Wait, wait, wait, what?
Let me get this straight.
Free Speech champion Winston Peters changes tune once he hears a Haka he doesn’t like?
What an easily triggered snowflake!
Isn’t it funny how all those right wing free speech champions are all about the free speech right up until they hear something they don’t like!
Look at this…
…criticise Israel’s ethnic cleansing war crime and you get labelled ‘anti-semetic’ from the very same people who pretend to champion free speech!
The Right have weaponised Free Speech to control what can be talked about and what can’t be talked about, it is just another leash of control, no where better exemplified than in the Free Speech Union…
…the Right are hypocrites when it comes to Free Speech, they are not champions of it.
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Who cares what that anti Maori ,Maori thinks .Full marks to those ladies for saying it how it is ,the government are red necks
@ gordon walker – Yes, I agree. I say good on the team for their haka. Through the haka, they spoke the truth and they have a right to speak the truth. They were not bringing politics into sport. They simply told it as it was and I support them 100%. Maori and Pasifika have very quickly and yet again been demonised and side-lined by this trumpesque-like government and this team of brave warriors told it like it is.
Anyway, what is so political about a sports team saying the government is red-neck?
Gloriously, “freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.”
Exactly. I wonder when Peters and Seymour are going to get over their anger at the world and get on with displaying the maturity we deserve of senior politicians.
I saw Winston on TV last night and he came across as desperately angry because someone asked him a civil question.
I too agree these ladies deserve credit for having the guts to take the opportunity to publically and collectively express their opinion. They have certainly achieved the objective.
If Winston hadn’t reacted like a rejected school boy we wouldn’t be having this discussion. His fault that he cannot accept that Maori ( because that’s what most of these girls identify as) don’t think the sun shines out of his arse.
Go Winston. Girls should not be weaponising sport, it’s totally inappropriate. If NZ Opera rewrote lyrics to suit themselves, or Creative NZ declared Wm Shakespeare to be an imperialist colonialist hack, I’d expect half-decent politicians to suggest that they zip it and focus on what they’re meant to be doing. Those bulging-eyed girls looked disgusting anyway, and I don’t know why they even play rugby, which is dirty and rough, concusses, and leads to brain damage and broken finger nails.
So you are advocating for censorship?
The end of your post kind of gave it away. Maybe they should get back in the kitchen.
Wheel. It’s like this. Blokes do get concussed and brain damaged playing football, and it’s now linked to early dementia too. I wouldn’t want to see it happening to the ladies as well. We’re the ones who launder the dirty shorts, accompany them to A&E with their nose and rib breaks, then whip up a feed after ferrying them staunchly groaning home. They need us.
sw the right wing snowflakes have ‘politicised’ sport as much as any woke group..it goes all the way back to the moscow olympics
Gagarin Politicising sport is lousy psychology, locally. They could do come on and perform something like the ‘Dance of the Little Swans’ and distract and disarm the other side, then swoop in after that ovum- shaped ball. But oops, Tchaikovsky was a Russian.
A poetry reading could be quite nice too. There was a lot more to Matthew Arnold than the playing fields of rugby. His ‘Dover Beach’ is one of my favourite poems and totally socially applicable now. He also worked as an inspector of schools, and
our kids could also do with one or two of them. But oops, he was a Pom. But I’m not really into sport.
You don’t get much more colonial than playing the sport of rugby.
And females doing the haka? Is that traditional?
Make up your own mind on the mangled mess of cultural appropriation and distortion on display, why not alienate half the population with an irrelevant political opinion as well.
Munters.
Its called subculture very NZ these days and common.
Yes, women do traditionally do haka.
The haka women do have significant differences from male haka: e.g. the women don’t do tongue waggling or bent at the knees thigh slapping, and the women stand more upright with feet less wide apart and lift their lips and turn down the sides of their mouths.
the women’s facial movement is like this:
https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/sarah-hirini-of-new-zealand-performs-the-haka-following-an-news-photo/1143372122
Satire, Snow White, right? Please tell me your post is satire.
Snow White – So, are you saying that only males should weaponise sport because the All Blacks haka and its associated actions is essentially a war-cry challenge and is therefore weaponising sport and no-one complains about that.
Also, if you look at any haka either by a female group or a male group or a combined female and male group, what you call bulging eyes is a common feature and in my opinion is very wonderfully dramatic. It is not disgusting at all.
Having said all that, I have just re-read your comment and your last sentence suggests that your comment is really in support of these young women and that you were simply offering some wonderful satire in support of them and their comment about the red-neck government, which it certainly is.
“Girls”? Is this an under sixteen team or something? Oh well, in your defence I suppose boys will be boys.
If you haven’t realized Rugby is the National sport of NZ and the haka is part of that nationalistic feature.
Your name says it all really. Funny though that you seem to think a old Maori hating bloke who claims to be Maori is just the bees knees.
Do you think he and you would take your current position if the haka had been criticising the Maori Party, the Greens or Labour. Of course you wouldn’t you fuckwit
It’s fascinating. You should see them on MSN complaining about censorship there. It doesn’t matter to them apparently, that MSN as a private company is allowed to censor people for any reason or no reason. Because forced speech might well lose them money – as in having your advertising next to Nazis. But apparently that doesn’t matter. Which is a bit weird for conservatives who support business allegedly. I haven’t looked at MSN this morning but I bet it’s full of people whining about how the team should be disciplined. Not a word about freedom of speech I bet.
Free speech isn’t consequence-free speech.
The team is free to say whatever it likes but can’t complain when others respond and stop supporting it financially or in other ways.
Have they complained?
Would have more respect for their position if they had won.
They lost.
Jack It’s not the winning that counts, it’s how the game was played…. Those females were culturally appropriating males and it didn’t work out, so maybe not such a good idea. We saw it with men in frocks running all over Auckland last year, and that didn’t work out very well either…except in the mind of Marama…
Were you in the porn video Shane Jones watched Annie?
Dumping on Marama is so ignorant.
So in your eyes just a bunch of “losers” !
So winning a game of rugby determines if a view deserves respect? Others in the conservative team say that politics should be kept out of sport so you are not a very good team player with your divisive view.
Its a bit like when sporting teams are racist sledgers and get beaten. The victors have the last laugh.
Anything to point the finger at the brown people to distract the population on what this government wants to unleashes on the sheeples sleepwalking our country into austerity measures and selling our country assets from under our noses. What do Rishi Sunak, Javier Milei, David Seymour have in common?
Atlas Network!!
The sheeples comment placed you well
And you being ram rodgered jack placed you well.
As I’ve written.
Winston Peters is a Machiavellian confederate running defence for the stunted maggot roger douglas who’s still to be found, hanging upside down in seymour’s wardrobe. No disrespect to actual stunted maggots intended.
This entire political charade is merely a stage production to distract from where our money’s earned then where it goes to and I can tell you for certain, it ain’t back to where it came from in the first place. Aye Auckland? Aye you 14 multi-billionaires, you 3118 multimillionaires and you dodgy fuckers in the four now foreign owned banks and all you other parasitic fuckers who now own and profit from what was once publicly owned assets.
Free speech is only free for the rich the poor have to shut up, only to be seen but not heard the loudest voice and protests is always those with the most money, resources and power in this country. So, does this mean no funding for anyone that criticises our new government, this is an abuse of power.
These creeps in power have no problem with Posie parkit coming here spreading her vile shite.
They should concentrate on passing, catching , tackling and scoring tries
At the moment if Scots college 2nd 15 played them it would be a massacre
Trying to set up the Maori version of Les Miserables doesn’t compensate
I hate to agree with Joanne Kidman on anything, so I’ll just make the point that it would be more appropriate to call the ACT Party a ‘child rape cult’ than a ‘death cult’, but they are that too.
The director did not say the government was a death cult.
The sooner the Act literacy improvements kick in the better.
Joanna Kidman asked a question. The right wing doesn’t like questions. If you are going to be telling tell me what Kidman said I guess you’re happy me having a campaign translating and publishing what Act says? In exactly the words I want?
Indeed, Peter, Joanna Kidman asked a question. Yet, they still came down on her.
The right to question is just as important as the right to free speech.
Voters that support free speech and the right to question will start turning on them.
Unfortunately, the opposition (Greens and Labour) also have no credibility when it comes to supporting free speech. Leaving voters with little alternative.
Unfortunately, the opposition (Greens and Labour) also have no credibility when it comes to supporting free speech. Leaving voters with little alternative.
The Chairman
> Peter, Joanna Kidman asked a question. Yet, they still came down on her.
A rhetorical question is a statement. We don’t need to split hairs to point out that calling for people to be sacked for saying things you don’t like, is exactly the kind of censorious bullshit they’ve spent years demonising “the Woke” for.
One thing that worries me is that because most of the left have failed to mount a principled defence of freedom of expression, if the right do start sacking people for criticising them, they have a buffet of liberal apologetics they can use to justify what they’re doing as non-partisan.
The Chairman:
> Peter, Joanna Kidman asked a question. Yet, they still came down on her.
A rhetorical question is a statement. We don’t need to split hairs to point out that calling for people to be sacked for saying things you don’t like, is exactly the kind of censorious bullshit they’ve spent years demonising “the Woke” for.
One thing that worries me is that because most of the left have failed to mount a principled defence of freedom of expression, if the right do start sacking people for criticising them, they have a buffet of liberal apologetics they can use to justify what they’re doing as non-partisan.
Rugby at various levels has embraced the “Harker”, actually said ‘Haka’ with short a’s, no macrons, as a cute clip on. The thing is Haka regularly contain challenges and the admins and racists will have to get used to it.
The same bullshit from 1981.
Sports people and teams are not allowed any anti conservative freedom of speech.
The old keep politics out of sport crap.
Go Ladies “Bend the Knee” and call it out for what it is.
I support you one 100% .
how was the moscow olympics ban anti right geoff????
I watched the match with the Poua haka.It was an awesome haka.
Their opponents, Chiefs Manawa will be a hard team to beat this year. They have loads of top level Black Ferns players compared with very few and a lot of younger, less experienced players in the Poua. Many Hurricanes Poua players will likely be top notch players in the future.
The ladies have nothing to apologise for. Peters and Seymour have pretty much proved that they are what the ladies said they were.
Well worth a read:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/attention-rugby-do-you-want-maori-or-just-their-haka-alice-soper/6FK3RGCI3NBLBCN2YPU27KWVLY/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby/hurricanes-poua-haka-challenges-shakes-super-rugby-aupiki-liam-napier/YXPNBTBQYRHWXBKWKIG5DMADCY/
I just want to see full stadiums at woman’s rugby and the players paid more.
That haka won’t help.
In your opinion however the Haka is appreciated world wide pakeha New Zealanders get all KKK when challenged about their privileges in our society.
Neither will Seymours take on TVNZs demise. He is a disgrace and needs to resign.
Correct. It didn’t do Women’s rugby any favours.
¹Neither did Shane Jones attack and given his history of tax payers porn videos I guess you hold different standards for your own jack
And affects the male game. The male game has to subsidize the female game because no one watches it, soon both will fail
So if some guy ran on the field and punched them a few times, breaking their cheekbone…all good, free speech, diversion?
The right love cancel culture when they’re the ones doing it