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  1. Dr Gordon, Thank you for this post!
    It is certainly a question that I’ve been turning over, but now I’m clear as to what I want to do. I’m in the East Coast Electorate where Anne Tolley was unassailable for the longest time 🙂 But now it has changed and Labour’s Kiri Allan has a good chance of making it in. It cannot be taken for granted as this has long been a very “Blue” seat, so every vote counts. So of course my Electorate vote will be for Kiri.

    However I finally put aside my disappointment with, and at times anger at the Greens, for now anyway, and will give them my Party vote. I would NOT be doing this if I thought there was any chance of Jacinda not being returned, but I am now certain that she will continue to lead us safely through the times ahead. That being so, I want to see the Greens back in some form as well, so I’m party voting Green.

    The Greens do now have a raft of very good policies, brought out over the last week or so, including yesterday’s Oceans release. Can they implement them? I don’t know, but if no-one’s there to represent them then those new, excellent policies won’t get a look in. I am very much hoping that they do get that chance.

    1. Agree with your decision. James Shaw stuffed up but it was the party that got him back in line. The Greens have been thwarted by NZ1st and have not achieved as much as they would wish. And I think that is because they don’t play dirty like Winston and that is something I admire So I will be voting Party Vote Green like you because I want honourable politics…. and clean water and no plastics and landscapes preserved and fish in the sea and a seriously less unequal society…. the list goes on. Like you I am going to vote for what I believe.

      1. Very true. Also, it isn’t likely James will remain as co-leader far beyond the next election. He doesn’t appear to really get what survival for the planet is going to take. Having said that, he is a nice guy and will probably do the decent thing after the election.

  2. So it seems you must have voted for the continuation of Rogernomics in ’87 Liz. What can I say?
    I agree that the vote for MMP was an attempt by the people to prevent another hijack of the democratic process that enabled neoliberalism to be imposed on an unwilling and unsuspecting electorate. But MMP has inevitably made it that much harder for a government to make the radical changes necessary to reverse that system.
    If you believe this labour government wants to do this you should give them the opportunity. If not then you should vote for the coalition partner you believe most likely to influence them toward doing that.
    IMHO
    D J S

  3. Well our case is that we are oldies (over 70) so we will vote party for NZF and labour for MP.

    This ‘Green Party’ was not the Green Party we joined in 1999 as they then attracted us then as they were talking hard and protesting for the environment and to restore ‘public rail’ after it was sold.

    Now this Green party is not fighting for ‘our regional rail’ and we are so pissed off about that as they have lost the plot.

  4. A number of people are thinking through what you raise Liz. Party Vote Green for tactical reasons I say. I have not voted Labour since 1984, but have always voted. New Labour, Alliance, Mana, Green.

    The Greens showed where they were heading when Sue Bradford was rejected as leader, but none the less, one party rule is not worth contemplating. Greens have the best workers policy–even according to usual Labour supporters the NZCTU. Their policy document goes pretty close to a Basic Income by another name, and many other practical ideas.

    There are people in NZ Labour that have never truly embraced MMP, and dream of “one Labour to rule them all”, a scenario where we would not see Rogernomics rolled back as it so needs to be.

  5. Perhaps the crucial question is at what point does a wasted Green vote allow National/ACT to govern?

    I haven’t yet seen any calculations of the effect of wasted Green and NZ First votes. If there’s any risk at all, then one has to vote Labour for safety.

    1. Yes, I agree. That is a concern. And, it is easy to slip into complacency based on polling which may have changed.

    2. It will only be a wasted vote for Greens if everyone stars thinking that way. This is the time to vote Greens. Let’s make it a Labor Green government. Go to their website and read some of the 45 policies….the short version.

      1. Well, The Greens gave into identity politics and run down any favor’s they had with Labour. In the end, once you start resting on policy formula and going no further you’re no use to anyone. The Greens have had 2 years of mediocre performance and 1 year of non performance where you’ve got to get the Prime Ministers commitment or try and get it for the big reforms. But y’know they’ve run out of puff.

  6. In case anyone’s not aware of this, every NZ Electorate has its own Wikipedia page, showing the history of how voting has gone in previous years, with all the results and those who were standing. Some have a history of being very close. Some used to be clearly for one or other party, but this year a lot seems to be changing.

    1. Well, I sure hope that is the case in terms of changing!

      There only needs to be ‘enough’ Green Party votes to get them over the line. And the new Jacinda supporters likely come from elsewhere.

      But it is a worry relying on polls and pundits. I highly value our esteemed TDB editor, for his track record and recent travails battling the cops and state forces. But, I will wait till the votes are counted before I actually believe long time Tory voters will turn. Happy to be wrong.

  7. Looking at Labours disinterest in change over the last three years (just more globalist neo liberalism) and its reluctance to tell us what its policies going forward or is that resting on its laurels are, I’d say vote for anyone else (well expect National who look much the same as Labour).

  8. I traditionally vote Labour but when disillusionment set in I voted Green.
    Then disappointment set in so I voted TOP
    Then reality set in and I’m back to Labour.
    This election is different.
    I will vote Labour not because I am entirely happy with them. I am not.
    They are really just National light.
    But the very thought of this current iteration of National led by that woman, that deputy and that finance spokesperson scares the bejesus out of me.
    I will vote for any party that will ensure they are not only defeated but thrashed.

    1. Given the vagaries of our MMP voting system and what happens to wasted votes, in this election you don’t need to vote Labour to thrash National as Labour is so far ahead of National that Labour will pick up the lions’ share of the wasted votes. So vote for a minor party and get two bites at the cherry where Labour gives you only one.

  9. I traditionally vote Labour but when disillusionment set in I voted Green.
    Then disappointment set in so I voted TOP
    Then reality set in and I’m back to Labour.
    This election is different.
    I will vote Labour not because I am entirely happy with them. I am not.
    They are really just National light.
    But the very thought of this current iteration of National led by that woman, that deputy and that finance spokesperson scares the bejesus out of me.
    I will vote for any party that will ensure they are not only defeated but thrashed.

  10. A little while ago I wrote bemoaning the fact that Social Credit never gets any recognition for their policies. I have just seen Bryan Bruce’s blog not only giving the Party a good cover of Social Credit policies but saying that they are worth voting for. Thanks Bryan.
    Having said that :- What became of my original comment? it looks like it has been deleted. This seems to happen to nearly all my comments. Am I correct?

    1. Bonash, Your other comment is in this thread: 26 Days Until the NZ Election . It’s quite a way down.

      Here is a way to keep exact track of your comments:
      As soon as you have clicked “Post Comment” you then go to the link line at the top of the page, where you will see that your comment has an individual number. If you copy and paste that that link immediately (before changing pages) then you have that permanent record of your comment.

  11. Nothing is the same this election, we have a Muldoon type Blue National party, who NZF seems to want to align with. Act who wants to destroy the welfare system, no one seems to apart from labour focus on the now.
    Labour would in any event probably invite the greens into the fold as a type of insurance, even if they don’t need to.
    Top could be a party to surprise and could cause some problems for who ever wins.

  12. I’ve voted Labour for electorate and Green for party for all elections since MMP and see no reason not to do so now. Labour will always play it safe in order to keep power, but I want to see transformative action for the sake of my grandchildren – only Green policies provide that

  13. Thanks to all of you for your comments. You are a high class of reader – not one of the usual nasty swipes that I am the worst blogger in the world. This has made me wonder though about the metrics of voting Green. Bomber, would one of your mates write a considered, data-full blog on whether voting Green (with a pinch of redemption) will honour MMP or be a stupid wasted vote?

  14. The tendency towards majority government and fewer parties in the House is baked into our MMP system.
    1. The 5% threshold is too high – the 2012 commission recommended 4% but that’s not in the interest of Labour or National.
    2. Wasted votes predominantly wind up going to the two big parties – that militates against savvy voters voting for minor parties.

    If you’re a left-leaning voter, then with Labour so far ahead of National you can risk a wasted vote on a minor party as it will mostly get redistributed to Labour. http://www.tiny.cc/WastedVotes

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