of a neoliberal hellscape hollowed out and broken by privatisation experiment failures, addiction to a low wage exploitative economy and total capitulation to big polluters interests and speculators.
We are seeing the impact of that neoliberal hellscape hollowed out and broken by privatisation experiment failures right now in Wellington…

…remember 3 waters would have stopped that but the easily manipulated NuZilinders were conned by the Taxpayers’ Union stable of clients and Dark Ag only altho da maaaaaaares is stealing da wate’r.
Drown in shit rednecks.

In terms of Farrar’s point about Trump trashing the rules based order. he is correct in that. We do need to urgently review what being an Independent Nation requires in terms of increased diplomacy costs and our military.
We need far more drones and we need to increase what we spend on the military, not to attack anyone, but to defend what we have.
That debate is necessary, bowing the knee to another country is not!
So NZ should never bow the knee to Australia and Farrar is a disloyal coward quisling to arguing for it, HOWEVER, what he is talking about will of course come to pass.
NZ will bow the knee and become a subject of Australia, not because we choose to, not for geopolitical reasons but because of the looming Alpine Fault rupture and all that will expose…
NZ’s disaster readiness red flagged
Kiwis are urged not to be complacent about being disaster ready as, despite what many people believe, there is no “army” of emergency responders, the national emergency management agency warns.
“There’s a widespread assumption that Civil Defence is a standing army that will come rushing out of the woodwork when the balloon goes up,” said John Price, director of the National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA). “That’s not how it works.”
In fact New Zealand has fewer than 450 full time equivalent dedicated emergency management staff across central and local government. The immediate responders on the ground in the community are firefighters, police, ambulance, volunteers, utilities contractors.
In a major emergency, their focus for days and weeks will be rescuing those in danger and restoring critical lifelines, not on “hand-delivering supplies to your neighbourhood”.
In its briefing to the incoming minister (BIM), which was released last week, the agency stressed that at current funding levels, even a moderate scale event could easily overwhelm New Zealand’s emergency management system.
That was borne out during Cyclone Gabrielle last year when many smaller communities were isolated and without contact for days.
The briefing went on to say central government agencies and civil defence groups would not have sufficient staff available to operate a response to a catastrophic event, such as a magnitude 8-plus Hikurangi subduction zone (under the sea floor) earthquake and tsunami, which modelling shows has a 25% chance of happening in the next 50 years.
In some cases, it said, there may not be the capacity to fully respond to and recover from a moderate or even small-scale event.
The Hikurangi tsunami scenario is just one of several outlined in the BIM, with an alpine fault magnitude 8 or more quake even more likely, at 75%, and an eruption at Ruapehu, Tongariro, Ngauruhoe or Whakaari White Island “almost certain”in the next 50 years.
The Post
The Alpine Fault would be the largest natural disaster to impact a modern country and the ramifications of that alone could cause a total collapse of our country.
In such a calamity, I think there is a real question mark over our capacity to continue as a seperate country and you might end up with a situation whereby NZ becomes the 10th state of Australia (after Jervis Bay Territory, Territory of Christmas Island, Territory of the Cocos Keeling Islands and Norfolk Island) because the cost required from the Alpine Fault would easily overwhelm our ability to rebuild.
Look how fucked our current hollowed out privatisation experiment is right now, you think any of those corporations currently milking NZ for contracts will be anywhere to be seen after the Alpine Fault ruptures?
We are not ready for Climate Change…
Deadly storms expose growing gap between disaster recovery and climate preparation
RNZ
…we are not ready for the Alpine Fault and we are not ready for the consequences of having little economic sovereignty and structural resilience.
These things are coming and we are simply waiting.
NZ won’t choose to become an Australian colony, we will be forced to become one because our resilience capacity will have been bleached from this country’s bones long before the Alpine Fault ruptures.






If David Farrar wants to be Australien, he’s more than welcome to leave and jump the ditch and be one.
A debate between two of NZ’s more physically-miserable individuals would suggest that, if we were to be absorbed into another country, let it be one with healthier genes.
Very sobering reading, which should tell those, in denial, that they won’t be exempt from any consequences. I believe Australia will prove to be in a worse state that NZ temperature-wise and will treat NZers as they currently treat those from Tasmania, i.e. as second class citizens! We will be at the bottom of the pile! Of course they will want our country to take their people, and in droves, as they run out of safe places to live. Not nice thoughts. However it would be better than becoming part of the fast disintegrating USA. And yes, privitisation has already proved it is a ‘con job’ with the spoils going, once again, to those who don’t need them, but the thicko’s out there won’t see this! Clearly the Left needs to factor in more ‘home-made’ drones to protect our coastline and increase our military spend. We can’t dally on these objectives but must get on quickly to ensure the safety of all NZers, especially our innocent decendants.
Why doesn’t Farrar move to Australia and do us all a favour and f off.
I agree with most of what you say, except that spending money on drones is somehow going to protect us in some way.
NZ will never be independent as we will never have the ability to defend ourselves. The Swiss are independent. They are all highly trained, armed and prepared to die united for their country, as well as having bunkers 1km under the Alps.
We are lazy, ill prepared, naive, have no training apart from watching Chinese kung fu movies on youtube and beating up women and the defenceless, and have no desire to fight to save a country most real kiwis now despise.
We could spend 25% of GDP on drones and defence a couple of foreign warships could wipe out our defences with little resistance.
Just under 50% of Brits said recently they would refuse to fight for their country.
And will we have any young people left to fight in any case. Or do we put all of Winnies supporters on the front line so they can make vocal deranged calls to talkback about how there’s too many Asians on the beach before they stampede back to their cages.
Why would we be a ‘colony’ of Australia. We are per capita a far less wealthy country than Australia, so if we joined Australia, our per capita income would go up significantly immediately and theirs would go down slightly given our respective population sizes.
Already huge numbers of New Zealanders avail themselves of the better opportunities afforded by Australia, and that includes not just jobs, but Medicare as well.
Australia has huge mineral wealth and natural resources and are at least sensible enough to exploit those resources, unlike New Zealandeds who moan about poverty but unwilling to exploit our natural resources
Economic union at the very least is something that should be considered. Your argument about neo liberalism in NZ is a non sequitur.
Our governments are so useless even Australia’s are much better.
Unless they lift their game massively, there really won’t be much choice.
So the question is, do we join before or after the Alpine Fault ruptures (which will all be Australia’s fault of course, as it’s their tectonic plate pushing up against ours)? If we ask to join after the rupture, the Aussie’s might just say to bugger off – we don’t want to use our money to fix up your country…