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  1. Let’s take a breath here. Vance is the rags to riches success story, and all his own work. A Protestant who converted to Catholicism after reading the works of St Augustine of Hippo, a giant philosopher who breached the gap between paganism and Christianity, may be hard to understand in secular New Zealand, but that reading alone is well beyond the intellectual capacity of most politicians – and many so-called academics. Its focus is on the well-being of all people. How Vance has allegedly profited from opiate addiction is unclear, and I’d hesitate to describe understanding it, as hilarious.

    The current wretched state of the good old US of A has evolved under the Biden administration, and its electioneering consisting of shooting people down rather than engaging with the issues, may or may not be efficacious, but it achieves sfa. White men here feel rather victimised too, and the weaponising of colonialism is another tool in the armoury of the divide-and-rule brigade and used too recklessly to alienate some Maori from mainstream society.

    1. You would quite happily have a Christian Theocracy imposed, with LGBT’s being strung up with piano wire. I can see right thru you. You will never be able to convert me. Even by torture.

      1. Anyone else worked out whether millsy’s comments are a piss take or she? is actually nuttier than squirrel shit?

      2. Millsy Vance’s wife is Hindu, and in many ways Indian Hinduism has been more societally beneficent than other religious streams in being able, historically, to be an umbrella accommodating different belief systems. Behind every successful man is a good woman, but read St Augustine for yourself, juxtapose him with Mrs Vance’s Hinduism, and have yourself a nice cup of miso, and maybe a hot sausage roll, Bishop’s pater permitting.

        1. I believe in bodily autonomy, and the freedom to love who you want. People like you have an issue with that because of what some dead Palestinian carpenter tells you.

          1. Millstone, you need to get out more and challenge your prejudices. I am a free speech champion but please make it rational so we can follow it. Ok?

        2. what the fuck are you talking about. Go ask a muslim Indian how accommodating the Hindu are. Ask the lower castes how they are treated by the elites. Hinduism, like all sects, is a scourge.

          1. Yes, there are huge issues in Silicon Valley with employees who belong to lower castes finding their career paths rather stunted.

          2. So which Islamic sect should the Indian who is to be asked the question belong to?

    2. He was never a true Protestant if he converted to Catholicism. While you are unable to understand that allowing pagan customs to enter the church makes it no longer Christian the old saying that national apostasy will be followed by national ruin describes what is about to happen as the USA combines the church with the state for a repeat of the dark ages.

      1. Any Protestant who stops being ignorant of Church history and genuinely studies it, must either become Catholic, Orthodox, or a conman. Nobody with a brain remains a Protestant after that.

        1. I guess that you are correct in that there is no difference between the Catholic or Orthodox faiths & conmen since they are man-made religions, something like 50 million people were murdered during the Dark Ages because they refused to participate in false worship so you need to expand where you source your genuine knowledge from if you want any credibility.

  2. It’s hilarious. All those knuckle dragging white supremacists just got a VP that has an Indian wife! Oh dear that’s a problem. This guy represents the hope of this white band of victims?

  3. Love that singing chap, hope he’s not meant to be something negative, otherwise as George Galloway says…the US has a choice between two cheeks of the same ass. Politics/democracy is an illusion and given the caliber of the politicians that the “establishment” are giving the people to choose from, they are not even hiding this fact. Their contempt for the people is clear, but unfortunately understandable at the same time, their ability to easily manipulate the masses, thanks to their mainstream media and their political puppets, well, most people would find it hard to feel equal to the easily manipulated after all.

  4. JD Vance, Trump and all their white working class and their supporters are all scabs, who would cross a picketline.

  5. Should we give that much of a shit about wounded, lonely, white incel men really? They need to own their own inadequacies and heal themselves rather than blast away at school kids and concert goers.

  6. Excellent comment. One of the most insightful chapters in Hillbilly Elegy (Vance’s book) was how whilst a law school a sympathetic tutor took him aside and taught him how to play the unspoken rules of the game, in other words all those little gatekeeper cues and ticks that one needs to understand if they were to progress. His point was that on its own, education, even an ivy league education, is not enough. One needs to be able to play the game as well and it is here where the insiders or the ‘elite’ have the power to exclude.

  7. Trump is slipperier than a jelly wrestler–an expert at drawing out resentment–with no intention of doing anything whatsoever though regarding union rights, minimum wage increases or taxing the wealthy.

    He is personally degenerate but the evangelicals support him because he helps deliver their misogynist anti gay agenda via the bent Supreme Court, and legions of idiot state Judges.

    1. Yes, it’s almost as if Trump promised a bunch of things, then actually did them when he was in power. Strange how that makes people who vote for you like you a lot.

  8. … check the connections Vance / Thiel … he also describes himself as ‘Fan of AUKUS’ …

  9. Interesting and insightful article Martyn.
    Not many local NZ media outlets have even figured this out much yet.
    I also valued the readers many comments.
    Thank you.

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