Huge new Roy Morgan Poll tonight showing Labour crashing
National – 36%
Labour – 29.5%
ACT – 12.5%
Greens – 12.5%
Māori Party – 3.5%
The Maori Party continue to grow, ACT is soaring, National is stalling, the Greens are gaining by doing nothing and Labour are crashing
The Left are haemorrhaging male voters.
The best part of NZ Twitter in election year will be watching all the woke activists who have spent 2 years spitting hate and cancelling everyone now try to woo voters over to them.
I love watching their attempt at political persuasion.
It’s like watching vegans eating steak.
In an election of tribal polarisation and a social media environment of call outs and cancellations, pure temple politics erodes the common ground between voters to build Broadchurch mandates and political majority.
My fear is that as the Polls drop for the Left, our activists will get crazier and crazier with the woke stuff and keep cancelling until there are no more voters left to try and win over.
By banning free speech and demanding trigger free safe spaces, the Left have lost the skill of arguing our side and winning.
By focusing on virtue signals for middle class social justice, we have forgotten about economic justice for beneficiaries, the working classes and renters.
That’s why we on the Left aren’t attracting voters.
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The Natz tax cuts for the rich policy should peel them back again,going by the Tories backdown in the U.K.
Different country different solutions but it gives Labour something to us as they would der why they are not the flavour of the month any more.
Grant Robo will fancy his chance at the leadership if these numbers stay.
Greens up.
Never ever underestimate the power of the pronoun!
It’s a protest vote gain – nothing more, nothing less.
Interesting choice of word, ‘haemorrhage’, to describe the loss of male support for labour defined by Jacinda.
Criticism and questioning of her is justified. I’d just rather gender not be a feature.
No more pay rises and no more public services.
National hate public services. By extension, the people who vote for National and ACT hate public services.
Millsy, National actually DELIVERED on public services if you recall. They imposed performance measurement on DHBs and in doing so largely eliminated the backlog of elective surgeries. By comparison Labour is squandering over 300 million dollars on a race-based restructuring of the health system. This is in line with all the other Labour initiatives – money goes in but nothing comes out the other end. It’s all absorbed by their bloated administration.
National redirected health resources from the chronically ill poor to middle class cancer patients (ie the hiking of prescription charges)
Water down hospital walls Andrew. DELIVERED fuck all did National Andrew and 9 years without a salary rise says you are talking shit.
Built Christchurch Women’s Hospital.
Build North Shore’s Elective Surgery Unit
Added facilities at the Mason Clinic
Christchurch Womens hospital…
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/opening-christchurch-womens-hospital
Construction began in November 2002 and was completed in March 2005. The hospital opened in May 2005, on time and within budget.
Health underfunded for 9 years.
You were never good with facts Andrew.
…and fell down in the earthquake only to be rebuilt by National.
I know because I was involved in the design
They were repairs at a cost of 4 million not “built” and not “fell down”.
Give the rhetoric a rest, you are embarrassing yourself.
I know,I was working there at the time!
,National hate wasteful public service a big difference. Ask rest home nurses university lecturers firemen if this party in power gives wage rises. Wages are now driven by the private sector so no government influence there except for shortages in staff caused by the crazy immigration policy of this lot
Sorry Trevor, fighting to get improved wages( Labour)and being told to ” do more with less”(National) are two different things.
Go back and ask those firemen, rest home nurse and lecturers how much they got under National. It is also a know fact immigrant workers drive down wages so please stop with that falsehood of Nationals immigration ponzi scheme.
National love public services – all that public moolaa to be siphoned off and invested in “society” – you know – the “one” society
The left will love it when ACT gets their bedmates to sell off schools.
But use taxpayers money for their private schools.
In the words of Billy Connolly, “Jesus Suffering Fuck!”
But Martyn, Roy Morgan always overestimates the right and how do you argue that the Greens are falling on those figures?
We old fashioned Labourites from the pre Douglas pre Woke world see the current Left as the worst of all worlds.
We old gray stale white males may never vote National or Act, but don’t ask us to be “cancelled” by eco activist inverse racist anti blokes when we have spent our whole lifes paying taxes to raise you in bourgeois luxury.
And as for Labour, all Aunty Helen and Cindy have done about getting rid of neoliberalism is to take the rough edges off. Fifteen years of tugging the forelock, the train wreck for the working people continues whist the PMC prospers under the Natz or Labour.
So when we old farts stay in bed on election day its not just us who will get what we deserve, it’s the Left, the working people of NZ who will get the true “benefit” of years of faux Leftism.
I come back to Brewsters Millions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEglx-or6k
It has something to say despite its candy floss format. In the film he interviewed the old age pensioners bloc as part of his money machinations involving politics where a rich person can have such upsetting influence. He had an unusual slogan, Vote – None of the Above. He had a problem goal, he had to spend a large amount of money but with time and other restrictions. It was a bit of a worry to him – a nice problem.
What if we stopped worrying about elections and took the Parties to Court saying that they had no mandate for calling an election as they had not fulfilled requirements and commitments made at the last election, and all were ineffective and inflating costs and from a business point of view, could be said to be insolvent. We were promised business efficiency as something that goes together. Get Consumer to do some research on them to see if they are fit for purpose and to rate the various parties as to their worth and value to taxpayers and their delivery of services. Then drop their salaries and ability to allocate money to the levels of local government before general competency. The people deal directly with Treasury instead and take a great interest who the financial planners elected are, with proven decades of background in the public eye.
100% Martyn. You made an excellent point here:
“My fear is that as the Polls drop for the Left, our activists will get crazier and crazier with the woke stuff and keep cancelling until there are no more voters left to try and win over.”
It’s going to be a nasty election alright!
One poll does not a summer make, and the Roy Morgan poll is known to be a bit random. That said, it does fit the long-term trend. Fit a line through Nationals and Labours polling and the trend is clear: Labour steadily sinking and National rising. Hardly surprising when one considers Labour’s record of squandering money on crazy, ill-considered projects and then trying to grab more money from taxpayers to cover the shortfall. Kelvin Davis’s and Will Jackson’s nasty outbursts won’t have helped any either.
LINO are doing bad because they are NOT a Labour party, nor left wing.
They are TonyBlaire-JohnKey type right wingers. Or as Margaret Thatcher called those-type, ‘her wets’.
So IF there actually WAS a left wing party to vote for, all those ‘fringe’, undecided voters and pissed off LINO voters (now voting for the other alternative to be a Govt) would vote left-wing.
So start your Pa Aotearoa party Martin and let’s see the REAL left wing support in this country.
The media is calling the shots and dullwitted, arrogant, self serving MALES are allowing it to happen. Luxon should have been fired along with his protege the everso skilled #BedLeggerBully. I am alarmed to see some of my contemporaries leaving National, to support ACT and I fear for the future of my country. Charter Schools are a failure and their existence is responsible for the woefully educated new generation in the USA.
The long term effects of defunding Education, Health and Police have taken their toll and Labour gets the blame! Time for Labour to get tough. Time for some ‘fire in the belly’! Time for the ingrate conspiracy theorist anti-everything that is rational and good for the nation and those who care nothing for anyone else – to leave. New Zealand did so well compared with the rest of the world in handling the pandemic but the fools couldn’t see that. Aotearoa doesn’t deserve a fine servant leader like Jacinda Ardern! Misogynists cannot abide a woman who is young, fertile, charming, smart and composed. That she is the Prime Minister totally galls them.
It’s the disgraceful Fenton St housing solution starting to bury Labour?
Is it really healthy for a nation to have a poll each week on possible election results?
Thank God. Someone with brains at last. Polls should be banned. It’s still more than a year to the election and here’s everyone tying themselves in knots about polls. Whose stupid idea was it to have so many???
Oh, I know. Some pathetic company wanting to make a quick buck producing nothing but pretending it’s relevant.
They are also telling us the trends in the local body elections. Surely that should be illegal. Everyone (well, not everyone but a few) are still voting. We should not be regaled with stories about trends or who’s voting for whom. Give us some facts when the whole business is over, not useless opinion before it’s finished.
Sorry but that goes against the principal of free speech. Anyone can organise, run and publish a poll. We have that freedom.
You want to stifle free speech? Bit like Ardern I guess when she want to make free speech a “weapon of war”.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/new-zealand-pm-condemned-for-calling-free-speech-weapons-of-war-at-un/
You have the freedom to ignore any poll you like (or dont like), you do not have the freedom for me to see the polls.
I cant remember if you made the same complaint regarding the publishing of polls when Labour was at 50+%. Be nice if your call for the restriction of freedom, was evenly balanced and consistent. Care to link to this balanced objection for the restriction of polling?
Well said . A year is a long time especially in politics either side good score a home run by saying or doing something silly or there could be another pandemic or a war (the war with Argentina saved Thacker the earthquake saved Bob Parker ).
l like the present results and can only hope they stay until election 2023 1 year away
Not surprising. Labour caught the Green identity, anti local and pro mass migration bug, and it’s not really working to push more high needs people into NZ to compete for the low wages that nobody can now live on.
It’s called the bitting the hand that feeds you. And that’s happening in NZ, where the wokes favourite people are now litigating against the government for not being good enough. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/475943/emergency-accommodation-users-share-stories-with-human-rights-commission-felt-worse-than-jail https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/concerns-over-new-refugee-resettlement-providers-post-red-cross/IMJNNBYMV5S2CAA455VGSOIL5M/
I just hope Marama and Golriz personally take the blame and publicly apologise.
Parity with OZ wages, stopping their war against freedom of speech which is now raising eyebrows internationally and tighter borders will be a start to get labour back.
The greens are too far gone, now.
Eventually someone needs to work out that NZ wages should NOT be funded by taxpayers subsidising them but employers paying market wages. Employers who are mostly companies with a low paid workforce, should not be expanding if they can’t or won’t pay their current workers enough to live on in NZ. (But strangely manage to, in OZ).
Allowing hundreds of thousands of foreign dependants into NZ is creating even more chaos in our public services as they open the visas to get more foreign workers to work slave wages and conditions here.
Poor public services are now run by woke and right wing committees, and now showing the signs of that neglect in locals, who have been big casualties of the woke cancellation of their identity(but not those who are a bad look for Maori https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/09/21/mediawatch-wait-wait-wait-the-woke-cancelled-a-maori-event-organised-by-maori-students-because-it-was-offensive-to-maori-language-week/) .
Re arranging the te Reo signs on the titanic is now NOT enough for people to ignore it’s sinking and the life boats are already full of the wokes favourite people and hundreds of thousands are on their way in NZ’s massive woke fast track visas. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128282098/nz-may-get-60000-more-migrants-than-forecast-under-visa-scheme-says-national
Will Natz be better, nope , Labour and Natz are surprisingly close in policy – they are pretty much the same party with one more woke and one more right wing.
People are starting to want to remove the middle class woke party, before they and free speech are cancelled.
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