After watching the Trump – Harris live TV debate on Wednesday (Tuesday 10/09/2024 NZ time) and rallies from both of them afterwards and then watching analysis of the debate from American political insiders, pundits and media (of all stars and stripes) my opinion of both of them and of the insiders, pundits, media, and to a large degree the electorate itself, has crystallised and fused into stony derision.
Both congressional caucuses would really prefer someone else to be their candidate, but both parties are forced by circumstance to clutch onto their respective candidates in a fake hug as their credulous sign-toting minions gawp in awe and the 50,000 undecided voters in the half a dozen states (or counties) that will decide the outcome purse their lips, squint, and have yet another go at trying to imagine how their own quality of life will be under the two prospective regimes.
Who do they trust not to fuck it up? At this point – with the polls in the swing states all within the margin or error and the betting markets an even 50-50 – what matters most to those 50,000 will determine the result. Is it pocket book or culture war? Is it personality or policy? These are the arseholes who walk into the ballot booth still pursing their lips and squinting and imagining – knowing only that the hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising that’s been bombarding them means their vote counts enough for them to make the effort to cast it.
He is billed as a grifter, a despot – orange Hitler – the son of a klan-loving New York property tycoon who used his Dad’s inheritance to construct a string of gauche resorts and casinos which he mismanaged time and again into bankruptcy, kept afloat only from dubious credit lines, fraudulently obtained. He was supposed to be a midget-handed, scatter-brained TV-obsessed narcissist, incapable of holding a thought any longer than necessary to figure out how it could relate to himself. He was supposed to be a pussy-grabbing rapist who bullied and berated his way through the Republican primaries shamelessly wrecking the party in the process making it a hollow autocracy. He was supposed to be a Russian stooge who sent love letters to Kim Jong-Un and literally went across to North Korea. His increasingly absent wife clearly despises him. His administration was so chaotic practically no-one who was there will endorse him. And to top off his term when he lost the election of 2020 he encouraged an insurgent mob to storm the Capitol to overturn the certification process and sat with his feet up in the White House with a Diet Coke and KFC and a shit-eating grin on his face as the mob inside smashed their way into the Senate chamber and outside erected gallows to hang his own Vice President – telling them they were beautiful and to go home only after the coup had failed. His egotism is so rank he has never repudiated any of the litany of moronic statements defying belief that he has made as President or since. His multiple indictments and convictions for a multitude of felonies grows by the week. He is so loathed – the public so unsympathetic – that even when he was shot in the head in an assassination attempt there was virtually no measurable fillip at all in his polling despite his fighting response and easily one of the most iconic images so far of the 21st century.
She is billed as a flake, an airhead – cackling Kamala – the daughter of a Marxist economist who slept her way through the California Democratic machine to ride into the White House as a diversity hire on the tails of the ultimate corrupt establishment figure, the ancient, demented, crooked Joe Biden. She was supposed to be anaemic on ideas, allergic to policy and the Archilles heel of immigration. She was supposed to be the light weight to Biden’s heavyweight: a grinning, giggling, brainless brown barbie doll, tossing word salads of tautologies and pseudo-ontology to the rapturous wonder of her feckless, foolish female acolytes. She was supposed to have no chance against a seasoned politician. When old sleepy Joe did an entire live presidential TV debate in a semi-comatose state so stricken he looked like he was coming towards the light and the calls were being made that night to dump him she wasn’t even in the conversation. For a fortnight after that, as the Palace coup was plotted, she was on the radar merely by default. When Biden put out his suspicious official retirement letter (sans letterhead) he didn’t even mention her existence. The Obamas kept schtum on her too. The Dem bigwigs were toying with an open convention canvassing every other name but hers. She was supposed to go back home to her Brentwood mansion with her Jewish L.A. lawyer husband and endorse whatever candidate Pelosi and her Jewish D.C. politicians would anoint on behalf of AIPAC. That was what she was supposed to do, because evidently to all her colleagues – the people that know her best – she is a flake, an airhead… unelectable.
That is what they were billed as and what they were supposed to be according to their critics, some of their supporters and, largely if not entirely, according to the evidence. However, the American voter, and in particular those 50,000, have no other viable choice but those two characters with their two miserable, scratched records. Add Hillbilly Theil-tied JD “Couch” Vance and Assistant Coach “Tampon” Tim Walz to the equation as their respective running mates and the sum is still a fraction. To put it in that pretentious faux-philosophic Kamala-speak: they are everything in the present that they were in the past unburdened by their promises of what is yet to be.
Which logically brings us to Haitians in Springfield eating people’s cats and dogs.
Donald Trump was swerving wildly in his debate with Kamala Harris. He doesn’t respect her in the same way he respected Hillary Clinton or else he would have stuck to the script and not been drawn into the obvious baiting she threw out. Fortunately for him his supporters are so uncritical when he crashed in a ditch most of them were prepared to go along with the line he had just parked creatively – even if they knew better. His critiques were inchoate and lost in the lane-changing and manic manoeuvrings of his stream of unconsciousness so she slipped through unscathed and emboldened. Her supporters are equally uncritical, so their gushing would have been at Niagara-level regardless, but it was – for the first time – justified. She most definitely had a script and she, very wisely, didn’t budge from it. Her well-honed jibes triggered shouty replies as if on cue. With mics muted her rehearsed face-pulling at him was designed to agitate, but very wisely, he had rehearsed ignoring it. The split screen made her exaggerated expressions appear redolent of Hillary’s irksome condescension and the visage of the sneering Washington elite crept into mind. The bottom line of the exercise – given she was the one introducing herself to the electorate whereas his expectations were already set at a threshold of near lunacy – was for her to look and sound presidential. And she did. Not a great deal of detail or convincing answers exactly, but a presidential vibe it was. Enough for the 50,000 to take her seriously and want to know more – and the TV network focus groups thought as much in their discussions straight afterwards. And he was near lunacy – which was indeed his anticipated baseline. But the one take-away (and I do mean takeaway) from the debate was Trump’s controversial excursion into an unsympathetic examination of Afro-Caribbean cuisine.
The timing of his inflammatory comment may have been random – apropos of nothing she had stated – but given the moderator was ready with a “fact-check” it does suggest it was a known campaign talking point (from JD Vance as it happened). The spectre of unemployed Haitian barbecue aficionados roaming the streets of Springfield for stray pets may sound absurd, but the racist and anti-immigrant message must surely resonate in communities besieged by the wave, or tsunami, of illegal migrants who have poured across the Southern border under the Biden-Harris administration. The politicisation of cultural differences and social friction is hardly new, but Trump’s distasteful treatment of it as raw meat (if you will excuse the expression) to voters is exceptional. All he needs is one instance of that from any non-white person anywhere in the country and he can claim validation. The bigots who might be on the fence or typically non-voters will have swallowed it (excuse me once again) already, but a single documented occurrence will blunt the condemnation and I would not be surprised if that happens and teflon Don slips through again in the minds of the uninformed. There are so many people who want to believe the worst even without evidence and too many willing to forgive the outburst as an archetypical foible.
As for the impact of the debate – beyond establishing Harris’s credentials and Trump’s credulity – this will be seen not so much in the media prognostications but on social media which has overwhelmed mainstream media now to the extent that the micro pieces of the debate in circulation on the socials in aggregate will eclipse the viewership of the live TV debate or the replays of the whole debate. The consequence of this drastically edited redistribution plays better to Trump in my assessment. His angry, combative rebukes package well as short clips and I think his responses are calibrated deliberately with just that in view. Sure, Harris’s clips would play well to her supporters but they won’t quite have the punchy energy that Trump can dish out that cuts through to a disengaged voter scrolling through the endless material the algorithms are delivering. The inattentive voter watching only social media would be left with a far more favourable impression of Trump than he deserves. There’s murmurings of a second debate, but I think Harris should just take the win and not give Trump the chance of redemption because if there is anyone who could turn it around it’s him.
I recommend you ignore the polls because they can so easily be manipulated. Remember that Hillary was a country mile ahead in the polls in 2016 only to see Trump romp home with an easy win.
I’ll stick my neck out now and call it for Trump.
I’d agree that Trump will win, but having witnessed “polling irregularities” in every US election for half a century who knows? What I can state is that Kamala as candidate for the “establishment” aka oligarchy MIC “deep state” will be given every “assistance”.
Trump by contrast as candidate for “not the establishment ” will have to win “bigly” in order to avoid electoral theft. This will get very messy, maybe even get to civil disobedience from whoever loses.
You neglect to mention that the electoral college and voter enrollment issues all favor Trump so the idea that Trump could ever win “bigly” considering that he has never won the popular vote seems farfetched. Hopefully he survives till November as his luck in only getting poor shots upset enough with him might run out.
Thank you Bonnie.
100% Nick.
I am quite hopeful this time because the Democrats won’t have mail out ballots to manipulate and the Republicans have at last woken up and organised an army of scrutineers to minimise fraud.
There it is Andrew down the rabbit hole. Trump appointed judges found no evidence of ballots being manipulated and no fraud, period. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew even most Republicans rebuked the idiot Trump, sadly deranged conspiracy theorists like you Andrew are allowed a voice.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/9/12/trumps-false-voter-fraud-claims-set-stage-for-turmoil
Andrew…
Kool-Aid fans, here’s a brief summary of the Trump administration so you can gloat on “the Donald’s” accomplishments:
1) Trump’s cabinet appointees and key advisors were an endless chorus of musical chairs. There’s never been another administration in which leadership positions were so predictably vacated. The delusional Sen. Mike Lee may say that a vote for Biden is a vote for chaos and that a vote for Trump supports law and order, but even a school child can see it’s just the opposite.
2) Promising a much-needed tax-cut, Trump made sure that big business got a windfall and that his personal finances would enjoy multi-million-dollar gains. That tax cut was far from providential. It facilitated the proliferation of more billionaires, allowed the mega-corporations enormous untaxed profits, helped create an extra $7 trillion in national debt and bolstered the gap between the haves and have-nots. The worst part: The Trump tax cut made it impossible for the U.S. to have sufficient revenue to continue funding the government and, in the end, it may well be the beginning of a Social Security and Medicare disaster.
3) Trump’s preference for white people was clearly not something God gave him. He attracted the support of white supremacist groups, simply because he was and is one of them. He held only contempt for the “shit countries” of the world with their “rapists and murderers.”
4) He turned the Justice Department into part of the executive branch, defying the most basic premises of the U.S. Constitution in its demands for distinct separation of powers. The use of DOJ leadership was employed to steer valid investigations into the dead-letter file, and he has vowed that, in a second term, he will employ the DOJ to destroy his enemies and detractors.
5) He started to build a border wall but failed to get the Mexican government to pay for it. In the end, his administration was successful in curbing legal immigration but did nothing to slow the flow of undocumented arrivals.
6) His promises to revive America’s rust-belt industrial areas were a failure, and he managed to see economic slowing, even before the COVID pandemic. So, do you still think that there’s a reason to praise Trump for his last presidency? If you do, I think you’re one of the faithful who will be drinking that refreshing Kool-Aid.
Nat, time for all-sorts here to get over themselves re their hatred of Trump or Kamala. Seems reality takes a distant second place to preferences and wishes. Theres a hell of a lot I don’t like, reality however has to be faced.
Clinton spent almost no time in the crucial marginal states. Harris is doing her best to stroke them.
Did the debate change any minds? I doubt it.
Then you are a very poor judge because it has.
Martyn – Trump is going to win due to the following reasons:
1. Many Democrats, especially in the swing States, are not going to vote as a form of protest against Harris
2. Kamala Harris came across as toxic in the debate…those facial expressions, and tone of voice
3. Trump voters are still going to vote for him regardless
Your no.2 is an assumption and personal opinion only, alongside your own polital leanings.. Others saw her performance as a strength and her facial expressions being a natural disbelief of the diatribe of lies and idiocy coming from cats and dogs Trump.
Corrupt Gnat – and yet other people noted this was well that Harris is a toxic person and her performance proved this
Thanks Nathan and yet other people noted the opposite to what you say, that she is a lady of integrity, class and humility and her performance undoubtedly proved this.
Corrupt Gnat – I disagree with your statement on her integrity, class, and humility…and a lot, and I mean a lot, of her former staff feel the same way.
More don’t and I mean a lot more don’t feel the same way however and that’s a fact and disagree all you want Nathan because the world and it’s leaders and their thoughts on Jacinda hold more credibility than a disgruntled right wing supporter.
I am intrigued however now, which former staff of Jacinda’s disagree and please don’t generalise, names please and also what other people noticed Kamala as being a toxic person and her performance proved this? Your generalisation without evidence means your comment lacks substance.
And no Ian Lees Galloway doesn’t count as he was fired by Ardern and had a grudge.
I will prove my point…
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/01/jacinda-ardern-one-of-the-most-respected-political-leaders-in-the-world-says-alistair-campbell.htm
https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/blog/jacinda-ardern-legacy-leader-new-zealand-and-beyond
Trump is using Obama’s theory of stray voltage:
It is the brainchild of former White House Senior Adviser David Plouffe, whose methods loom large long after his departure. The theory goes like this: Controversy sparks attention, attention provokes conversation, and conversation embeds previously unknown or marginalized ideas in the public consciousness.
The really good news for Harris is that Dick Cheney has endorsed her. Ya’ll remember him, right?
…and Putin. Don’t forget Putin.
Dick Cheney. Master Troll.
“I could endorse Harris. That will be a laugh. Imagine Jon Stewarts face!”
Great article.
From grabbing pussy to defending pussy in just eight years. Looks like being President really does make one into a better person.
Dick cheney is supporting harris…! ? What THE fuck!
rnz.
Republican former VP Dick Cheney says he will vote for Kamala Harris
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/527321/republican-former-vp-dick-cheney-says-he-will-vote-for-kamala-harris
But he’s the dick who’s a part of the dick, don and george crime scene. The same murderous pantomime that slaughtered in the name of oil. I want trump. At least he’s mad and we know it but is he evil like dick, don and george? I honestly don’t believe trump could be a cold hearted killer. But you read then you decide.
Dick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
Don.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld
George
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
You seen this?
The Green Zone.
Starring Mat Damon!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Zone_(film)
Green Zone is a 2010 British action thriller film[2] directed by Paul Greengrass and written by Brian Helgeland, based on the 2006 non-fiction book Imperial Life in the Emerald City by journalist Rajiv Chandrasekaran. The book documented life within the Green Zone in Baghdad during the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[3]
It’s all you really need to know that Harris is a “Deep State” plant. Remember she got exactly zero votes from the Democratic voters to be the candidate, while Biden got millions (but was clearly forced out by the Democrat elites, e.g. Pelosi and Obama to name two). So much for the party supposedly protecting US democracy.
One more thing…
Watch this if you haven’t already. I always think it’s interesting that sometimes writers turn to fiction to write their observations on reality. I mean, what the fuck are people thinking…!
Film.
‘Vice’.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_(2018_film)
” Vice is a 2018 American biographical political satire black comedy film directed, written, and produced by Adam McKay. The cast of this film include Christian Bale as former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, with Amy Adams, Steve Carell, Sam Rockwell, Justin Kirk, Tyler Perry, Alison Pill, Lily Rabe, and Jesse Plemons in supporting roles. The film follows Cheney on his path to becoming the most powerful vice president in American history. ”
Now, since that old psycho creep’s endorsing harris in the U$A, where voting ISN’T mandated like here by the way, you may as well vote for Christian Bale’s other character who’s as equally representative of a certain level of U$A culture. Greed.
American Psycho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psycho_(film)
American Psycho is a 2000 satirical horror film directed by Mary Harron, who co-wrote the screenplay with Guinevere Turner. Based on the 1991 novel by Bret Easton Ellis, it stars Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman, a New York City investment banker who apparently leads a double life as a serial killer. Willem Dafoe, Jared Leto, Josh Lucas, Chloë Sevigny, Samantha Mathis, Cara Seymour, Justin Theroux, and Reese Witherspoon appear in supporting roles. The film blends horror and black comedy to satirize 1980s yuppie culture and consumerism, exemplified by Bateman.
“..in the U$A, where voting ISN’T mandated like here by the way, ..”
Voting isn’t mandated here, but we are supposed to be on the electoral roll.
Thanks for your article Tim. I think your namesake (T Walz) has voiced the word that describes (more than he intended) things – weird.
Cats and dogs and the Taytay effect…
‘So what’ Trump, you mean? He said that when told the mob were out for his VPs blood with a hangman’s noose, at the ACTUAL time Pense was literally just rescued from the mob. Not a cold hearted killer? He even boasted that he could kill someone and no one would care. Trump would be the coldest of the cold hearted killers, and probably is one, mobster that he is.
Democracy in America has come to epitomise H. L. Mencken’s definition of democracy; “a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance”.
So the answer is rule by few over the majority?
Blah blah.
Only one candidate is obviously insane.
So Democrats were saying in Jan 2020 when Trump wanted to close the borders.
I’m not a fan of Harris or Trump but think Trump will win because the United States is not ready for a “woman of colour.”
You mean you’re not ready for a woman of colour you fence sitting piece of crow poop
I’m rather fond of crows they are cheeky fellows.
Did you know the Aboriginal word for crow is wagga as in the Australian town of Wagga Wagga.
There are no plurals in the Aboriginal language hence Wagga Wagga meaning many crows.
Jim Crow you maga wagga
Why would the home of The American Dream, opportunity for all, entrepreneurship, work ethic and achievement based on merit want yet another diversity hire? At least Clinton earned her right to be Madame President.
What the f’k did Trump work for? Inherited shit loads and went bankrupt how many times? I am sure Harris has worked a lot harder than that orange dickhead.
Trump won’t win because he is a narcissistic sexual predator that induces violence.
The United States is not ready for anyone with little respect for others. He’s your type of man Bob the bullshitter.
2.5 minutes of Democrats advocating violence
“Fight like hell” and “I will never surrender ”
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/15/trump-shooting-email-never-surrender-fundraising
Trump backed Elon Musk site X.
Holy fuck Xenophobe you may as well have used Fox News!!!
I think the democrats will be hoping beyond belief that nothing happens to Trump because Kamala is so bad he’s about the only person she can beat, and that says as much about Trump than it does about her.
If he was too be replaced by nearly anybody, there’s no way she’d win.
I’m still picking a Harris victory, and a her to do zero press stand ups or interviews (not from CNN) in four years. The elites cannot have her going off script, and in saying that she’ll have about as much power in the Oval Office as the gardener. Just as now she’s being told to ‘shut up and do as we tell you’ her entire presidency will be the same.
Stick to Fox News Bg for truth social if you don’t believe CNN to be truthful or as Trump would tell you and you will believe him” anyone but Fox News is biased”
FYI it’s not that Trumps bad, it’s that he is not a politician, he’s a gimmick, a sexual fiend, narcissist, deceitful corrupt, unfaithful, oh I need to stop or I’ll be here all day.
Kamala is the opposite of everything you opine about her and the hard right Fox News is most certainly not a media platform for her given Fox News history and multi million dollar payouts for slander.
Do you actually know anything about her? How much is based on any idea rather than the likes of Megan, I’ll blow Roger Ailes for a car park, Kelly talking rubbish.
I am sure she has her issues but compared to that complete wanker she’s a godsend
Trump will win despite being utterly offensive. That’s because Harris is so utterly vacant, so dumb, it’s hard to describe. USA politics is so fucked up.
“Harris is so utterly vacant, so dumb,”
Another stupid childish comment give her education.
Stick to your Warehouse job Saur Kraut.
The only thing stopping Trump from going to prison is if he wins and.he will pardon himself of which will confirm how corrupt he is.
Jesus Christ, did you see the debate? This is Bullshit stereotyping of the worst sort. No one gets to her position if they are dumb. And if she is dumb, Christ – Trump is worse than a box of rocks.
Another hired actor assasin but this time they fucked up by not killing him .So I would not expect him to go on trial till after the election then he will quietly vanish and never be heard of again .Cant have him telling the world he was a hired poor shot .
Absolutely, done to create a sympathy vote for Trump as he is behind in the polls. Trump wasn’t even scheduled to be playing golf there so why was the guy ” hiding” in the golf course bushes?
When you have villains like Cheyney coming out to endorse your candidacy then you’re supping from the devil’s spoon.
When you have villains like Cheyney coming out to endorse your candidacy then you’re supping from the devil’s spoon.
1. The bookies have Harris ahead.
2. The polls are moving harasses way.
3. She has the abortion issue. I suspect a lot of women will say they will vote for Trump but secretly vote for Harris.
4. Trump has annoyed Taylor Swift fans. More than 400,000 of them enrolled to vote after she endorsed Harris.
You know what, it’s close but I’m calling it for Harris. If she doesn’t when it’s because the Republicans have managed to suppress enough Democratic voters to skew it Trump’s way. They are pretty good at that. There are also other spoiler tactics going on apparently they are putting up “third-party” candidates in marginal seats. But I still think the momentum is Harris’ way.
In fact, the Reuters poll now has Harris leading Trump by five points – with a margin of error of three. Obviously the vagaries of the US system could focus up, but it’s hopeful.
Also:
https://www.alternet.org/landslide-harris-win/