Erica Stanford quizzed on whether National would return net migration to Sir John Key era levels
National Immigration spokesperson Erica Stanford says her party would bring in as many migrants as needed to fire up the economy – but can’t put a number on exactly what that would be.
Auckland in infrastructure gridlock and renters are the collateral damage of National and Erica Stanford’s mass immigration.
National is nothing more than a front for Chinese business interests and their voting base are the farmers and hospo/mass tourism industry that requires migrant worker exploitation so National’s immigration solutions are more morally akin to a drug dealer wanting more drugs.
The solution to nursing shortages is to offer NZers free education and allowances in return for bonding theme here. What makes me choke in laughter at the rights framing of the nursing crisis is that they NEVER look at the huge loans we saddle Kiwis with when they become nurses. Of course they – like all students hit with debt – run offshore to find the wages to pay that debt off.
Instead of admitting the neoliberal version of user-pays education is fucked, what do National want to do? Import cheap nurses from the Philippines while our local nurses flee the debt we saddle them with and National have the intellectual dishonesty of calling that a solution!
You think life is tough now, wait until National throw open the immigration flood gates once again to prop up their industry mates who require exploited labour.
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Tax cuts for the wealthy. Tick
No money left to build public infrastructure. Tick.
Mass immigration. Tick
No infrastructure built to cope with mass immigration. Tick
National 2008? Nope. National 2023, cryogenically frozen and now thawed out as if the past 15 years never happened.
But don’t think Labour won’t open the gates up if it’s focus grouping well! They’ve done just that with migration last week after resisting the temptation.
Labour are talentless. National appear the same. These party’s appear ever more indistinguishable.
People are not the problem in NZ, many are against the stupidity of lowering NZ wages and having bums on seats immigration that has led NZ to have health, housing, transport, justice and education crisises, due to extreme demand on services from NZ’s lazy immigration policy, where criteria was thrown out the window.
Now we have lost the NZ brand of being a clean, green, nice country to live in, too as well as kids being found dead in suitcases, terrorists choosing NZ to come live in, murders daily, meth and guns being promoted and crime escalating.
It is astonishing how many ‘dual nationals’ seem to work overseas but when they get cancer or some other event, come back to NZ to get free treatment. Sadly this means those living and working in NZ get pushed further and further down any health care lists.
Likewise as someone commits a crime in other countries, NZ has now become the place criminals get deported to (often on the basis of a short stay where some family member got NZ citizenship or residency) as it’s so easy to come here with no skills, no money (or a lot of stolen money) and fake documentation and get NZ residency.
While Natz will be just as bad as Labour for lazy immigration (maybe worse), Labour seem to be more interested in siding with exploiter low wage super rich employers in NZ, than supporting NZ workers who they are failing in NZ, again and again.
Exploitation and more social poverty and demand led problems have just been green lighted by Labeen this month! https://indiannewslink.co.nz/appeal-to-reduce-median-wage-for-unskilled-migrant-workers/
great… more filipino builders that don’t know one end of a hammer from the other, just what i need.
Is it ethical to take skilled immigrants from countries who trained their needed citizens and not raining the skilled citizens we need?
That’s an easy answer. NO IT FUCKING ISN’T. But then that’s exactly what we’ve done. As a result, we are where we are here and now.
And worse. We’ve given false hope to people simply wanting to better themselves and provide for their families, changed the rules on them midway through the game, and then got all haughty and judgemental when they point out our various arsehole dysfunctions (in this space, going forward).
Immigration policy and WORSE – its implementation is a fucking shambles. (Apparently, it’s “Best Practice” – labelled as such by always unimaginative; sometimes racist; and usually embarrassingly incompetent “officials” whose only claim to competence is the ability to capture their Munster).
We see ‘THEM” simply as economic units to be harvested for our needs whilst being quite comfortable with the team of “US” fucking off for better pastures. Hypocrisy much?
I imagine there are going to be quite a few of these masters of the universe folks playing the victim card in the next several months
Let’s talk specifically about The Philippines.
Medical staff get paid shit wages there (as well as the country being shit overall), so why wouldn’t you come to NZ if you could.
A large percentage of the money they earn here is sent back to The Philippines, so that’s a win for their country.
I have no figures, and would be willing to bet there are no medical staff shortages there (or if there are, no where like here) as the medical training system will be pumping out (for example) three times the number of graduates as is required to staff The Philippines/fill churn, as they know 2/3 will head off overseas.
Good money to be made by the universities over there in training all those “surplus” medical folks.
Natz are bad but is Labeen just as bad?
There has been assessment that a family of 4 needs an income of around $160k to live in Auckland comfortably and similar level of wages in other cities in NZ.
So we have to ask why import in foreign migrants to work NZ jobs at a fraction of that, when we are in a welfare state and workers on those on those wages will be in poverty in NZ and eventually be subsidised by other tax payers in a range of top up benefits and accomodation supplements.
https://indiannewslink.co.nz/appeal-to-reduce-median-wage-for-unskilled-migrant-workers/
Note often the industries paying the low wages are highly profitable and led by multimillionaires if not billionaires. “construction, meat processing seafood, aged care, snow and adventure tourism industries”.
Wonder why NZ construction is dysfunctional and youth don’t want to train to do it anymore in NZ. Wages of $24 and $26 to attract migrant workers mean that it is not worth training in that field. Likewise aged care and all the other industries that used to pay better like meat works and fishing – many paying these artificially low wages are hard physical jobs that end up on ACC pushing up everyone elses premiums.
As for relying on NZ importing in doctors and nurses and our student loan led/cheating tertiary, there seems to be a lack of ethics now in this industry as NZ continues to be a ‘soft’ touch – doctors and nurses being registered and trained in NZ, going on to murder others or just plain pretend to be a doctor and practise here.
Tinder killer met, married and began abusing his partner in New Zealand
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/97994011/tinder-killer-met-married-and-began-abusing-his-partner-in-new-zealand?rm=a
Murderer doctor Venod Skantha dies in prison day after losing appeal
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/murderer-doctor-venod-skantha-dies-in-prison-day-after-losing-appeal/F2UFYZHYJVQZP5VZYX6MF7JTZI/
Alleged imposter doctor used fake documents to get off driving charge
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300660195/alleged-imposter-doctor-used-fake-documents-to-get-off-driving-charge
Often these people have had some trouble with law or their profession or studies in NZ prior, but this is just ignored as too hard to do checks on anything in NZ – NZ courts seem to have given a discharge without conviction for driving charges on the basis of a fake medical and fake documents presented to the court, that nobody bothers to check.
The fees free debate has largely been won. Business confidence speech after round table talks broadly speak to a fitugued attitude that see no use in squabbling about privatising government services or getting into arguments about Labour and National then going down the list of issues as if that’s insightful.
Business confidence is very concerned with the housing crises and the skills shortages and the gridlock. Very very concerned. That doesn’t bring confidence at all.
Business confidence is also looking at people like Anne Tolly being parachuted in to try and save towel runga for nation with the same old boring policy from the past.
To grow New Zealand out of an 8% inflationary recession the average wage has to be at least 8 times what people pay on rent. No way the private sector can provide that no way. Only the state can provide affordable housing.
At an average hospitality salary of $40k. The more hyper tourism New Zealand does, the poorer New Zealand gets. So we just have to retain skilled labour and we won’t be doing that by importing Philippinos.
It’s just the same old boring silver service policy from National trying to hold on to the past, no new ideas. Just trying to hold onto old values and hanging trauma amulets around young people.
It’s not about waging your finger and saying get a job even though it is. It’s about entertaining adults and giving them something to do for 8hrs.
Unfortunately fees free education is an anathema to neoliberal economic policy. Doubly unfortunate is that all the current political parties polling over 5% prescribe to those very same neolib policies.
Don’t count on Labour to save us. They have long ceased to be a workers party.
Reminder that Labour signed us up to the UN migration pact and future governments, be they National or Labour, will use this as an excuse to flood the country with immigrants for cheap labour and boosting economic numbers. Some will point out that the migration pact is non binding but then so is the indigenous peoples declaration but that hasn’t stopped the current government using it as an excuse to implement co-governance based on race
Emotional junior staffer?
I think make it really, really attractive to train to be a nurse (and Dr). Good living wage with a bond. Get the trainees back in the hospital a bit more.
Lift nurses and Drs wages more, cut spending on health bureaucracy and adds for things like the health reforms (ffs). Then (and this won’t be popular increase student fees for non vocational training ie most arts degrees. They are not value for money. Or severely limit places on them. It use to be only the very bright that went to university. A lot of what is being taught seems to be ideological rubbish anyway
National might as well just close down every nursing school in the country and simply just bring in nurses from overseas, because I feel like that is where they ultimately want to head.
They simply do not want to train and employe NZers, and just want to leave them on the scrap heap, if National get back in, large swathes of the economy will simply be shut to New Zealanders.
National won’t close anything down new view but they will run it down nek minute it is privatised
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