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  1. The only free man in NZ at this point is Peter Thiel, and he isn’t even a New Zealander. This can’t be worse

  2. While I admire your confidence that humans can find a way out of the mess we are in any real knowledge of human nature (mainly the ability of people to have access to the same information but making different conclusions) would suggest things will only get worse. It is possible that whoever is in power will use that power to enforce obedience but that is no guarantee that they are correct.

  3. What Maori self determination?
    The treaty was signed for precisely the opposite reason, for equal rights for all citizens under the British crown, and says as much.
    Inventing the opposite because you want stuff later is mad and dangerous.

  4. There is no reference to a partnership or co-governance in the Treaty and even a basic understanding of the historical context of the Treaty tells us that it would have been considered a ludicrous notion at the time, by all parties.

    There is ample evidence in the letters of various chiefs to each other and in the records of the 1860 conference of Kohimarama to show that the chiefs both understood the intent of the Treaty and liked the outcome.

    > It ended the grossly brutal musket wars
    > It helped free about 10,000 Maori slaves
    > It gave even the lowliest Maori equal access to common law

  5. Looked up co-governance on govt web site and found it to be filled with bureaucratic wiffle waffle which seems to be premised on the exercise of good intentions . And we all know where that road leads .

  6. The picture Dave Brow(nz) paints of our so-called democracy is right on the money. As many historians have recorded, pre-European Maori society was essentially Communist and, as such, was always going to be “deconstructed”, once it had helped the colonists get on their feet. With that point reached, and with Maori having made the Waikato into the bread basket of Auckland, in the first of two catastrophic seizures of publicly-owned assets that were to devastate a New Zealand people, Maori society was destroyed.
    The second instance happened in the 1980s when the forces of Imperial Capitalism attacked Aotearoa New Zealand and, in the name of Neo-Liberalism, stripped it of the last vestiges of all communally owned state assets, so that it too was “deconstructed” in the interests of private Capital, and again a New Zealand society was destroyed.
    And if you don’t know that, you haven’t been paying attention.

  7. “every left wing blog should have a guest Marxist.”
    So that we can all be reminded of the glaring faults of that failed fantasy?
    The litany of ludicrous assertions, untroubled by any recourse to reality, typified by the treaty partnership and co-governance delusion. There is no such thing; outside of the fevered imaginings of the likes Dave Brownz here.

  8. It looks from comments so far Dave, that your piece is classic “pearls cast before swine”.

    There is a deep dark reservoir of racism and Māori bashing in this country. Many in the provinces sit on stolen or dubiously acquired land and desperately do not want to know about the class nature of the colonial fallout this country experiences daily.

    New gens will now have to be the ones that will attempt to unite all who can be united so Māori, Pākehā and migrant workers can all go forward together. First to smash neo liberalism, then hopefully on to a socialist NZ.

    Working class Māori/Pākehā unity is one thing the NZ ruling class has always feared most–for if that happens it is game over for them. Yes there is a small section of Māori capitalists and entrepreneurs, but were they not taught by experts?–British Imperialism in the first instance.

  9. As we do have a democracy currently, if we want to move away from it, it seems to me that we should at least vote on it. If as you say the majority is Maori ‘self determinists’ and their supporters then great, we will travel that way. But its nice to be consulted on things of fundamental importance to the everyday man in the street.

  10. Radicals are much the same thinkers whatever race and background they came from. That is my observation. Merely stating a point in ringing tones, so to speak, and with great conviction doesn’t make it true because the person wants to believe that. Let’s keep human nature in mind. It is remarkably similar over the world, and affected by ingrained prejudices, past history that has remained in memory, and a desire to protect what one has, not to be stripped of the necessitites of life and opportunity to achieve more. And wariness of promises if people have been strugglers for a while.

  11. All things considered this point and finis is one to embrace. It is true that there is already a lot of co-government going on. If the blowhards and hearties and shrill emotional backbiters can be quietened, perhaps throw them some meat, we might be able to get to the last paragraph of Dave’s vision. I don’t know if this contradicts what I have just said but contradictions will arise and there will need to be a protocol to discuss and settle these.

    When co-determination is already being practiced routinely over rivers, over settlements like Te Urewera, and local government, in many ways foreshadowing the emergence of a new workers’ democracy, it is not too hard to envisage a relatively peaceful, united and a socially democratic outcome, other than a dying capitalism which prevails today, from emerging out of the struggle for Maaori self-determination.

    The quietly joyful realisation will settle on us that we have done it. By God we’ve done it.
    Make it so!
    Let it be – (very soon.)
    And when the brokenhearted people
    Living in the world agree
    There will be an answer
    Let it be
    For though they may be parted
    There is still a chance that they will see
    There will be an answer
    Let it be

    And when the night is cloudy
    There is still a light that shines on me
    Shine on ’til tomorrow
    Let it be…
    Let it be, let it be
    Let it be, yeah, let it be
    Whisper words of wisdom
    Let it be !
    Lennon/McCartney
    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/beatles/letitbe.html

  12. “within the surviving institutions where leaders are elected and mandated by the people to work for their collective interests.” I dont believe we still have any of these institutions in this country. For example I have no idea who the current government are working for, it certainly isnt me or anyone else I know. We are deliberately running our largest city at “arms length” from the representitives we supposedly elect to run it. The entire world seems to be spiralling out of control.

  13. The blind stupidity & dangerous naivety of a dogmatist utterly divorced from the real world.

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