Oh FFS…
Should security guards be able to detain people committing crimes?
Security guards need legal powers to detain offenders while committing a crime, an industry group says.
No. No. No.
We all feel angry and righteously aggrieved that some dick head gang member coming off a week long meth bender killed an innocent person on Ponsonby Rd, but the solution here isn’t giving bouncers, security guards or supermarket staff the power to arrest people for Christ’s sake!
Arresting another human being is a specialised job given to the Police with all the necessary legal rights and safeguards attached.
Are you seriously suggesting we get the kind of security staff we see at supermarkets, Bars and Gigs engage in physical arrests?
That is a recipe for someone having their head smashed on the bloody ground and killed you muppets!
Why are you so easy to emotionally manipulate NZ and you who do you always choose the dumbest solutions because you are frightened?
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Again why is it allowed for security guards to crash tackle someone running across a sports field but they can’t lay a finger on someone in a mall? Or is it not okay but the person being driven into the ground never takes action?
Hopefully this will never be government policy.
Ennius. Incidents at a local shopping precinct include a security guard asking an elderly transgender neighbour, in public, why he/she wears women’s clothes, and a security guard rifling through bags of dumped op shop donations and photographing the contents.
Wow, we agree on something!
There are already grounds for citizen’s arrest in NZ – As a general rule the offences for which one is likely to make a citizen’s arrest will be of a more serious nature, including murder, serious assault, drug offences, sex offences, breaking and entering, fraud and theft. https://www.howtolaw.co/make-a-citizens-arrest-392146#:~:text=As%20a%20general%20rule%20the,and%20entering%2C%20fraud%20and%20theft. – so there is no need for anyone else to have the power to arrest. End of story.
However anyone attempting a “citizens arrest” should seriously consider their own safety and have good resources available should subsequent legal representation be required.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132950668/media-boss-performs-citizens-arrest-of-shoplifter-in-cbd-supermarket
Every single one of us has the right to make a citizen’s arrest. Few exercise it. Expecting security guards to routinely, puts the guards at risk.Many are new immigrants from a very different culture or maybe young grads, hoping that it will lead to better work. Without the rigorous training or basic intelligence which police officers have, the potential to exacerbate situations is enormous.
Just look at what Trevor Mallard did at the Parliament grounds occupation. That resulted in widespread injuries and big tax payer costs. But Trevor was safe up on a balcony, not on the ground where the action was and at risk of getting bopped himself. That sort of havoc played out around malls, banks, pubs, or WINZ offices, would put too many innocent people’s well being at risk. It’s bad enough having Paula in charge of Pharmac.
Bouncers look like people chosen for their brawn rather than their brains and extending power to them, especially in dealing with inebriates, is foolhardy, and makes their own jobs too dangerous. Better to pay the police properly and perhaps deter them from leaving for better places.
As someone who used to work as a door man in inner city clubs… this is as stupid a idea you could have. What happens when someone who is in an arm lock breaks their own arm or wrist? What happens if they grab the wrong person?
Legalising vigilantism is a libertarian answer to crime, and it is fucking idiotic.
Security guards can just make a citizen arrest, or if they really really can’t live without the sirens and flashing lights then join the police academy. If they will have them.
and batons and pepper spray!
Make my fucking day!
Based on the lack of professionalism I have encountered from the NZ Police Force, I would gladly support private entities being given the same legal rights to not only detain and arrest person but also carry and utilize the full spectrum of Police tools from batons, peper spray, tasers and firearms.
And I would be willing to pay directly for this service for guaranteed response times which the NZ Police have failed to control.
Sure. All those low wage imports, paid rubbish in the private sector, would make awesome upholders of the law. Jesus wept
what a fucken joke .We cat retain trained police and correction staff so we will the next plane load of Indians that arrive to start arresting people next week, because they have a work permit and are easy targets that can be shipped back home if they fuck up .
Sounds like a good idea, we should try this first with Tiny Deane’s security company in Rotorua that the government have let him get away with keeping running despite telling him he has to sell because he can’t employ patched gang members as security guards for more than two yeras.
Yes, we have and are, wearing patch policy, its budget sensitive, and will be around July, we will implement. The other day all these bike riding patch wearing gansters attended a deranged killers members funeral. What we, hard on crime get, four BBBBBikes confiscated and arrest of few, for outstanding not attendance warrants that the court declared.He!, Joe, ninties yous you and your battery power is running out of control.
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