There is something very odd about the current trial into Labour and National Party donation scandals that is being gruesomely dissected in Court right now.
It’s not the high stake players in Labour who were involved in trying to assess why such expensive auction gifts were being gifted and then bought for outrageous amounts by the same people gifting it.
It’s not the insight of how crazy the Simon Bridges and Jamie-Lee Ross relationship had degenerated into.
It’s the total agreement by all media to not focus on the 10 000 pound Panda Red Dragon Bear standing in the middle of the court room.
This was an attempt by the Chinese Government to directly buy influence in our domestic politics.
The media can dress it up as much as they like that it was just Chinese Business interests trying to buy access in NZ, but that would be a dangerously naive position to take.
The idea that these Chinese business interests were not informing China Government Officials that they had access to the purse strings of the two largest political parties in a Country China has keen interests in.
We can’t be this fucking stupid can we?
It’s like that moment Labour and National unanimously agreed to flush both their Chinese MPs because of their links to the Chinese Government.
It happened and no one mentioned it!
The same thing is happening now.
This donations scandal isn’t about the fine print of Electoral Law, it’s about the Chinese Government via Chinese proxies attempting to buy influence in the domestic politics of NZ!
The Left consider any criticism of China as xenophobic and the Right are too financially entangled with Chinese Business interests to say anything.
Newspapers won’t comment and journalists chose to focus on anything but the obvious influence of the Chinese Government in all of this.
If America had been caught attempting to influence politics like this, there would be an uproar, because it’s China no one rocks the boat!
The irony of using Chinese cameras to spy on Kiwis should make us all wince…
Questions raised about Chinese surveillance cameras used in NZ
Chinese surveillance cameras remain in wide use in New Zealand despite renewed controversy about them overseas.
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Cue replies from PRC keyboard warriors…
New Zealand is so dependant on Chinese expansion. How do we culture flip that when every time they come down here they’ll be treated like outsiders
Nope we are not dependant on China.
Before China, we had OZ, Japan, etc for our exports. Big opportunity in the UK as they leave the EU, also NZ signed a free trade deal with the EU.
NZ bovine officials and media, seem to be too stupid and lazy to diversify our exports. There is catastrophic thinking in NZ constantly, which disguises laziness and ignorance.
Our officials like the ‘gifts and donations’ that the Chinese provide to officials so it’s all rah, rah for China from certain people – and that is all they do, rah, rah, China, we will not survive without China etc. This is picked up by lazy media also on the take.
Meanwhile in the period we prostituted ourselves to China, seems to be one where NZ is facing the greatest poverty, crime wave, corruption, debt, political interference, and skills shortages.
It has clearly has not be a successful strategy.
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So my basic thesis is that Japanese remilitarization is not going favorably, not just by China either. Japan still has the legacy of being a boogieman in that part of the world. Not to mention, if China can sustain the growth they’ve been experiencing, They’ll overtake The USA economically, in a great way.
Is an arms race to the future between Beijing and the rest of the Pacific really going to be in anyone’s favor?
And as for India, I’m just not seeing it. Yes, India is big enough to challenge China. Yes, India and China will compete for resources, most likely in Africa.
But I just don’t see the kind of enmity between China and India, the kind that China has for Japan. Or the need for security from a rising China that would prompt Wellington to join Washington in some very clear anti-China league.
China has 1.3 Billion people there are 3 economic regions we are in the Asian economy region it takes traveling to China- The total straight line distance between China and New Zealand is 10791 KM (kilometers) and 583.19 meters. The miles based distance from China to New Zealand is 6705.6 miles.
The Time it takes to get to the UK ↔️ Kilometers: 18399.69 km. / Miles: 11433.04 miles. / Nautical Miles: 9928.45 NM. ✈️ Estimated flight time: 20.16 hours. United Kingdom/Population
67.22 million
This anti-China sentiment in the western discourse is seriously delusional and needs to be examine closely. European exceptionalism is ova the rise of the east is inevitable.
Who is closest to your heart, family and history in UK or a business client in China?
moon_rekt: New Zealand is closes to my heart. This is my country of birth! I have historical connections in this country that are pre-European. I owe nothing to the UK! My father went to Egypt to fight an enemy for the UK and got back to NZ and was treated like shit.
My heart is for New Zealand!!
The problem is that any exports as China are stopped as soon as our government opens their mouths on human rights or issues like Taiwan… or any other independent political thought. And when they collapse financially or stop because of a pandemic we don’t want to go down with them.
Spread exports wide and diversify!
There’s a world food shortage, NZ produces food!
NZ needs to have a lot of different partners and countries around the world to export to so that they are not hugely affected by foreign countries policies and changes like war, climate change, financial crisis and political situation.
In addition in the case of China they did not buy the milk they bought the farm and they did not buy the wood, they bought the forests.
So now NZ has a bigger problem of not having cheap access to it’s own raw materials such as wood for housing.
Bad NZ policy to allow this to happen! And that is why more people are in poverty in NZ and skilled people are leaving and criminals are coming here. We created stupid short term policy with zero risk analysis.
Got proof?
This forum doesn’t need proof, ask the daily blog bullshitter Bob.
Singapore wanted to pay us so they could permanently place 4 SAF F15s and deepen the relationship but we fucked that up. What else have we fucked up?
saveNZ ‘The problem is that any exports as China are stopped as soon as our government opens their mouths on human rights or issues like Taiwan…’
Firstly the Uyghur of Xinjiang’s have been persecuted in China that not debatable but what missing from western discourse is the context surrounding that persecution of the Uyghur’s and why the PRC took steps to fight terrorism. ‘Yes’ the Chinese govt has the right to defend itself and its citizens (Apartheid Israel line of defense which is accepted in western discourse) so lets employ that logic concerning this debate.
Secondly the Taiwan issue of becoming a sovereign Nation?? The One China policy seems to be missing from your comments which isn’t surprising. Taiwan was seen by the Japanese as the unsinkable ship when they invaded China. The USA will be using the same logic and China don’t like that!!
Ever read the Rand-report?
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html
By wide don’t you mean go west allghe way to the UK where the coast is clear?
New Zealand produces expensive, Western-style food, which only a small proportion of the world can afford.
So Chinese people can’t afford our food?
Rise of Asia only happened bc USA was hijacked by Globalist elite who profiteered while sending all the manufacturing to Asia. Without massive trade surpluses with USA and subsequent bubble economies, China and the rest get nowhere.
Both Labour, and National are beholden to the Chinese Communist Party to a certain degree…so, if so-called journalists aka Government PR agents — start reporting on it…funding will be cut from the Government.
Labour call criticism of China as Xenophobic? I seem to recall National getting very sanctimonious when “Chinese sounding names” were mentioned in house price discussions. National were trying to pretend the Chinese were not buying any property.
$55m buys a lot of ignorance, and the journalists couldn’t just focus on the Nats without collateral damage to the Labour Party.
$55 million for JK’s house to the Chinese has got JK plenty of media time.
What are you talking about?
I don’t know, what are you talking about, $55 million to influence the media?
Evidence, any, any at all or is it just a lazy right wing quotation?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/your-43m-lifeline-to-tv3-owner/UTEBZVOYMBYVYAQN6QODUUB5JI/
Then TV 3 got rid of John Campbell a few years later for asking National M.P/s and JK difficult questions, that’s what you get for influence.
What are you talking about?
Irrelevant. As long as extremely hostile threats like America and ‘israel’ are interfering in our politics, no point to getting one’s panties in a bunch about the government of the people of China.
Okay, China.
Liberal democracies are on the decline globally. The social experiment of liberal democracy nation building in other countries in the 1990s-2000s has been an utter failure with over 60 million killed and that a conservative estimate. Look at Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Egypt, Afghanistan, …etc to name a few. The west isn’t the whole world even relative to population size.
Interestingly at the BRIC Summits membership in China 2022 has grown from strength to strength and is seriously undermining the G7 nations. The future for NZ now lies in the ‘EAST’ we are after all in the Asian economic region.
You want noodles with that?
taste better than a missile!
Well let’s see if they can, the Chinese Government that is, up their bid.
Maybe they could fund and build some fucking houses for the next Government for them so that the 27,000 people living in motels can move into! That cost $365m per year! FFS!!
A serious look at the (Labour) ChCh Mayor and her late husbands complex business dealings, nominee companies, conflicts of interest with Chinese business interests and so would be revealing indeed. Never happen of course. Too embarrassing for the Labour Party.
And JKs dealings with Chinese?
We don’t want to go there, embarrassing for the National party consortium.
Poor old desperate AO/NZ’s became reliant on Chinese money, whether it’s legitimate or not because who cares. Our very own Kiwi-As deep state crooks who’ve been manipulating our primary industry money via all bought and paid for, hand picked, primary industry producer board members who then send literally free primary industry money over and into their own rapacious bankster sanctioned pockets but are now falling on their ugly faces after tripping over their big flat greedy feet because your timing was a bit orf… Aye Boys? You could never have seen the interweb coming and your greed dictated that you stay latched onto the primary industry money tit just that little bit too long.
I’ve been warning you, and you, about this for close to ten or so years now, give or take?
The Chinese criminals here are arrogant. That, is their main weakness. They think they’re clever, cunning, wily, sneaky and down right bent as fuck in that cool and hip kind of way but they ain’t got nothing on the Americans and the British because they have no Class dahlings. The classy crims will be in there stitching deals together, polluting and corrupting and generally creating a cloak of impenetrability around their dubious shenanigans and they’ve been doing that for generations, but particularly here. We AO/NZ’ers, the Chinese and our politics are being grifted by mighty banksters who are so immensely powerful and manipulative that they could come to AO/NZ, bankrupt us, then leave and we’d be blaming each other while politicians started beating up on farmers, gangs and beneficiaries. Again.
Oh fuck! Wait a minute?
Time to truck this baby out again.
Thanks to @ Malcolm Evans
The Spiders web.
“Michael Oswald’s film The Spider’s Web reveals how at the demise of empire, City of London financial interests created a web of secrecy jurisdictions that captured wealth from across the globe and hid it in a web of offshore islands. Today, up to half of global offshore wealth is hidden in British jurisdictions and Britain and its dependencies are the largest global players in the world of international finance.”
https://youtu.be/np_ylvc8Zj8
Now is the time for a social minded government to be hyper vigilant because very soon now a dire situation is going to force some serious and direct action.
One of the oldest ruling class manoeuvres is to get the masses identifying with “their” imperialist power. So in NZ that has often been generating support for the USA, and against Russia and China.
In earlier times it was NZers being expected to support the ‘mother country’ (as in the butchers apron colonial British flag). Exhibit A–WWI where NZers went marching off to a war between imperialist powers in Europe until they were slaughtered in record numbers, woke up a bit, and then had to be conscripted to go! Just about every small town and hamlet in NZ has a memorial gate, hall, monument or flag post re WWI and the terrible cost.
So buy into imperialist rivalry at your peril. The international socialist position is Neither Washington, Moscow or Beijing.
As for Chinese manufactured Cameras reporting back to home base–what do you think your iPhone does? it reports your every move back to vast Apple data centres unless you drill through scores of settings in applications–though Apple at least makes some decent privacy provisions and tracker blocking available.
NZ Police use American face recognition software, NZ security agencies collect data on NZ citizens and Pacific citizens which they scabbily supply to the NSA and 5 Eyes.
China has 5 or so offshore Military installations, the USA has over 750 publicly discoverable offshore bases and facilities. Check the shameful record of invasions by US Imperialism. The US supports Israeli brutalisation of Palestinians to the hilt with trillions of dollars and arms shipments.
China may not be a democrats dream, but neither is the US which is on the verge of becoming an authoritarian theocracy if enough Americans don’t turn out in the mid terms.
Its like everybody in uproar over Huawei routers but not a whisper about the capabilities of Cisco routers which could be doing the same thing.
interesting that only the bagmen are on trial not the people the bags went to….juzzzz sayin loike.
The CCP is structured and operates the same as the Mafia, drug cartels and any other organized crime syndicate. Doing business with them is akin to letting a thief into your house.
the ccp aren’t the only gangsters in town if you hadn’t noticed. They’re using the same hustle of loans and infrastructure to muscle their way in. banks, political alliances and doing “business”. it’s nothing new. bit of a borg approach from the fifties if you ask me. I’m sure anyone can buy influence and lobby the ccp for references if you contribute to China. Work your way up politically. I don’t think they really give an eff what anyone outside the party thinks tbh. monitor and assess. resources and energy. the impacts of coal burning. looking forward to their cheap electric cars.
what is the chinese govts job??…to take care of and put the chinese 1st, as govts should, in NZ we have decided that doesn’t apply…don’t blame the chinese for rightly putting their people first, blame our successive govts for not giving a flying fuck about kiwis.
Where the art.
TA.
a few nukes will sort it out – we really need our own MADD deterrent and they will look away. ukraine gave up their nukes and see where that got them. whilst I abhor the thought of their use – nuclear armageddon has afforded us some sense of stability amidst the insanity of world powers and their lust for resources..
if you like living with the risk of accidental use.
Just wait until America is no longer able to maintain its ’empire’.
Times will get interesting then
I remember National denying the chinese were coming here on house buying trips. Now Auckland is full of ghost houses owned overseas.
Then we had a National MP who used to teach spies.
The icing on the cake was that time a chinese military aircraft was allowed to fly up and down the country.
Majority of our trade going to China.
An ex 5 eyes analyst in the US expressed concern at the level of financials going to political parties but somehow we still manage to retain our 5 eyes status.
Labour comes along and changes it to only new builds can be purchased overseas but hasnt changed anything else.
Yes both parties are neck deep in Chinese donations.
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