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  1. Good post and great to dispel the myth that we need the migrants for their essential skills. Clearly 60% are just being bought in for other reasons, mostly political. And I would dispute many of the occupations on the essential skills anyway like being a Chef.

    Also agree it is not the migrants fault, the fault lies in government policy and the poor employers exploiting this, the developers benefiting from the housing boom, as well as the go between agents with false information and so forth putting in their applications.

    The victims are the migrants being exploited, the Kiwis being exploited and replaced by sweatshop labour and Kiwis expected to pay for it all such as with extra schools, healthcare, infrastructure and so forth.

    In addition it is changing the NZ demographics alarmingly to support very different cultural values and moving us from a social democracy to a users pays, neoliberal model that does not invest in society, rather tries to make a buck off other people’s misfortune.

    1. Another thing it is doing is to kill off the middle class. But that is a whole different issue. In the end there will be only two classes poor and rich. That’s how the elite want it.

  2. So 60% of immigrants applying for residency are not required for their skills but for Govt purposes of driving down wages and increasing unemployment as well as making it harder for families to meet sky-rocketing rents and house prices.

    Why don’t they state their agenda and come clean. Huh?.

    1. That’s not the immigrants purpose but the governments purpose of having those immigrants.

  3. When do we get a big clear picture of that vague creature – ‘the unemployed’? Without the curse of percentages.

    By age group. By gender. By location. By disability. By urban and rural. By province. By training. By education. By previous experience. By incarceration and release – unless that identifies them. By time out of the paid workforce because of bias on the part of employers (older workers particularly).

    And the quality/quantity of retraining being offered, and where. Not education. Retraining for specific work because too many employers won’t/can’t. It will probably raise the standard and performance of local business by many percentage points. It’s decidedly slack and scruffy at present.

    Perhaps we can also decide whether we make particular work streams available as part of OTHER people’s OE and experience. We take it for granted that good ol’ Kiwis can turn up in Europe and other continents and get a job, never mind the locals. Perhaps it’s time our touted and proclaimed generosity made this possible for travellers here.

    1. That’s the plan from this government to keep it vague as possible. You see they need a large pool of unemployed to keep wages and conditions down. So they really don’t want to have any idea and skew stats to Show low unemployment helping to paint a nice but false picture.

  4. IMMIGRATION OF SKILLED WORKERS IS A LIE.

    “Labour is the service being supplied here. Adding supply – particularly supply which is buyable/hirable at a price rather below that which existing supply is available at – drags down the equilibrium price of that labour. In order to remain competitive with those who are willing (or less-willingly forced) to work for lower wages, workers must demand less pay and refrain from attempting to negotiate for pay-increases”

    Very good article Curwyn,

    On planet Key we are all living a lie while they carry out their intended goal of KEY’S GENOCIDE OF KIWS PLAN.

    HE WANT TO BE A RULER OF A COUNTRY HE THINKS HE OWNS WITHOUT KIWIS.

  5. We must remember; Key has record already in the specialty in getting rid of humans.

    John Key did this same method of culling those humans who are not wanted during his former employment.

    That was when Key was employed as “The smiling assassin” in NY, UK, and Australian branches.

    As his job at Merrill Lynch was other than being a currency trader was to fool over 600 in all those branches employee’s, that should feel good about being fired or shown the door then during the late 1980’s and 90’s.

    Now we see he is doing to us now as Kiwis, as he attempts every trick in the book to exterminate us all by lack of a safety net of financial social services and health services so we are dying at ever faster death rates today while he is importing cheap labour foreigner’s to replace us all.

    Result=genocide is his game clearly the tyrant!!!!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key

    “Some co-workers called him “the smiling assassin” for maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking dozens (some say hundreds) of staff after heavy losses from the 1998 Russian financial crisis.”

    In 1998, on learning of his interest in pursuing a political career, the National Party president * JOHN SLATER*

    John Slater began working actively to recruit him.

    Former party leader Jenny Shipley describes him as one of the people she “deliberately sought out and put my head on the line–either privately or publicly–to get them in there”.

    See how he lies about his shares/investments, blind trusts!!!!!!!!! (tax havens) & conservation estate mining/gold.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxRCjwYcc1I

  6. Slightly off topic – If you are a Jobseeker, WINZ will only offer you low-paid low skill jobs, or send you to training for the same. This government should be assisting the retraining of older workers like myself (53) for new skilled jobs. Instead I have returned to Uni part time at my own expense – or rather because my mother died last year and I am using some of my inheritance to upskill in a particular industry. Meanwhile unskilled migrant workers are being exploited to keep wages down and the NZers who are desperate can’t even get these jobs – or the slave-like conditions are simply not acceptable

    1. Good luck Gastarbetter. – I went this way to after permanent injuries on the job at 47yrs old.

      After It’s still hard to get my business going properly though now the economy is flat as a pan.

    2. “Slightly off topic – If you are a Jobseeker, WINZ will only offer you low-paid low skill jobs, or send you to training for the same.”

      That is, because WINZ have since their start only been focusing on the bottom of the barrel of man- and woman-work-power so to say.

      The presumption by governments present and past was, to become unemployed for any medium to longer term, you must be pretty low skilled or not needed on the market full stop. So if that is the case, the ones ending up on benefits should not be “fussy” and get any job they can find for them.

      To keep the statistics look nice, they also want to ensure people stay on benefits as shortly as possible, to creating a churn of sorts, is preferable than “wasting” time and training them with any higher skills, as that takes time and COSTS them.

      The agenda is to apply pressure on all fronts, keep them on their feet, intimidate them, to go and look and take on any job they come across, to fulfill the above goals, i.e. short time on benefits, and not having people get “fussy” and make demands.

      The oppressive system works, sadly, that is why this is, it is of course fully intentional.

      It has got so bad, that WINZ itself has a crap reputation, and employers seeking “qualified” and experience staff would not even bother placing vacancies with them, as they know most on benefits are likely to be those that are considered “low skilled” and “hopeless” for various reasons.

      Hence WINZ do not even get many “qualified” jobs to offer.

  7. Truth is, we have slave workers produce many of the products we use and consume daily, do this off-shore also, and in even worse conditions.

    The high numbers of temporary migrant workers, also students allowed to work part time, are just part of the problem, if we consider them as being a “problem”.

    Somehow we are hypocrites, that is the truth, we use gadgets, we wear clothes, and we use many things all the time, produced by exploited workers in low wage and low condition countries.

    Having them come here is an affront to some of us, as it may remind us of what goes on internationally.

    The whole world is a huge slave house, to be damned honest, and perhaps we need to wide our horizons a bit.

    Migrant labour here picks the fruit our horticulturists grow to sell on the world market, and we compete with producers in other countries, like in the Southern Hemisphere with Chile, Argentina, South Africa and also of course Australia, who ALL use cheap labour for the same kind of work.

    We produce dairy produce for the global market, in our Hemisphere, again, in competition to some other countries, so far we have an advantage, technologically, organisationally and so forth, but others are on our heels, to catch up, and produce the same as good as we can.

    Add forestry, add fisheries, add production of niche products and perhaps also medicines and so, and you will find low wage workers there, rather than many ordinary born and bred Kiwis, as they are taught by their kids, particularly the “whiter ones”, to go and “get ahead” by studying at university, at least at polytechs or so, and thus get into jobs in officers or as technical experts in the field, leaving the “dirtier” and unattractive, repetitive work mostly to migrants.

    Key and Co get away with all this, as the majority of the middle class like to identify with the better off, and the middle class in similar countries, wanting their standard of living and lifestyles, which you can only afford with a university degree, an good trade or by running a successful small to medium size business.

    They have NO damned problem with low wage workers from the Philippines harvest the eggs they buy, milk the milk they buy and sit at the checkouts at the supermarkets. They have no problem with the low paid migrants serve them fancy dishes in restaurants, no questions asked what they earn and how.

    This is the real problem in New Zealand and the world, they also do not really care whether workers at Foxconn in China work 12 hour shifts behind windows with bars, so they do not jump and commit suicide, they have no issues with sweat shop workers stitching their clothes together.

    It is a global problem, and this migrant labour does mostly not take New Zealander’s jobs, as it is doing jobs most Kiwis do not like to do, unless they have to.

    I am sorry to mention this, but we need to think further than just raise this issue about migrants being allowed in, the whole plan we follow is BS and takes us to the cliff eventually.

    Many of the Pasifika people were also brought here in the 1970s to do the “dirty” work, remember, so now we are having the next round of migration for the low paid jobs, the US do it, Australia do it, Canada does it, the UK does it and Europe does it, they are all doing the same.

    That is why so many are not on the required skills list, they are discretely allowed in for the above stated purposes.

    1. Correction:

      ” they are taught by their kids, particularly the “whiter ones”, to go and “get ahead” by studying at university, at least at polytechs or so..”

      is wrong of course, …

      That was meant to say “they are taught by their PARENTS…”, of course.

  8. So here we are talking of persons granted residence status, which is somewhat different a status for those over 200,000 that have over recent times been granted temporary work visas or permits.

    There are of course various reasons why immigrants get granted residency. Some will have come here as partners of New Zealand residents or citizens, some will have come as business investor category migrants, some will perhaps also be refugees that have been accepted as residents, others may already have been here on temporary work permits.

    We should perhaps rather look at those getting work permits or visas, and check, whether they have qualifications that are on the Long term Skill Shortage list.

  9. You are missing the point! And the result is racist crap in the comments – where am I? Whale Oil? Rightwing Resistiance?

    Skilled Migrant Category has a target of 26,000 annually. So they are not even meeting this over a two year period. Meanwhile in the financial year 2015/16, over 200,000 work visas were approved.

    “some 60% are not people whom we vitally need on an economic basis” -what utter nationalist rubbish is this? Stop playing into the hand of the capitalists.

    1. Actually, Peter, Curwen has made some pertinent points and backed it up with data. This isn’t right-wing bigotry because the flood of migrant labour is driving down local wages – something that people who profess to be on the side of workers should be concerned about.

      As for your statement;

      Skilled Migrant Category has a target of 26,000 annually. So they are not even meeting this over a two year period. Meanwhile in the financial year 2015/16, over 200,000 work visas were approved.

      – it would help if you provided references to your figures. Without citation, we have no way of knowing how accurate they are.

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