If there was one good outcome of the very one sided Fire & Fury, it’s that they have highlighted that these feral Qanon anti-vax lunatics have been outed for trying to hide their shared mental illness when running for everything from local council to school boards…
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…let’s be very clear what the issue here actually is and why the media are doing their job by telling us.
These feral anti-vax lunatics have every right to run in our democracy, just as they have every right to protest.
That they are running for local body elections isn’t the problem because every citizen has the right to democratic participation, just as they have the right to protest.
That they are standing isn’t the issue, the fact they are trying to hide their true intentions and their real beliefs IS the problem and it’s a big fucking problem!
If you honestly believe that this Government has committed crimes against humanity and need to be arrested and hung at some weird bastardisation of the Nuremberg rallies, you should stand on that platform and tell us all your policy platform regarding that, and the rest of us can make a decision on how disconnected from reality you are.
Hiding your true intentions to insert yourself into the local structures of power so you can damage that system is not good faith democracy, it’s a dark and dangerous manipulation of our collective apathy.
Outing these fanatics isn’t right wing or left wing thing, this is toxic polarisation by people who have a completely different reality to the rest of us and see engagement as a means to disrupt and amputate our democracy for the most conspiracy driven of beliefs.
Fuck!
That!
Shit!
As a nation we have sacrificed for our Democracy, as a people we collectively suffered under Covid. Our forebears did not spill blood and we did not in solidarity accept Covid sacrifice just so people who are one step above flat-earthers could take over our local systems of Democracy!
They need to be outed and all good people of conscience should vote in any way that ensures they don’t win.
Let me be clear.
I don’t care that these lunatics are running, I care that they are being deceptive about their true intentions and intend to wreck our democracy from the inside for their demented conspiracies.
Voters need to know who they are and need to know their deceptiveness and Voters can make up their own mind, because purposely misleading the public about your true intentions isn’t democracy, that’s a Coup d’état.
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I guess nobody busted all the neoliberals and self interested parties that are currently in public office destroying democracy, welfare state and our environment. (While often posing as the opposite).
Yes bad that the anti vaxers and fringe identity groups are making a play, but that’s our society now. Dumb fringe lives matter as well as Business is Best and woke worship.
This!! local government is already riddled with people who are more loyal to political parties than the locals who elected them
Yep, my first reaction too, except I’m old enough to remember Labour starting all this back in the 80s. The evil little cancer called Roger Douglas sneaking in under the radar along with Richard Prebble. Disingenuity to the max.
You get what you sow dudes.
Their deception is problematic for sure but the fact they are demented runs a very close second. That’s why I was so disappointed Luxon (probably unwittingly) gave Tamaki’s mob even a hint of legitimacy, and just as alarmed that some commenters try use MMP the reason as to why we must respect them. NO! We must respect their right to express their views in the open, but that’s where the obligation ends.
Just like Labour how kept He Puapua hidden from Winston and the general public until after the election.
Conspiracy theories (and theorists) flourish when the ruling party ceases to be transparent. Labour passed that point long ago and the current whirlwind of discord is a largely a result of this lack of transparency and general dishonesty.
Paul C the report was commissioned in 2019, was it not? We’re they not elected in 2017?
Hiding their true agenda…..I think we better include the Labour Party in that.
Both in 1984 and today.
Why did they not campaign on three waters? Why did hide HePuapua?
Maybe they will campaign on it in 2023… yeah right
Anker you sound like Judith Collins. The report was commissioned to see how we could live up to the UN charter that Key signed us up to. I love the fact that any seemingly responsible action taken by National in the past is turned into something completely different by the race baiters want National back in!
Good on the media for outing theses candidates craziness true beliefs but why? The media are shit scared of these people because they get labelled fake and lose credibility in the eyes of the public. The Fire & Fury doco showed Paula Penfolds shock that people had stopped believing msm and she was no longer considered an arbiter of truth. And why wouldnt people stop believing msm? Did msm report on the true intentions of the Rogernomics Sect before the 84 election? Did msm report on the true cogovernance intentions of the current power players prior to last two elections? As they say never believe the government or a politician isnt lying to you!
Also these anti vax anti msm anti science types are energetic so will likely get out their vote. Opinion polls at the time of the protest showed they had 30% support of the general population.
Agree fully on the anti vax conspiracy theory looney tunes. And this is exactly the issue i have with the bicycle lobby. “the fact they are trying to hide their true intentions and their real beliefs IS the problem and it’s a big fucking problem!”
If they came out front and say they want to reduce Auckland’s speed limits to a max 30 kmhr, ban any street parking, lay siege to cars in general and set up playgrounds randomly on any road to satisfy their inner infant, they’d get fuck all votes. But they hide in anonymity. What did a Christchurch councillor of this category describe the election time as…silly season!
Fuck their manipulation!
I’ve been very unsatisfied, surprised for some years at the lack of background given by candidates for any office. I want to know where they went to school what their interests are, what their main occupation, is, has been and likely future, and what side issues they follow. Are they married, spouse’s name, how many children, do they homeschool or join the rest of the citizens? Have they ability to prioritise and what do they put first, whether they are interested in helping vulnerable people to find their feet, or is working on their palate for craft beer or wine and building stadia with world class facilities, their main interest plus opening up common land to developers for people stacking and business parks?
Well, the msm as they have shown in this instance only need to dig through facebook and LinkedIn to find that background. So it’s done in this case but not others, why? I guess these outliers are newsy while background stories on quiet capitalists – yeah nah get them to buy advertising.
Stuff happily connives with politicians to pretend they’re ‘left wing’ and ‘care’ when they’re clearlyh neoliberals who would happily bathe in the blood of the poor given half a chance, so why shouldn’t the vaccine cranks have a go?
So, you are finally showing your true colours and ethnicity now, Cameron “Mohammed Khan” Slater? I was a bit suspicious of your feigned ESL English on another few posts here on TDB.
Now, we finally and really know who you are CS, but not glad you are willing to hide behind an ethnicity, or someone who you assign gutter references to as “the poor”.
When the f#ck have your right-wing and alt-right Cam Slater-Dirty-Politics fuckers EVER given two sh!its about the poor, apart from being the low-lives you tax, while the rich avoid it? Trickle-down will help the poor – f#cking liars!
Fucking right-wing hypocrites!!
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