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  1. Is five finder discount Christmas shopping at posh Ponsonby frock shops activism? Sticking it to the Capitalist pigs, yes?

    #ProfessionalManagerialClass
    #PoshFrockFeminism

    1. For the information of other political illiterates besides this moron…in fact it is fascists who are fascists.

      Woke is the 21st century equivalent of “PC” or politically correct of the late 20th century. Woke is a pejorative catch all term applied by reactionaries and lunkheads to people with empathy, concern for the vulnerable and planet Earth. Certainly there are strategic and tactical differences between issue based, identity based and class left based people and movements.

      Post WWII fascism with a small “f” has morphed into a general political insult used by all and sundry with little regard for the history of the original militaristic, authoritarian, corporatist, racist beginnings of the Nazis and Mussolini. Parking wardens are not fascists, ACT MPs are authoritarians but not fascists–they still support Parlimentary elections for one thing, and NZ groups that take a hard line on issues are generally not fascists.

      Fascists in the modern setting are open and declared neo Nazis and white supremacists.

    2. True. Its all too easy to imagine what the woke left would do with the power if they ever got it, God forbid. We’d be stuck with the same 1% elite but they’d be inquisitors instead of round table types and their cruelty would know no bounds. Until then I’m sticking with the egalitarian right. Personal liberty trumps tyrannical group think sorry. Call me when we get a proper left.

      1. Yeah god forbid we would bring in anti discrimination laws, liberalize abortion laws, protect LGBT, improve access to birth control, and stop cops from just gunning down people willy nilly.

        1. Spot the class traitor.

          You voted to cut and freeze wages
          You voted to take away public holidays
          You voted to destroy state housing
          You voted to get rid of Fair Pay Agreements and chop sick leave
          You voted to privatise tertairy education
          You voted to get rid of clean water laws.

          1. And the rest. If we are responsible for the negatives then I want to be responsible for the positives.

    3. No, the Christian right are fascists. They want to crack down on LGBT’s, blacks, non traditional relationships, etc.

      1. Whoar @millsy! You are pushing your luck!

        Did you get permission from Weka Weka Polly Wanna cracker before posting that?

        Oh ‘boy’, YOU could be in real trouble from both sides. (And remember, there are “good People on BOTH sides”).
        I really wouldn’t wanna be in your shoes, The good Mother Weka is watching you @millsy while you’re on TS probation, and ‘it’ has an army of really special intellectual specimens across the identity spectrum ready to back ‘it’ up.

  2. I am all for the state providing better services as on your list paid for by a fairer tax system (yes wealthy high earners will pay more) although the public service culture needs to get a lot better than it is now. Your ‘me first’ consumerism line is about the closest you come to mentioning that with ‘rights’ come ‘responsibilities’. While poverty is obviously the major driver of most of our social problems personal responsibility is something that needs to change if we want long-term improvement. Basic things like healthy lifestyle choices, making education a priority, mutual respect etc would reduce the load on the health system, improve productivity & the worker’s share of that income, and make society safer. People are different & it is not possible to set a perfect plan that everyone would like so there needs to be flexibility however if people develop the practice of being honest with themself they will be able to find ways to do things better that still allow them to enjoy life.

  3. The political space is getting harder to understand. Woke Left vs Class Left is part of that dynamic but here’s a teu story. I have a long term buddy who, on the face of it, is Class Left. Union supporter in fact many times the Union Rep in his workplace. Anti-authoritian all his life. But now a bit prone to unsubstantiated stuff. Not a big fan of greed or of capitalist consumption. Supporter of tax reform and the universal provision of well funded public services. On social issues on the conservative side, a pro-lifer and definitely not for the liberalisation of abortion laws. But a supporter of the decriminalization of weed. What gets under his skin most is the Woke Left.

    Talk to him at length, especially after a few beers, and he’s really one of Hillary Clinton’s Deplorables. Sick to fuck of pigs in the trough, sick to fuck of Woke Greenies (and any other Woke PC morons), sick to fuck of authority stepping in on his life. He’d be an anti-vaxer left to his own choice. He’s lost patience with them all, comfortable in his grumpy Boomer skin. Not that you have to be a Boomer to be a Deplorable. Sometimes when hes on a rant I have to hang up.

    How many of his kind are out there?

    1. “..sick to fuck of authority stepping in on his life…
      But he seems to be OK with authorities (ie godbothering filth) dictating whether or when women should choose when they want to have a baby or get pregnant. Whatever.

      1. It’s a mistake not shaming woman for having babies outside of a relationship. I didn’t say outside of marriage because marriage is way to dangerous for men when the vast vast majority of woman initiate divorce only to lose years of hard work to ungrateful, bitter and argumentative fem bots. New Zealand is anti family, anti men. You try and put men in jail for looking at woman that’s real hatred not towards men but towards woman.

        1. The mistake is what your mother made in not having an abortion when she was pregnant with you.

        2. I can understand your POV Sam. But you are simplistic. Unreal ideas and dreams abound about each sex and the other sex may not ever find out what they should know.

          But women aren’t given a good time if they have children, the whole society has a male slant. Bringing up children is not a respected role as the basis of our society should be. Women wanted the right to be able to work after marriage, to raise their position in society’s eyes, and to help their household advance and to keep commercial skills current. But now they are forced to put their children aside and go or even just try for work. Helping single parents at one time, we were given free tickets to a magic show. I got in touch with one mother who could not utilise this special pleasure as she had to be ready at all times to take up employment if it randomly came along.

          The roles in society of young people, and relationships and parenthood are complex. And government is mealy mouthed as we have found out from Lake Alice revelations, also Orange Tamariki. Talking about abortion as murder is silly and simplistic also. Women get held hostage by their fertility and their and men’s life force and attraction which can be great. Luckily abortions lessen – women can’t become pregnant each month, and with luck and forethought fewer mistakes occur without abstention and the Magdalene-type compounds. https://www.history.com/news/magdalene-laundry-ireland-asylum-abuse
          Monty Python may make an effective point here.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

  4. Class left exists in the memories of dinosaurs. The class left was sold out and crushed by rich kid Chardonnay Socialists long ago.

    1. Used to @ Powerman. In its original sense the term had a positive spin, a badge worn to denote awarness of injustice. Now the meaning has shifted, now being Woke is sooo uncool. Many an informed comment on past TDB postings. Although here’s the rub. Many so called Woke feel justified in calling out what they perceive to be injustice, particularly around gender discrimination and intolerance of diversity.

    2. woke = people who support LGBT’s, abortion, civil rights for blacks, abortion, birth control, due process, civil liberies, police not being able to gun people down, Christians not being able to dictate how peopkle live their lives, shit like that.

  5. Thing is bomber, for marginalised communities like trans, Maori, disabled, ect social issues ARE economic issues… Social justice doesn’t need to come at the cost of economic justice, it’s the same struggle and we can do both!

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