I have been highly critical of the feral lunatics protesting on Parliament’s Lawns and urged them to vote for me in their Nuremberg hanging rankings.
I have been highly critical of how Trevor enflamed this feral lunatic protest.
I have defended Police inaction because the right to protest in a liberal progressive democracy is sacrosanct.
I have pointed out that if we on the Left had been transformational on poverty, housing & inequality over the last 4 years – then we wouldn’t have the lumpenproletariat hurt, furious and manipulated by the far right!
It’s easier to scream NAZI instead of challenging the neoliberal economic hegemony that is now woking in favour of the Middle Class Marxists that populate the woke managerial class of Wellington.
I’ve been withering in my criticism of the Middle Class Marxists who see Nazi Monster Vampires every time they close their eyes.
Let me be as equally crystal clear and damning as I can be in regards to the demands made by the anti-mandate lumpenproletariats.
Get fucked you lunatics.
I have yet to see one interview with a protestor that after a terrible & painful personal mandate experience – that truly pulls at your heart strings – that then doesn’t veer off into some crazy demented conspiracy theory- there is no doubt this misery is being manipulated.
Of course we all want mandates lifted and we don’t want you anti-vaxxers to feel excommunicated from your homeland. As soon as the public health reasons as to why we have all collectively curtailed our civil liberties are no longer required, of course Jacinda is going to lift them!
This mindset that somehow Jacinda is part of a shadowy fascist Government that will make vaccines mandatory and hold down children and adults to forcibly inject them is a feral lunatic lie that is as evil as it is false.
Jacinda Ardern has done a fucking remarkable job in keeping us safe and not dead.
The fucking stats speak for themselves, we have one of the lowest death and hospitalisations rates in the World, and that’s because of her courageous leadership.
Now I will criticise Labour all day until I am blue in the face over their lack of transformation on issues like poverty, housing and climate change, but I simply refiuse to accept that their handling of Covid deserves this kind of false narrative and bad faith lies to vilify a once in a generation leader who has saved this damned country from a terrible once in a century plague.
There is much that divides us as a people now, but something as clear and concise as Labour’s response to Covid deserves our collective good will and our support.
That isn’t to say that the broad stroke policies haven’t hurt people and have at times been infuriating in their application, and I acknowledge that many on that lawn have been victims of that broad stroke policy.
I don’t deny your pain, I deny your conclusion, your reasoning and your basic sentence structures.
We need mandates to end because there is no reason to keep them in place the moment there isn’t a public health emergency and with Omicron in NZ just starting, we sure as Christ aren’t ending them today.
I stand with Jacinda’s handling of Covid, like most reasonable NZers do, while standing for the right of protest while disagreeing with the demented logic of feral lunatics on Parliament’s lawn while ruthlessly mocking Middle Class Marxists in Wellington who are demanding the Police bash everyone who triggers them.
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Yes, but we the people have behaved rather well too, fatigued as we may be.The dissenters are behaving less well and their abuse of others is barbaric, and I know that some of them are uncivilised nut jobs, and I do not believe that they have been without the leadership which various parties think they have.
The worst of them appear to be those hanging around the cenotaph. And I’ll bet they’re not even aware how transparent they are, thinking they’re very clever. Give some of them a fluro vest and they think they can rule the world – and live stream it while they’re about it.
Taking it upon themselves to decide who gets access to parliament and environs. Self-appointed guardians of their (now clearly minority) agenda.
Not too long ago, we’d have referred to them as small penis boofheads.
That little group of testosterone filled fuckwits are giving the protwst a bad name. I’m sure they’re at odds with the neo-hippie movement – who seem to have difficulty in rubbing one original idea with another; purple crystals and a set of flabby old lycra-clad fitnes freaks preaching peace love and goodwill to all personkind.
It’s really trejuk. No wonder there are doctors and nurses and teachers wanting to leave the CUNTry the minute they get the fiirst opportunity.
Sadly, some of Jacinda’s colleagues really do need a bloody big big kick up the rrrrrs and you probably wouldn’t be too surprised who those Munsters should be.
I’ll leave their ‘officials’ alone for now because just like the Catholic Priesthood, they’ll eventually expose themselves, and no doubt they’re facing “headwinds” but there are one or two “greenshoots” in that space, going forward
#Off.Get.Chuff and if you think Lex Luxon and Twerking EEEy Orre is the answer, I’ve got a country and its sovereignty I can sell you. Going Cheap!
We have not yet seen a Jacinda gone, rotten.
That is to say a Jacinda that deploys the full might of the state just to grace her self with power for life Xi style.
Any Prime Minister who dears disregard the power of the vote surely would call forth the revolution that Chris Trotter outlined.
As a Jacinda gone rotten, completely giving herself over to the power of the turns with her majority government turns the fear would be immediate and overwhelming. That is a requirement of martial law.
There are many reasons why a Jacinda gone rotten can never happen. There is nothing in the literature that suggests martial law, always moving towards the power of the state and slightly left.
And thanks to some skillful and well placed incompetence from a motley crew of parliamentary members from all party’s, will always vere slightly left or right just to be careful enough to stay in the centre.
I make no claim that a Jacinda gone rotten would even entertain the idea of an organised approach to martial law, in effect leaving it open to chance because even chance requires a minimum standard of competence just to back it up and maintain a state of martial law well past a threat to democracy.
If the goal was to acquire power then martial law, during peace, would be it’s tool, kiwi style. To implement martial law during peace time is to worship power itself. Again, it’s clear to me after reading as much literature as I can, Jacinda just doesn’t think about the acquisition of power prefering instead to find enlightenment from expert advice.
Natural the more chaotic side of politics as in martial law is naturally, unenlightened.
Taking this a step further is has been surprising Jacinda has been able to contend with the economic masters of the universe and is impressive that she has been able to keep her own motley crew together and is also considered the superior debater over her national party equivalent.
So if you the reader take all of this into account and realise that Jacinda is not even using the more chaotic side of politics and naturally powerful side, then it begins to make sense why a Jacinda gone rotten is just mathematically impossible as to eclipse the power of a four term Holyoak National Government.
A Jacinda gone rotten, giving herself over to monsters like the memory of Hitler is simply a hypothetical.
Here I have made the thought of a Jacinda gone rotten just to show how destructive the more chaotic side of power is, if Jacinda was to ever turn that way.
Again this all goes against the character of Jacinda in the first place and would never happen.
Meanwhile, 50 Wiri prisoners test positive and 600 locked down
This is a protest that I will 1,000% support: https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/02/17/10000-health-workers-vote-to-strike-as-omicron-wave-hits/
Thank you for your support Kheala.
You (plural) are our life support.
About 1,000 people are “protesting” in Wellywood, according to today’s Dom Post.
TEN thousand overworked, under-resourced health workers are about to strike.
Yet despite the numbers difference, and despite the need and urgency, it is unlikely that the health workers will get an equivalent amount of media coverage. Will we even notice, I wonder, until someone we care about is hospitalised with Covid and the staff are struggling to cope.
So if the Omnishambles infection rates between unvaccinated and vaccinated are relatively similar; our overall vaccination % rate is somewhere in the mid 90s; and we aren’t seeing rafts of unvaccinated in the hospital ICU beds – what is the need for mandates?
Why don’t we have mandates for Measles or other infectious diseases where a vaccine exists?
Why have some of the most logical and forward looking nations in the world (i.e. Scandinavia) ditched all covid restrictions with omnishambles? Are they not trusting the “science”?
As a triple vaccinated individual I am yet to see a valid scientific argument for keeping mandates for Omnishambles. While I disagreed with them for previous strains I could at least see a valid counter argument for them given they were worse viruses. With omnishambles there isn’t from what I can see a valid scientific argument for mandates (which is separate from restrictions such as mask and density restrictions that I disagree with but can see an argument for).
I can see LOTS of political science arguments though…….
Disturbingly again, I somewhat agree. Theories are going out the window here. Time will tell.
Good. I’d argue more and more people are seeing Omnishambles for what it is – the endgame.
But here’s the clicker – the situation won’t change for probably 12 months. We are going to (post the surge) have a baseline omnishambles rate of probably 1,000-2,000 per day (refer the rest of the world) for months if not years on end.
Soooo are you prepared to have the traffic light red in place for the rest of the year which means – 75% of hospitality/retail are shitcanned; no concerts/sporting events; lack of options to travel (airlines won’t come); mandates and mask usage for months on end and more looney tunes individuals popping out of the woodwork.
When the masses realize this is the new norm we are going to be one fucked up place……
“When the masses realize this is the new norm we are going to be one fucked up place”… A bit late for that… I got back in the country less than a monthe before lockdown, and the first thing I noticed was just how munted the place already was.. I watched the development of what NZ has become while in NZ up to 2014, and was glad to get away.. What I came back to was simply the same shit, but with 6 years of continuous degradation of practically everything that counts… Under the “yank” key, the reality for lower “class” kiwis became even more hopeless than after the Richardson assault on the NZ economy, and it’s people(except the “right” people of course)… The closest thing I can describe the paradigm here to is “Stockholm Syndrome”.. As the years of assaults and abuses rained upon the weakest and most vulnerable in society has inured the population to the atrocities perpetrated by a criminal cabal the national party turned into under Keys direction, to the point where they have become addicted to the abuses… I can’t think of a better reason to willingly support the destruction of NZs manufacturing base, health infrastructure, degradation of educational standards, and corruption of the judiciary, which was all carried out openly… What we are seeing is the backlash to those abuses finally showing out.. This idiocy over vaccines is just an excuse to throw a tantrum.. The real enemy is the group who would carry on with turning NZ into a rich peoples playground with a compliant, and repressed local population…. Of course, tories have no memories of any of this.. Why would they? With only one eye open one loses their depth perception, and my word, isn’t the perception of reality so shallow, and self serving from those that profited at the expense of their own people…. As you obviously fail to grasp the enormity of the crimes committed against NZers, by your preferred party, you are simply a part of the problem… I will eventually get away again, once my Mother passes on, and that will be both heartbreaking, and a relief to be back in the real world again…
For the first time is kinda agree with you. Outside of your total blame on National (only a tribal would ignore Labour’s role) you raise some valid points.
What the current leadership has done however has been to shamelessly pour political vinegar on these wounds and then denounce the wounded for being wounded.
100% I’m concerned by the rise of the elites – be it political, corporate or bureaucratic. HOWEVER I believe we are literally years away from a great developed world revolt – but it won’t be the poor – it will be the working poor and ultimately their politics with be traditional conservative right as leftwing liberalism is now intrinsically linked to big corporate, big government and big bureaucracy.
Omnishambles the endgame? I don’t think so. Most if not all epidemologists would argue there’s another variant on the horizon, if we are lucky similar to Omicron but just as likely more like Delta. The endgame then?
Yes there is very likely another variant on the horizon but the selection pressure on a respiratory virus is to become more infectious but LESS severe over time.
A respiratory virus will be more competitively successful spreading from host to host if the virus is more infectious (obviously) AND if the host is healthy and mobile enough to mingle with other people and not look so sick that they are avoided (in contrast the opposite is true of the malaria parasite, where the host being flat on their back makes it easier for mosquitoes to land and draw blood, to continue the parasite life cycle).
I thought it was going that way too, more infectious, less severe, but then I heard a epidemiologist from the UK recently say it could go either way after omicron, the next variant just as likely to be more severe, ie, like Delta. Granted his was just one view, albeit arguably a professional one. He certainly gave the impression he knew what he was talking but that’s no guarantee he’s correct. I’m not entirely sure what the professional consensus among epidemiologists is.
Time will tell.
Well we shall just to to wait and see what they release from the labs next time.. Sorry, I mean bats of course.
SADLY It has invariably been political science versus science. And in a media controlled country, political science has won out.
I also agreed with Martyn in Jan 2020 about the coming covid problem, having followed Chris Martenson for a dozen plus years now.
BUT by about June/July information was there about the efficacy of Ivermectin, HCQ, Sunlight (vit D), Vit C and Zinc.
By Delta onwards it was NO LONGER about health, other than potentially saving the HUGE political embarassment of our health system falling over under a ‘seriously bad flu’ season.
Though I’ve followed Martyn (also for a dozen or more years) and have been greatfully for his inights that are invariably correct. IMHO he’s been so wrong with Covid over the last year or more.
So hey, he’s not God. How surprising.
Thanks for all your great work Martyn.
Scandinavia) ditched all covid restrictions
Denmark, population 5.8 million: 4,250 Covid deaths
AO/NZ, population 5 million: 53 Covid deaths
Apples with Oranges Kheala – we aren’t connected to the EU and can deny entry to and from the country. Europe is an interesting example though when comparing the relative restriction application and it’s effects on covid-related fatality. Comparing apples with apples and all.
Also do we want to do an all of health comparison with Denmark? Perhaps a road fatality comparison? One can manipulate statistics to suit one’s arguments – the issue here is for someone to provide a compelling argument based on scientific and health fact for the continuation of mandates.
Good point, – we have a natural moat which we can switch on/off at any time denying access, not so the European nations. As I said right back in the beginning several years ago, the moat has by and large minimized ‘spread’.
You’re mixing historical data with present data.
That’s where the present Covid mandae arguements breaks down.
It should be about how is Omicrom playing out.
It is NOT the original HORRID strain, that Jacinda made the 50/50 call to close us down, THANK GOD.
You forgot to mention that they are deaths with covid, rather than covid deaths.
Convenient?
You don’t get it. Denmark had COVID so most of those 4250 died WITH COVID. If NZ had COVID our number would have been much the same.
Yep.
This is just it, F t T. And unfortunately where Martyn leaves off…
I mean really, these guys seem to want to talk actual mechanics/parameters/whatever behind assertions that “the mandates are still necessary”. People will have differing views on that, and reasonable people will differ on the details. But the notion that one view or another is a “dogwhistle” to one or another viewpoint – stuff we have heard from Ministers v recently just-cos-Seymour-said-it – is ludicrous.
FWIW, personally the closest I have heard the PM get to this discussion was saying sometime last week that countries now easing restrictions are “further through the course of the pandemic than NZ is” or something similar to that. We can’t cos we’re not there yet. Obvs I paraphrase.
This doesn’t stack up to me, not if the vaccines don’t prevent transmission of omicron and we don’t have crystal clear and fulsome analysis of who hospitalised cases are etc etc. Etc. Etc etc. Lots to get on the table and I’d like to hear some more about that position.
Unfortunately we don’t have any of that and people are told “just go home”. Some leadership.
Just to add to this, I understand that Ardern on AM Show today said we still have Delta and have people in hospital with Delta, so vaccines help. She is also asserted that vaccines reduce transmission by 50%, and therefore mandates are important.
That’s much better stuff, but let’s have the supporting data, and put into much more of the contemporary context. And have the PM discuss it, respectful that she might properly field challenging questions. Science proceeds – and here good public policy ought to proceed – by positing lots of hypotheses and attempting to disconfirm them, rather than positing one and seeking to confirm it.
Frank I am not sure the rates are roughly similar, and those forward thinking Nordic countries aren’t necessarily an apples to apples comparison with us anyway . The Swedes for example had thousands of deaths so between vaccine and exposure are dealing with a different dynamic
On top of this Delta has not vanished by any stretch
What is the end game then? Agree different countries responses as apples for oranges although if there is a logical end game for mandates – when is it given we are approx. 95% vaxxed and case loads will be significant for months still.
Would you be happy to be in ‘red’ in December with another summer of no concerts, sporting events and masks? If case numbers are still in the thousands by that stage there isn’t much of an argument to lift restrictions is there?
I certainly agree there needs to be communication on what the needs for Covid measures are to be moving forward. By saying international travel is back on in October (?) I think it’s obvious we are moving in a more relaxed direction and have been for some time. Last year Arden was getting shit for not being cautious enough. Remember Maori genocide? Then a few weeks ago there was a lot of comments about now we are ” on our own” on this very site.
With regard to the protest however, ‘get rid of all mandates NOW’ is just bollocks
To answer your question, no I would not be happy if there were no concerts/sporting events (that you can attend) by next December. With changes to isolation rules, international travel etc, I see that as very unlikely (based on current strains) Masks I am not that fussed about. Rather not have them but if that was the only measure then its not a deal breaker
If the infection rate for the unvaccinated (who are apparently excluded from society by the mandate) is similar to the rate for the vaccinated (who are able to experience a level 2-ish life), then what would the unvaccinated rate be if they were allowed into the same settings that is currently restricted to only the vaccinated? Might it be higher and lead to an increase in hospitalisations/fatalities?
Well there’s a whole bunch of them in Wellington without masks, perhaps we should see how they are. Most seem happy and well, and among them are dble vaxxed and non vaxxed. Or does that seem too scary for govt narratives?
I believe you have hit the nail on the head. Something smells rotten in Denmark with this mandate carry on, and if we were to replace Denmark with New Zealand, we’d be closer to the truth.
I concur, nicely articulated Martyn.
I see no evidence that thIs Occupation is a Left protest against all the inaction of this Labour government.
Apart from the nasties who are using the protest, and a variety of complete nutters, I see the rest as just selfish people. Yes, ordinary New Zealanders, but full of purely self-interest.
I normally use my real name in comments here. But think it unwise in this context.
They are a tiny minority group, end of story.
They might be a tiny minority group and you can call them whatever names but they are New Zealanders and are worthy of respect and to be heard and given an answer.
Agree they should have an answer (which they probably won’t like) but respect is a two way street. I would argue all those protestors who have not had a f’ing shred of respect for the multitude of people/businesses they are impacting need to reflect on that.
Bystander: ‘Officer that person just abused me for wearing a mask and getting vaccinated’
Officer : Its ok innocent bystander they are New Zealanders’.’
Bystander ‘oh well that’s different then…please carry on’
worthy of respect
Especially when they are throwing faeces at people, as happened this a.m, as per Herald article.
They have been given the answer to why mandates were put in place, what other questions did they have. Besides when they make statements ” end the mandates” that is something entirely different.
And yes they are a tiny minority, that is accepted.
30% isn’t a tiny minority anymore Bertie. Sure a minority but not tiny
The 30% was based on a very small sample. I am sure, like me, many would express absolute sympathy with the right to protest. It is the manner of this protest that I find selfish:
1. Taking ownership of Parliament grounds and preventing the access/throughway of others, in what is a public space.
2. Blocking normal streets and effectively preventing (i.e. by extreme inhibition) legitimate business/social activity.
3. Preventing the use of the bus station and even misusing facilities of the station (shelter used as a shower facility).
4. Abusing members of the public – even children.
I am disgusted by the lack of action by this government on social housing, child poverty, poverty in general, mental health, and employment (e.g. no repeal of the Employment Contracts Act). But I do not believe that this protest is really about such fundamental societal wrongs.
You seem to have massively scaled up the numbers @frank.
Last time I looked the people at the location of ignorance (being generous and saying 1500) represent 0.03% of the population.
Where does the 30 % come from Frankie?
Online polls have support for the protestors/mandate removal at 30-odd percent. Horizon has done one and I believe Farrar has as well.
I saw one today, I think from Stuff at 25% so perhaps like the 75% we have had enough of the protesters.
And don’t think Luxon’s performance in front of the cameras today will increase the percentage, if anything, it will only increase the majority,on a day we incurred two more deaths.
Weren’t the ‘anti Sprinbok tour’ also a tiny minority at some point?
You just don’t get it, they ARE a tiny minority, their numbers swell due to professional protesters, anarchists and conspiracy theorists making for false numbers.
The protestors are a cross section of society, many of them professionals and working people inc police who have had their jobs terminated because of mandates. There maybe a small percent who are either there to make trouble or others acting as agent provocateurs. Sad that the MSM seem focused on the latter which coincidently seems to mirror the beehives narrative…
respect goes both ways and the protestors are not showing much respect to anyone else in Wellington.
Consider all the “tiny minorities” the left panders to (i.e. the “divide and conquer” principle at the core of identity politics). A PM who claims to “govern for all NZers” (blatant lie) should pay attention to the concerns of 1000 people who have lost their jobs and businesses because of the narrow-minded policies of the Labour government when an alternative approach i.e. rollout of rapid antigen tests in late 2021 would have allowed them to keep their jobs while being tested regularly and keeping themselves and others safe without being forced to take the “hit and miss” (according to current data) mRNA “vaccines” and boosters.
Hit and miss describes a good number of the RATs. Testing does not remove the need for high vaccination rates, it’s complimentary if anything.
Fair enough Cosmos, probably a good idea.
Fair comment but one does have to question;
Has Ardern been nothing but a figurehead for the pale stale males in the Labour party (hence the conflict with the Labour Maori caucus – pretend 3 Waters and He PouPopu are important but disregard then anyway)?
For where is her fabled leadership now? Has anyone seen Ardern? Has she made a declaration for the path forward? Interesting to see her name mentioned in tandem with Trudeau in Canada. Both her and Trudeau were and are missing in action during the uprising so as to distance themselves from the conflict ahead. A conflict that enables police horses to trample an elderly woman to her death.
https://tomluongo.me/2022/02/19/trampling-the-truckers-the-great-reset-becomes-the-great-awakening/
Will New Zealand follow Canada in state fascism? How long before we need to carry an vaccine passport (identification card?) like one has to in Italy, simply to be part of society?
100% Bomber
According to a Curia poll taken at the protest on Sat 19/2: “37% of protesters sampled voted for Labour or the Greens. 22% voted for National or ACT” ruh, roh. Those pesky “white supremacists” https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/parliamentary-protest-poll-results-february-2022
Not sure what your point is? That 63% didn’t vote “left”? 22% would have been voting for Judith which is frightening on its own.
Points to note in my opinion is the “far-right extremists and neo-nazis” media narrative is flimsy at best and that there may well be a significant portion of the voting public who won’t be voting Labour or Greens again in 2023.
Well it showed 63% of the protest group polled didn’t vote left and went to more right leaning options.
Curia are part of the dirty politics team that have been influencing right wing/tory commentators. A joke poll – Mark Richardsons impromptu polls on am show had more credibility. Those feral nutters are right wing or far right. Thats why right wingers like Luxon, Seamore, Waititi, Tamaki, Coutts, Hyde, Bridges, Pugh, Hipango, McKee, etc openly sympathise with them. They are making no-mandate an excuse – they are basically anti Labour and hate Jacinda and Dirty Politics team has cleverly manipulated and mobilised the right. Only dirty politics operatives could turn Mallards sprinkler fun into the focus of the protest.
Once again it looks like Jacinda is going to be right while the right wing commentators, media, are still talking BS since the start of Covid. NZers are sick of the protest. It was fun and entertaining at the start but now its embarrassing and boring and everyone needs to piss off.
Bring on Dirty Politics #8.
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/parliamentary-protest-poll-results-february-2022
I saw this interesting poll about who these protesters are.
I agree about Jacindas response to the pandemic and I have always said so.
Of course we are note going to change these peoples minds about the evil vaccine and all the conspiracy stuff. But sit done and talk to them about the mandates. Hear their concerns about the mandates. Try and find common ground. Stop using phrases like a river of filth. Disgusting
I see the peace, love and faeces throwers are in action this morning. What a shit throw.
Not more government mis -information?
Except for a breathless account by a Jack Nobody on ZB, it is not been confirmned by the Pravd influenced MSM web sites. Nothing in Stuff, Newshub or the Herarld.
If this was true it would be front page.
Surely police health and safety would demand hazmat suits then for the front liner officers. We seeing any?
The Herald’s shameful spin-doctoring!
Here is the article: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-omicron-parliament-protest-security-surge-as-police-vow-to-crack-down-on-abuse-intimidation-or-violence/L6CP6O7NTILKWJ3JISZS6KMKZU/
Here is the intro para:
Defiant Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has told Parliament’s protesters to go home – as dozens of police officers moved en masse this morning to blockade several Wellington roads, in a face-off with the protesters.
The dictionary meaning of the word “defiant” is: “Proudly refusing to obey authority”.
The given example of use is: “The protesters blocking the entrance to the offices remained defiant this morning.” (From Cambridge English Dictionary.)
In calling the PM “defiant”, the Herald is according authority to the mob of protestors and is subjugating the role of the PM to the whims of that mob.
Shame on them!
Good point Kheala. The media seem good at hyperbole and the tall poppy syndrome . I don’t like the way that their poor little fingers can’t spend the micro second to start job titles with capital letters,. People taking responsibility for difficult jobs often. They deserve to have the job stated in neon; eg medical officer of health.
+1 Totally agree with this. “Why the protestors are wrong and why I support Jacinda 100% over Covid”.
But can we have more news about things other than the protests and vaxxs/covid and woke identity related subjects?
The world’s biodiversity is being destroyed after all which will take out blacks, trans, middle class, globalists, anti globalists and most capitalists and communists, so it’s a broad church of destruction.
Instead foreign extremists against democracy and for capitalist totalitarianism seem to be all the lefties, righties and every media in-between can talk about and helping the organised distraction…..
Look past the distraction to what else is happening and what should be happening to avoid it.
On the distraction note, what else has happened recently that could be talked about instead of the protests…..
Revealed: Credit Suisse leak unmasks criminals, fraudsters and corrupt politicians
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/feb/20/credit-suisse-secrets-leak-unmasks-criminals-fraudsters-corrupt-politicians
Macron makes last-minute diplomatic bid as US warns Ukraine invasion imminent
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/putin-and-macron-agree-to-try-and-secure-ceasefire-in-eastern-ukraine
World spends $1.8tn a year on subsidies that harm environment, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/17/world-spends-18tn-a-year-on-subsidies-that-harm-environment-study-finds-aoe
Bitcoin miners revived a dying coal plant – then CO2 emissions soared
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/18/bitcoin-miners-revive-fossil-fuel-plant-co2-emissions-soared
Villawood, Australia’s largest immigration detention centre, said to be ‘awash with drugs’
A small cohort of guards is smuggling at least $10,000 worth of drugs into the centre every week, sources in Sydney facility claim (Serco)
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/21/villawood-australias-largest-immigration-detention-centre-said-to-be-awash-with-drugs
UK ‘weakening threat to Kremlin by failing to close property loophole’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/20/uk-weakening-threat-to-kremlin-by-failing-to-close-property-loophole
Ethiopia starts electricity production at Blue Nile mega-dam
Sudan and Egypt see the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam as a threat, but Ethiopia sees it as essential for its development. (you have to wonder why they do not use low cost solar panels to generate electricity?)
Photos: The devastation caused by Storm Eunice in western Europe
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2022/2/20/photos-the-devastation-caused-by-storm-eunice-in-western-europe
Pat Baskett: Buying our way out of a big problem
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/sustainable-future/pat-baskett-buying-our-way-out-of-a-big-problem
Anne Salmond: The folly of carbon farming with pine trees
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/sustainable-future/folly-of-carbon-farming-with-pine-trees
Pro Talks: NZ awarded humiliating ‘fossil’ status at COP26
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cop26/pro-talks-nz-awarded-humiliating-fossil-status-at-cop26
A Staggering Amount of Amazon Rainforest Disappeared Last Month
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2022/02/a-staggering-amount-of-amazon-rainforest-disappeared-last-month/
Kiwi’s links to threat to crucial rainforest
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/video/dreams-dollars-and-destruction-of-a-rainforest
The 60k strong oceans petition gets through to Parliament
http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/398468
Instead of concentrating on what is different and does not unite people and the planet, it would be better (and avoiding 100% right wing propaganda distractions) if there was more focus on what should be uniting all people such as saving ourselves from climate/environmental destruction.
Don’t you mean Covid has divided the country as our country was already divided by neo liberalism as the trickle down has trickled up and continues to do so. And so we have the have and have nots and the have nots are increasing at a fast rate.
So very true!
There is a big difference between the attitudes the governments can exercise in crises, they can inspire the citizens or coerce them. The latter has always negative reactions, the more so when it is designed to cover the incompetence.
“Yes employers have the right to make vaccinations as part of a reason to hire someone, no employers can’t sack an existing employee for not being vaccinated, yes we should incentivize getting vaccinated, yes we need better community messaging no no no no no we can’t force mandatory vaccinations.”
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/09/03/the-type-of-state-that-would-force-an-injection-on-an-individual-against-their-consent-is-no-state-to-defend-or-support/
So what about out teachers? Our health care workers?
“Right after getting the vaccination I’d be out protesting against forcing people to get the vaccination (while telling them they are fools to not get the vaccination!).”
What happened?
Like that last line – ‘The Daily Blog – come for the hilarious political insight, stay for the nuance.’
What does that matter? 70% were not
That was in relation to Jeremy’s comment saying the majority of the protestor’s voted Labour in the last election. Nice spin Jeremy
Did the protestors vote for Tamaki’s Vision New Zealand party?
There were 2,886,427 million votes cast. They got 4,236.
I can see them cracking 5,000 next time round but if they get 5% (is that 144,000?) Hannah will be in on the list. And Brian will be her office boy and so on the state payroll.
Maybe it’s a bit of a hard ask to get that many so if they can work with the morons and lunaticsand attack Parliament and get rid of the elected government, they won’t have to worry about numbers.
It’s clear in the present fuss some think that’s how it should happen.
“Now I will criticise Labour all day until I am blue in the face over their lack of transformation on issues like poverty, housing and climate change,”
The sad situation they relieved National of having to manage…. Then Covid struck no doubt diverting much energy and finances towards Covid management. In the meantime Key and his mates – the Chinese gentlemen who made their money in the sex industry of Auckland – and his apprentice, Max, are diving into property market development. Now capitalising on the impact of swamping NZ / Auckland housing with the far too many immigrants in the time of his “reign”.
On Watch, you missed out the bit about Key going hard to drive dairy conversions, denying there was even an issue with residential housing at all, and then doing a runner to head the largest of the banks that have a huge chunk of lending to home “owners” and don’t do badly out of rural debt either. Oh but it only Jacinda who is afflicted with self interest……..pull the other one, its got a waitress attached to it.
The reason he was labelled ” snake oiled salesman”. Create a problem and make money to correct it.
Correct O W, Key & associates are probably making a punt that that his protégée Luxin will be back in power to open the flood gates of immigration so that they can make another hatful.
We get what we deserve, a self serving cabal & their MSM useful idiots that has opposed everything that the govt has done to keep COVID at bay.
Key is hoping that Luxon gets in govt so he reinstates the tax subsidy on interest so he can join his property speculator mates he helped between 2010-2017 to make a killing.
A good reminder, and well said!
the Chow boys – yuck!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like we will need to redefine the meaning of “PEACEFUL PROTEST’
We know young people on their way to or from University have been abused by angry feral scum protesters for having the audacity to wear a face mask during a pandemic.
We know locals and local business have suffered abuse and intimidation from angry feral protestors. Some businesses that were already struggling have reported a 90% loss of trade.
We know despicable threats have been made by angry feral protestors.
We know the war memorial has been defaced with graffiti and used as a toilet by angry feral protestors.
We know vehicles have been parked in no parking areas by angry feral protestors and have blocked the freedom of movement of many law abiding locals.
We know these angry feral protestors are convinced they know more about Covid and vaccines than experts that have devoted their entire career to the subject matter.
We know these angry feral protestors couldn’t possibly care less about the freedom of others.
We know the suggestion some have tried to make that the Wellington occupation is a “PEACEFUL PROTEST” is a complete charade……….then this today
Police statement: Protesters threw human waste at police; seven officers injured.
Police have just issued a new statement about this morning’s operation at the occupation site in and around Parliament grounds.
It includes this:
Seven officers sustained injuries during the operation, ranging from scratches to an ankle injury.
Some officers also had human waste thrown over them by protesters.
Deliberately infecting someone with disease is a serious offence punishable by 14 years imprisonment.
Likewise attempting to do so attracts a significant penalty.
Police will be investigating and will hold to account those identified as responsible for these actions.
Luxon has just called for the end to mandates after the Omicron wave.
This is an old National ploy.
To predict what the government is going to do and announcing it as their own policy before the government.
Anybody thinking the government wants mandates to continue after Covid to control us is as bat shit crazy as the protestors.
When Labour loses The Guardian, you know it’s lost
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/feb/22/two-years-have-passed-since-the-covid-pandemic-began-but-new-zealand-icus-still-arent-ready?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR38TtoHJje65qaxX2lPJMSgZf9R1tia1C_yuog8q4B9DzyZwiSl20g7bl4
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