Hmmm, quick ticks for Bootcamps…
Tick for ‘short’ bootcamp review too soon – children’s commissioner
- The children’s commissioner says an independent evaluation of the government’s military style academies for youth justice offenders is not enough to condone the approach
- Those children and young people have experienced abuse, trauma, and neglect, and a military approach does more harm than good, she says
- The “short, initial evaluation” covered only the three months residential component of the year-long programme
- No evidence internationally or locally that the approach works in the long term, and the government should focus on prevention and rehabilitative programmes.
…while the Government is hiding the actual results…
Transparency Needed On Boot Camps – Labour
The Government is stonewalling requests for information about its boot camps experiment, while pushing ahead with a Bill to enshrine them into law.
“Karen Chhour needs to front up and shed some light on the state of her boot camps experiment,” Willow-Jean Prime said.
“Just a few months ago, the pilot went haywire with cases of reoffending – and since the truth escaped, the Minister has held a tight grip on information that’s released.
“It’s since been alleged that more reoffending has occurred among those in the pilot, and when questioned about this, the Minister wouldn’t deny but still withheld the facts.
“It wasn’t too long ago that Karen Chhour and Christopher Luxon made a big song and dance in announcing their baseless boot camps promise. Yet, now as the experiment falls to pieces – the PM, just like the facts, is nowhere to be seen on this front.
“If the pilot is going well – what is the Minister hiding?
“The only plausible conclusion is that the evidence never mattered to begin with. That this was a pointless tick box exercise to look and sound tough, while they force the Bill through regardless of the outcome.
“We need to know if these tamariki are safe and getting the support they need to return to their communities. If they are, Karen Chhour should have nothing to hide,” Willow-Jean Prime said.
We all know why the Government are hiding the truth of their Boot camps because they are failing!
When Key tried this last, boot camps had a 85% reoffending rate within 5 years.
Under this new boot camp it’s an 80% reoffending rate within 6 months!
Luxon said “I don’t care what you say about whether it does or doesn’t work”, and he’s right, he doesn’t care because National know they whipped up fear of young people committing crimes, weaponised that fear and pretended Boot Camps would work when really all they are giving you was a hollow virtue signal to make you feel like those kids who sacred you were getting a kick in the arse.
That’s all this is, a virtue signal to pretend we are doing something meaningful when it’s a total failure.
This is a joke of a country where our fear is so quickly manipulated by the Right.
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Yes saw the news item. An embarrassment is Abhor Chhour gloating of the individuals she claimed were successes but both her and Clusterfuckson will not tell of the multiple failures including the reopening the escapees and the road death of one of those.
This Coc are so far corrupt they’d sell their grandmother just for power.
Luxon claims he’s doing everything he can to make NZ a better place. He does this by suppressing wages and making cuts to the health sector whilst giving landlords massive rebates.
Hardly surprising record numbers are leaving this country as record high unemployment is a legacy of this CoC.
This govt. is sick in the head but unfortunately so is half of the country. That’s why people are leaving. NZ is turning into a cesspool of Karens and Chads who DGAF and just want to blame the “others”.
Wrong measurement. Useful skills acquired to keep out of trouble, sense of self-respect, able to carry through task to end and tidy up afterwards. Made something that is put away safely so it won’t be damaged accidentally or maliciously. Measure positives not whether something negative happens or not.
But what if the negatives outweigh the positives? Do you simply exalt the positives and ignore the negatives? Maybe this is how the CoC sleeps at night.
It’s simple really, just like Luxon is. He prefers crumbed lamb chops to crumbling kids; birds get the crumbs, dogs the bones, and Chris gets the meat, because after all, he is entitled.
So neat that comment HoV, content all wrapped neatly and can be swallowed in one bite. Even those amongst us who we know are a little bit lacking (Regency phrase ‘queer in their attic;’ used by Georgette Heyer – good eh), can chew on that and understand the process exactly.
Martyn – It is a bit tricky…some of those young people have years of abuse and criminal behavior against them, which sadly has resulted in serious problems for those people…
We, NZ society, need to stand by those young people…but how?
Good question Nathan but one thing we know is the evidence shows boot camps don’t work. I will always take evidence over rhetoric.
Charles – Agreed…but what?
Nathan. Yes. The damage which some children sadly sustain may be irreparable. Cultural differences can be incomprehensible to outsiders, social differences unfathomable. The big thing is having a fair and equitable society where kids are less susceptible to being damaged, and as you say, we need to stand by them meantime. Unless there’s evidence that boot camps actually worsen them, caution probably needs to be exercised when criticising them. If Luxon says that he doesn’t care, he should, but that’s Luxon, not exactly a caring sort of person per se.
Just another fail ,the list is getting longer by the day .
No new ferries
increasing unemployment
falling wages
food prices still increasing
record kiwis leaving
rents not falling even though land lords have had massive tax cuts .
thats enough for today
Yes this government is beyond redemption, that’s obvious.
The list is examples of Luxon’s failures despite Luxon seeing them as successes.
They are experimenting with children, this is not going to end well, another enquiry in the making.
Some people are beyond redemption that’s obvious.
What success rate is acceptable to you?
If these camps deter just one percent from a future life of crime, then it may well be worth it. As for those it doesn’t deter, well, you can lead a donkey to water…
A one percent deterrent rate is not worth it when there are more successful programs the limited funding can be directed at.
Asked multiple times for the rate of reoffending – rather than individual cases – Luxon told reporters he was not “going into individual cases”.
Somebody needs to teach Luxon how to answer questions.
Luxon seems to fear answering question more than the fear of looking stupid