Jo Cribb from Mind The Gap NZ urges Chris Hipkins’ Government to introduce pay transparency
Jo Cribb from Mind The Gap NZ is preemptively thanking Prime Minister Chris Hipkins for implementing pay transparency, a cause she says the research has already confirmed is necessary.
While Hipkins hasn’t done anything yet, Cribb told Simon Shepherd on Newshub Nation that the Prime Minister “can do something in the next couple of weeks and months”.
“That’s why we’re asking New Zealanders to thank him for being a hero.”
There has already been a parliamentary Select Committee which came out in strong support of pay transparency, and Cribb said they “came out very strongly saying ‘just do it'”.
“The Government committed to all of the recommendations from that committee,” Cribb said.
A Bill is expected in the House before the end of Labour’s current term, and with time running out, she said “we need to just do it now”.
“We know they’ve done the work, Chris has to push play,” she said.
Ok, first of all, how Wellington is that advert?
So awfully Wellington.
God it hurts to watch it.
Secondly, Chippy would be nuts to push this through before the election.
Marama Davidson just declared a woke culture war on White Cis Males, telling them that the last bit of their masculinity that they take any sense of pride in (the money they earn to provide) must now be exposed to everyone at their work is a kick in the balls that they will fucking hate.
Closing the Gap is about middle class tertiary educated women getting more at a management level, it’s not the great leveller of worker consciousness.
Enact this before the election and it will become a culture war meme.
The Greens have already alienated a vast chunk of the white cis male voters, telling them that they must now also have their wages exposed is political suicide.
Pass it after the election Chippy.
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He can’t pass it after the election! He won’t be PM any longer to do anything. What now ey? Easy, let’s fuck up NZ good and proper as they head towards defeat. That’ll give the country something to remember Labour and the Greens by. Mind you, that slithering Michael Woods yesterday blamed the ferry problems on…wait for it…here it comes….”the previous govt.” Can’t wait for our turn to spend the next 6 or 9 years going on about “the previous govt.”
Snore
I think Woods was asked to relax the immigration rules to allow the necessary engineers, etc in that are needed to maintain the operation of the ferries. But, yes, rather than say he would consider such a move, blames past governments. As for National are Squeaky Clean, consider that your response was puerile…..
“Can’t wait for our turn to spend the next 6 or 9 years going on about “the previous govt”.. Which, of course was all the key government ever did… This only works when the majority of the population have been dumbed down to the point when two weeks is “forever”, and the laws of cause and effect work instantaneously… as long as it’s a labour government in power.. Just ask the most puerile, self serving, toadying, and utterly unfit for the purpose news media that has been inflicted on a population that is less capable of seeing that than it was twenty years ago… The one thing I’ve noticed since being trapped here with the first lockdown, is the immaturity, and small mindedness of what passes for political discourse. Add that to an alarming lack of real world knowledge that should be the basis of these discussions… So if being a poster child for bovine and ovine intellectual achievement is your thing, then I would say you are succeeding…
Only binary WHITE males, Bomber. Release all non-whites from prison, NOW!
Also if you are a man that self ID’s as a woman, you should get out of prison too. Everyone knows woman are less violent with or without a penis.
Release all from prisons who are not white cis men.
It is clear that the racist, homophobic justice system put them there, after all. Not their actions.
We are already nearly there to help our non cis, non white brothers and sisters escape the racist system by cancelling prison sentences.
Creative woke NZ could fund the reality show, Escape from New York but it’s Auckland crims, stabbing, shooting and ram raiding to their hearts content.
On the 15 June 23, put on yer best suit, brush your beard, take 10 bucks and legally declare yourself a women. Most vulnerable, marginalised and oppressed. See fixed all your problems.
If you’re a white cis male, you are only allowed to vote for ACT (unless you own at least 5 rental properties, then you can vote National). If you try to vote any other way, Marama will stab you in the testicle, in a completely non-violent way (as it is impossible for anyone other than white cis males to commit violence). Don’t risk it, vote sensibly & safely, vote ACT.
I can see Chippy tying himself in knots (again) trying to address “pay equity between the sexes” when he doesn’t even know what a woman is. Is the plan to piss off everyone – the women, “cis white men”, motorists, farmers etc? Good luck with that.
The Herald have run Chippy’s “what is a women” story/debacle, the comments overwhelmingly of the “adult human female, you idiot” type.
This should be safe ground for him.
I see a question coming.
Plunket… “What does pay transparency means.”
Better get prepared Chippie.
Hoskins “Name one thing that has improved since the health reform was launched.”
Chippie: could not come up with a single thing. The closest he got was and I paraphrase: We have improved health equity. We have spread the underperformance of the health sector right across NZ.
“We have improved health equity. We have spread the underperformance of the health sector right across NZ.”
Good one!
As folklores actress said to the Bishop–“Timing is everything”
Pay transparency is a good idea in theory as long as there are no exceptions. Employers will fight this as opaque pay rates are a means of keeping workers divided as grasping individuals rather than a group acting collectively.
It is one thing to scrutinise pay rates etc. but trusts and corporate structures will still hide much of the real money.
When employers can’t even put a pay rate / salary range on job ads, so no one knows whether they are wasting their time applying or not, I don’t see much chance of this happening. Especially as most New Zealanders have been so indoctrinated to never reveal their salary/wage, even under torture, that generally no one knows what the person next to them at work gets paid. All assume they are getting paid more, so won’t tell, but often they aren’t, and can sometimes be paid significantly less for the same or more senior role, depending on when people were hired.
The problem Hipkins has is assuming he retains the Treasury benches he will do so WITH BOTH the Greens and the Maori Party therefore this type of action WILL occur.
To date the average punter hasn’t been able to put 1 + 1 together on this and the opposition, particularly Te Reo seems oblivious to this easy win.
“Closing the Gap is about middle-class tertiary educated women getting more at a management level, it’s not the great leveller of worker consciousness.”
BINGO!
I would add to the end of your sentence: ….despite working fewer hours, having regular pregnancy breaks and refusing to move for work. LOL
I manage a team of six, I have 3 on maternity leave at the moment.
Also do you realise that while on maternity leave you accrue holiday leave. So I have one on a 12 month leave who also gets 5 weeks holiday as well.
Yep tough life for females.
Why would one not support this?
Where are the fishhooks?
Surely there is no significant work for government in this.
I guess that is why they can’t sort this out.
Still figuring out how many new government departments will need to be set up and finding an appropriately “qualified” overseas expert to come and lead the department.
Hell, if this would turn around a few votes for labour, why the hell not? Unintended consequences?
Jo Cribb perfectly embodies the intellectual dishonesty of contemporary progressivism.
The subtext of Cribb’s demands about “gender pay equity” is that the so-called “gender pay gap” is caused by the sexism of wicked men. Evolutionary psychology would suggest the main cause is sexual selection – many women are understandably attracted to men who “kick arse”, and are therefore likely to get ahead at work. This constant selection pressure has the effect of gradually ratchetting up average levels of boldness, assertiveness and ruthlessness in the male population. But there is no comparable sexual payoff for such traits in women, as (heterosexual) men’s sexual selection criteria differ on average from those of women.
But Cribb also wants the government to “do something” about ethnic pay gaps. Apparently it’s the government’s fault (or employers’ fault) that Pasifika men on average earn 23 % less than Pākehā men. Sub-text: it’s because the government and/or employers are racist. It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the fact that Pasifika (and Maaori) school attendance is shamefully low, and the Maaori and Pasifika are on average less educated and less well qualified than Pakeha or Asian New Zealanders?
Ethnic pay gaps will persist as long as ethnic disparities in school attendance and educational achievement persist.
How could it be otherwise….
just identify as a women, suddenly you are trans identified white male.
Would push ACT up to 19%! +
Q do I care about middle class womens concerns?, A as much as they care about working class males concerns
ie-less than zero
Hhhmm interesting all the men’s comments on here.
Even though I am a woman, I agree with Mart on this being about middle class women.
As someone trained and previously professionally engaged in organisational development and for that matter managing the pay strategy for a few organisations, I cant think of anything more destructive for organisational culture and most likely, productivity.
This is the ultimate in division and will not make a single person happy.
At organisational level looking down, you get a handful of different types of people (in terms of their behaviour) and what they get paid, usually comes down to two things. Overwhelmingly, popularity (True for men and women – may favour males or women with more male dominated traits in a largely male management cadre) and secondly fear. (If this particular person feels slighted will they cause hell?).
The rest – how hard you work, how loyal you are, how capable you are (unless there are severe skills shortages), how lazy you are makes almost no difference in the public sector. With the exception of the few poor souls who were squeezed out (not given a pay rise year after year) for whatever reason. Usually, those over 55 who are seen as dead wood. Used to be this described people that had slowed down so much they even moved slowly across a room or were too inflexible to go with the flow and made a pain of themselves.
Increasingly, there was a trend to bring in younger managers and many of them female. Then the you dont get any pay rise squeeze became the norm for anyone in their 50’s except for the few silver tongues who knew how to work it and survive the purge.
Pay transparency takes us right back to the disincentivising days of 1970’s payscales and its unfortunate effects on productivity and retention.
I’m on minimum wage
where’s my cis white male privilege lmao
Come on bro’s, hoes and birthing people we need to get real here. I’m on minimum wage because I didn’t put any effort in at school and haven’t done anything to up-skill since, It’s all on me.
People blaming the system for their low wage etc aren’t being honest with themselves and taking responsibility for their actions.
If you don’t put in the effort it’s your own fault
Shouldn’t you be on a benefit – why work for minimum wages?
That is why we have low wage, immigration.
Someone has to drive the ghost buses and be the ghost workers being paid for the expanding industry of potholes and road cones.
it’s going to be really disappointing for women when they find that they are getting paid the same as similarly skilled and experienced male co-workers. Then we might have to look at the REAL reason for pay disparity.
Its a bit of a moot point. My partner works at a large govt dept where they have a flat pay band structure. I.e. everyone doing x job is paid the same whether you’re a boy, girl or something else. It actually causes a lot of problems and staff are forever trying to manufacture new roles and responsibilities to get higher paying roles. I work in a corporate and have a pay band with a 40k difference in bottom and top of the band. Some colleagues will earn less than me and some more, but not because they’re men or woman, it’s usually based on experience, skills and performance.
If you implement pay transperancy a lot of workers will have to be told they just aren’t as valuable as the person next to them.
How can that end well?
Do it Chippy…just do it……
What pay gap?
Do women prime ministers charge more or less prime than male ministers
Do women governor generals charge more or less than male governors general
Do women Attorney Generals charge more or less than male attorney generals
Do women GPs charge more or less than male GPs
Do woman fork lift drivers charge more or less than male fork lift drivers
Do woman crane drivers charge more or less than male crane drivers
Do woman slaughter persons charge more or less than slaughtermen
Do women lawyers charge more or less than male lawyers
Do woman dentists charge more or less than male dentists
Do woman accountants charge more or less than male accountants.
Do woman rubbish truck drivers charge more or less than male truck drivers
Do woman factory line workers charge more or less than male factory line workers
Do woman nurses charge more or less than male nurses
Do woman state school teachers charge more or less than male teachers
Do woman cops charge more or less than male cops.
Do women oil rig workers charge more or less than male oil rig workers
Do women mechanics charge more or less than male mechanics.
Do women forestry workers charge more or less than male forestry workers.
There is no pay gap? Equal pay for equal work was implemented in NZ a long time ago. Isn’t pay supposed to be based on productivity. For example male strawberry pickers generally earn less than female because they are paid a peice rate and woman have more nimble fingers for delicate work and pick more strawberries per hour – it’s pay based on productivity. Occasionally there might be greater demand for for workers of one sex or the other for specific reasons based on sex. For example there is a major shortage of male role model primary and preschool teachers post Christchurch Creche Case – may be male primary school and preschool teachers should be paid more than their female colleagues!
If women want to be paid more either charge more or do a job with higher pay.
There is no pay gap. Adern and Hipkins paid exactly the same money.