And it begins – why you must fight woke free speech criminalisation! Use your voice before the Government takes it away!

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Fresh from attempting to cancel a movie they haven’t seen, the emerald stormtroopers of the woke are coming for you with hate speech legislation designed to punish thought criminals and word crimes.

Today it’s Qanon, Nazis and Trump Incels being targeted, tomorrow it’s radical environmentalists and critics of free market capitalism who will be getting punished, so don’t cheer too loud.

You will face a longer sentence in prison for offending an easily triggered ‘protected group’ (their actual wording) on Twitter than you would if you actually assaulted someone.

Hate speech: Government plans new law, tougher penalties

Hate speech will become a criminal offence and anyone convicted could face harsher punishment under proposed legislative changes.

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The Government has this morning released for public consultation its long-awaited plan for the laws governing hate speech.

The plan is part of the Government’s work to strengthen social cohesion, in response to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Christchurch terror attack.

2021 is the year when the NZ Free Speech vs Hate Speech debate explodes, destroying friendships, cancelling half the country and abusing the remaining rest.

Alliances will be torn asunder, political debate will never be the same and a level of toxicity will seep into public discourse that will ensure a polarisation unseen in NZ.

When the insanity of what is about to be released is over and the wasted political landscape despoiled, not one New Zealander will be safer from white supremacy terrorism and the only winners will be ACT, NZ First and National.

So how the hell did we get here, what the hell is going to happen and what possible solutions should we be looking for instead?

How the hell did we get here?

The looming hate speech debate is supposedly a response to the white supremacist terror attack in Christchurch, but the solutions of criminalising hate speech are all identity politic based intersectionist roulette virtue signals that will obscenely use the terror attack to justify gagging speech that the woke can’t tolerate while not protecting us from another white supremacist terror attack!

Blasphemy Law?

If NZ passes religious hate speech laws, I’m afraid I have no choice but to immediately break that law for the sake of our Democracy!

Remember, this new religious hate speech law will specifically target ‘hate’ towards religious beliefs???

But many religious beliefs are ridiculous. Under this law, ‘The Life of Brian’ would be considered hate speech…

From the archive, 30 August 1979: Nothing funny about Life of Brian’s Jesus joke

The Catholic archdiocese has called Life of Brian a “blasphemy”, adding that it was a “crime against religion which holds the person of Christ up to comic ridicule.”

The Jewish groups are equally damning. They regard the film as “grieviously insultlng,” and have described it as “a vicious attack on Judaism and the Bible, and a cruel mockery of Christian religious feelings as well.”

…I philosophically hate religion for many, many, many fucking good reasons, but because NZ is a liberal progressive democracy, I tolerate religion.

I tolerate Scientology, I tolerate the Exclusive Brethren & I tolerate those who believe in a magical invisible flying wizard for all their personal choices!

I also tolerate that they don’t pay tax – BUT I SURE AS FUCK refuse point blank to fear them!

We lose free speech to criticise religion? How the hell is that anything other than a victory for the terrorist?

This is a liberal progressive SECULAR Democracy, if you want to believe in crazy myths and crazy invisible magical flying beings, that is your total right to, but equally, it’s my right to mock those beliefs when they collide with my individual rights

Gender Identity Hate Speech?

I read the terrorist’s manifesto and I don’t recall him referring to Trans Allies or gender identity, so why criminalising the misuse of pronouns is being mooted as a response to white supremacy terrorism is utterly beyond me!

It’s particularly galling because the problem wasn’t hate speech laws, the problem was that the entire Intelligence apparatus of NZ didn’t bother doing their job, which is to protect us from the next possible terror threat!

This is the list of the NZ security apparatus, many acronyms you’ve never heard of, who are supposed to keep us safe with mass surveillance powers from this very type of terrorism, and I WILL CONTINUE PRINTING THIS LIST until you start appreciating how enormous a failure this was…

  • The SIS (Secret Intelligence Services)
  • The GCSB (Government Communications Security Bureau)
  • The NSG (National Security Group)
  • The Police Intelligence Unit
  • The CNSN (Cabinet National Security Committee)
  • The ODESC (Officials’ Committee for Domestic and External Security Coordination)
  • The SIB (Security and Intelligence Board)
  • The CTCC (Counter-Terrorism Coordinating Committee)
  • The NICC ( National Intelligence Coordination Committee)
  • The IAD (Intelligence and Assessments Directorate)
  • The NRU (National Risk Unit)
  • The NSPD (National Security Policy Directorate)

…the failure was with that list, that list who cost us over $100million each year to ensure this type of atrocity fuelled by extremism doesn’t rupture and cause mass loss of life!

To fucking pretend that Gender Identity Hate Speech is a response to this abomination of an intelligence failure is fucking infantile!

Why don’t we call this push for Gender Identity Hate Speech for what it really is? The criminalisation of Rachel Stewart & Ani O’Brien.

You have all seen how feral the trans debate between Gender Critical Feminists (TERFS by their enemies) and the Fourth Wave Feminist, Non Gender Binary Activist, Trans Ally Woke Stormtroopers has been online.

We’ve all seen the woke public shaming and cancel culture lynchings erupt in our social media feeds, like violent 1930s street fights as various factions attempt to mutilate the other for dominance.

The bewildering venom from this schism makes feuding Drug Cartels look tame.

I am putting money on the table that within a month of this law passing, it will be immediately seized upon by the woke to make criminal complaints against leading voices of the Gender Critical Feminist movement, people like Rachel Stewart and Ani O’Brien for old tweets they will have sent arguing their case.

Reasonable people would say I’m being hyperbolic in making that claim, to which I would reply, ‘Comrade, you’ve seen how this fight gets waged in your own social media feed, you know in your waters I am 100% right’.

This schism is so bitter, so cruel, so relentless in its defining the other as Nazis on meth, that a billion petty vendettas will immediately exploit this new hate speech law to wage final retribution on their enemies.

You’ve seen the Wellington Twitteratti in action, you know they can’t help themselves.

Maori Party Stasi 

The older I get, the more horrified I am at the suggestions made by woke ‘progressives’.

Now before I start, let’s be clear I don’t agree with racism nor do I agree with threatening communications.

I am pro the Maori Party, believe they are a crucial voice in NZ politics and I see the Treaty as the founding document of our nation.

I’m one of the few Pakeha you will find who argues we need an Upper House 50-50 Maori-Pakeha.

I also hunted down and outed an actual online white supremacist who ran an Australian neoNazi website and back in 1997 on TV3 I tracked down West Auckland NeoNazis Unit88.

I also set up the MANA Party, so please, don’t dare attempt to denigrate my following criticism as racist against the Maori Party because fuck you, my record speaks for itself as a supporter of Maori Tino rangatiratanga and Nazi hunting.

But there are philosophical limits to that support and the Maori Party’s terrifying call to found our very own stasi is that limit.

Comrades, I’m a class anarchist leftist, I believe the demarcation line of power in a capitalist democracy is not between a myriad of identities, but between the 1% richest plus their 9% enablers vs the 90% rest of us. I see the State as the crucial structure to empower the many not the few BUT I also acknowledge that the State can be the biggest danger to the individual and as such demands an ever hostile check and balance over those state powers.

That’s why the suggestion by the Maori Party to demand a white supremacist stasi is so terrifying.

Of all the voices to know the dire ramifications of a politicized police force, it should be bloody Maori!

The Maori Party are citing the need for a stasi because 2 racist YouTube clips made them angry and fearful.

These videos were hunted down by woke Twitter activists who cried out a double standard over Police arresting those who threatened Simeon Brown and the slow arrest of a man who threatened the Maori Party. Turns out the arrested man has mental health issues.

The second video saw the man who made political threats against Maori lose his job, which I would have thought was a sure fire way of pushing a person into radicalized racial terrorism.

In the easily triggered world of woke intersectionist grief hierarchy, both videos are hate speech and deserving of cancellation, harassment and prosecution. In the world of actual intelligence analysis these two videos would barely cause a ripple because they wouldn’t have been deemed credible as threats.

A mentally ill loudmouth and bitter truck driving Pom are the least of our terrorism worries.

Now I disagree with Comrade Chris Trotter when he says there is no way to catch a Lone Wolf white supremacist terrorist, what everyone likes to conveniently ignore in the Tarrant case is that the SIS and GCSB did intercept files relating to guerilla warfare tactics, Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and Nowegian right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik, but because there was no secondary intelligence profile like connecting the geographical area of download with complaints from shooting ranges, Tarrant flew under the radar.

We have the capacity to catch these guys by using the existing powers focused differently, not by importing Orwell’s 1984!

Which brings us to the Maori Party’s gasp inducing demand to set up a secret police force  comprised of the SIS and the Police Intelligence Unit to hunt down white supremacists.

If any other political party asked to create a secret police force that hunts for word crimes and thought criminals there would be rioting in the street but because it’s the Maori Party and it’s aimed at something we all hate that’s somehow fine?

We already have the tools to catch and find white supremacist terror threats, what the woke activists believe however is that micro aggressions lead to macro violence so ANYONE who disagrees with them is a potential threat.

Being woke is less a philosophical discourse of objective progressive reasoning and more a faith based religion, like a cult.

And where would this new white supremacy stasi get its information from? Why the same woke Twitter cult  currently providing it.

So the Maori Party are talking about wanting a secret police who hunt down political enemies using tips offs from ideological stormtroopers?

What do you all think the right wing will do with a SIS-Police Intelligence Unit that hunts down political enemies once Labour lose the 2031 election (yes I think Jacinda can win the next 2 elections) – are we seriously considering setting up a secret police force to openly hunt political enemies with military grade mass surveillance powers?

What fucking planet are you people on?

This is the worst idea in the world and normally I’d laugh it off, but seeing the steep ascendency of middle class identity politics and their triggered feelings dictating policy and law, I think I’ll cry.

Let me be as clear as I can comrades. Don’t get tricked into creating a stasi simply because the enemy they are being set up to hunt is one you like to hate.

We have the tools to catch genuine threats, the Woke want tools to catch people they don’t like. The only ones licking their fangs in anticipation of the extra funding, powers and expansion of their remit are the SIS.

What possible solutions should we be looking for instead?

There has to be a way to protect minorities so that they have the same agency as everyone else that doesn’t buy the Left into a destructive free speech war we will lose.

Everyone in a liberal progressive democracy deserves the same agency. Muslims, Queer or Trans people shouldn’t feel abused and threatened or frightened of simply being in public.  Graeme Edgler has written extensively upon this and makes excellent points on how we could balance freedom of speech with the right to not feel threatened.

The debate must be focused on anti-harassment, not free speech!

It must also be focused on better public broadcasting and more regulations on social media (including taxes to fund that journalism) to stop the algorithms from weaponising debate.

Conclusion?

When you are class left, the demarkation of power in society is between the richest 1% and their 9% enablers vs the 90% rest of us, that’s how we win the democratic majority, but when you are a woke Identity Politics activist, all men are rapists, all white people are racist and anyone supporting free speech is an actual uniform wearing Nazi.

The mighty Nick Cave spells out the problem of cancel culture and how the identity politics woke are less progressive activists and more religious fanatics now…

…Politically there is real danger here for Labour.

The Prime Minister is emotionally welded to the Christchurch atrocity because she waded so deep through the trauma and raw pain in its aftermath.

She almost had to have her arm popped out of its socket to finally cancel the Christchurch memorial last year and only because the eruption of Covid might have tuned the memorial  into a super spreader event, and I think even Mohammed would roll his eyes over the irony  of that.

Jacinda wouldn’t be human if she hadn’t been imprinted deeply by that grief and horror, which unfortunately means she will burn any and all political capital in forcing these hate speech laws through, which is inane because this happened from a cascade failure of the intelligence services – blasphemy laws and gender identity hate speech isn’t a solution to a cascade intelligence failure!

Watching the Woke allow the entire NZ Intelligence apparatus off the hook for their total failure with the Christchurch terror attacks by demanding hate speech laws is one of the great intellectual failures of 2020 and 2021.

This government needs to spend far more time on housing, child poverty, education, welfare, infrastructure, climate change and inequality and far, far, far less time on social engineering vanity projects to criminalise you for word crimes!

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58 COMMENTS

  1. Are the woke completely certain that they are not close to an online message board that can go at this stuff like how we remember Genghis Kahn or Sun Tzu.

  2. What you do when you don’t actually have a solution to the actual serious problems of the world beginning with global warming – tinker with law changes that won’t affect someone making a profit at the expense of the planet.

  3. What because the “woke” will block you from commenting & erase from existence all your past comments as if they were never there?

        • That qualifies as the most willfully stupid statement I’ve seen on the net today.. You obviously have no idea of the history behind the British introducing muskets to the Maori… And I suspect you are proud of your ignorance…

  4. Hate speech isn’t that what we do daily on this daily blog site. Also it ain’t just the Maori party pushing for harsher measures this has been born from the Christchurch massacre. If I was the Maori party I would be careful this might come back and bite them in the bum.

    • “Hate speech, isn’t that what we do daily on this daily blog site” .. No it isn’t, and you really should think before putting such ill informed opinions in the public domain.. Hating what a person, or people do doesn’t translate as hate for the person.. Are you following me so far? Hate speech is simply the act of vocalising ones personal bigotries against certain races, or types of people, who may well have a different world view to onesself in a self serving manner… Martyn is hard hitting in his criticisms/conclusions regarding the behaviour of people, but at no time has that slipped into reactionary abuse based on his own personal triggers… Learn to spot the difference before reacting as you have..

  5. A good piece Martyn but this isn’t the beginning, this is a continuation, this is just the beginning of what affects you most.
    Nick Cave is awesome and dead right – at least the old religion had forgiveness and turning the other cheek, this lot have “ punching”, up or down but mostly down because they are middle class wankers.
    The woke are attacking the foundations of what it means for many of us to be a kiwi.
    Utilising tragedy and pandemic they have:

    *Attacked hunters by culling animals to waste without consultation (tahr)
    *Attacked all firearm users human rights with far reaching changes to gun law
    *Attacked all white people as responsible for the atrocity in Christchurch
    *Attacked all white people as responsible for colonisation
    *Attacked as “illegitimate” ownership of a ute
    *Attacked the ability to have a simple gas barbecue
    *Attacked the speed limits and increased truck tonnage instead of improving roads
    *Attacked basic democracy with co governance creeping in from he puapua

    Let’s not forget in their rush to achieve the above arrogant intrusions, their complete failure of basic governance – increased homelessness, house price increases greater than ever before, the lowest vaccination rate in the OECD and debacles in kiwibuild and mental health.
    And what do they do next?
    Attack our basic right to free speech.

    Who the fuck is going to want to live in New Zimbabwe in a few years?

      • Thanks for being the case in point SPC.

        At what point did it become ok for the woke left to impose its view on others just because they can?

        And if governing just for your tribe and not for all New Zealanders is the new thing, and removing civil rights and liberties (for our own good of course) is sweet as just because, I suggest you read some history.
        I note across social media and even here, people from other countries who now call NZ home- China, Eastern Europe and Africa all warning “this is how it starts”.

        • And you were a lefty before the last election, I call bullshit on that.Never read any of your posts that support such crap.

    • Oh poor diddums wants to carry on driving his ridiculously oversized fossil fuel guzzling truck to carry his offspring to school, to keep himself deluded that he is practicing a ‘sport’ when he goes off killing innocent animals with military style repeat action machine guns, and to keep grilling his fat juicy heart attack inducing steaks while downing his beers with his ute-driving animal-killing mates. Well, I’ve news for you diddums, the planet is heating up faster than predicted by even the most perceptive scientists. Your ridiculous and violent lifestyle is going to change regardless of any so-called ‘woke’ policy changes. Is that hate speech? Arrest me.

      • Lol.
        Judgey indeed. It’s you people making emotive yet fact free law on subjective value judgements that is going to see you out of office.

        • At least I’m not afraid to use my real name, not hide behind a stupid nom de plume like most other commentators on this blog page. And by the way, I’m no politician. But I do keep up with the latest scientific reports and I can tell you, you are very much in the dark and for that reason are very much part of the problem.

        • And you’re telling me your list of ‘attacks’ is not emotive and not subjective and is based entirely on facts? You need a good dose of reality, that’s if you could ever discern any kind of reality from your obviously fearful and privileged position.

  6. Martyn agree.
    The Labour Party aided by the Greens are turning New Zealand into a scary place to live.
    No freedom of speech,hate laws gosh the extremes of a political group wanting to control your life including your thoughts?
    Surely we’re not going to accept this?

  7. Well I see it like this, we don’t have much choice (regarding who to vote for) but we can speak out as we are doing now and keep calm and carry on.

  8. Is it then going to be illegal to HATE the Auckland City Council and their resource management teams who give consents to Construction companies to build townhouses and make huge amounts of noise and cause disruption to existing residents and if I have a “thought” of I hate listening to the 15 construction workers yelling and screaming, trucks pulling into the driveway at all hours of the morning, music blaring on top of Nail guns, power tools and banging. Will this mean that I can be prosecuted? Or is it only if I lay multiple complaints about the above? Sorry, Im confused about who the Govt is telling me I can hate or not hate meanwhile all politicians and other civil servants that make up rules and continue to take away my rights to live in my home peacefully without all this noise going on are the ones who I really actually hate because they are turning NZ into a cess pit of rubbish and making everything worse.

    • 15 construction workers yelling and screaming, trucks pulling into the driveway at all hours of the morning, music blaring on top of Nail guns, power tools and banging.
      Im just guessing but this was probably going on when your house was being build too.

      • If the workers didn’t work in the early hours would the job take many more months to complete and cost twice as much?

    • Grow up… This deliberate misrepresentation of what’s actually being said is saying more about what you lack than anything useful.. Can I assume by your comment that you have no idea whatsoever as to how little power the council has over it’s operations as a result of the “super city” clusterfuck the National government, along with Rodney Hyde inflicted on Auckland? Do you not know that Wellingtonians, after seeing how Aucklands local bodies had been neutered, rejected the same being done to them? Have I come home to a nest of total ignorami?

      • Stefan. Sometimes you can be rather rude and insulting towards persons who express opinions different from yours. This is not nice or useful; addressing issues is generally more constructive than being abusive.

        Implying that you are superior to others isn’t working either – it just makes you look a bit of a wee prick.

    • And yet Martyn you will vote for them again, because you are every bit a slave to the left as the other side are to National.
      I for one will vote ACT for the 2nd time in my life and as was the case at the lady election the primary reason Seymour got my vote was because he’s the only one on either side of the aisle fighting for free speech.
      Incidentally, hate speech is a myth. There is only speech.
      If you can’t define objectively what hare speech is (and you can’t, it’s impossible) then it’s a fantasy.

  9. Agree, this is a very dangerous phase of politics to be living through. A mandate to govern has introduced some unexpected consequences I certainly did not foresee, these arising completely obliquely from the front and centre communicated policies the left media blitz introduced to the nation. It’s worrying.

    • I saw a job ad for supermarket security guard today, seems our food supply is about to be militarised probably because of that extremely rare random act of violence down south. So it is with the government, knee jerk happy clappy reactionaries trying to micro manage every issue and eliminate all risk in the universe.

  10. I saw a job ad for supermarket security guard today, seems our food supply is about to be militarised probably because of that extremely rare random act of violence down south. So it is with the government, knee jerk happy clappy reactionaries trying to micro manage every issue and eliminate all risk in the universe.

    • Sorry all you Labour fans, but you wanted this govt, you wanted Jacinda, did you not? You wanted the country run by the left, right? You wanted big govt and state control? So why all the bleating now? You all got what you wanted. So what is the problem?

  11. Well free speech just won a massive victory today.
    4 councils in NZ cancelled meetings of the group SUFW on the basis of complaints they received from trans activists. SUFW took Auckland and Palmerston North council to court over this and won their battle in the High Court. PN and Zak council had to agree that SUFW aren’t a hate group and their meetings will be going ahead Palm North Library tonight 6 30pm and Auckland Town Hall on Sunday evening.

    I feel terrified of what is going to happen re this hate speech law.
    Labour and the Greens have been captured by trans ideology. It’s racist to enforce the use of pronouns else it’s hate speech.

    Thank you Martyn for being the only one who writes about what’s going on. Msm has been captured or is too scared to speak out

    • Anker, there are a lot of people on the right who are talking this stuff to death, look at sites such as theBFD etc. As Martyn says, this nonsense is playing into a huge increase for ACT support. At the moment in NZ it is the political right who are standing for freedom of speech and personal liberty, while the ‘left’ are standing for control of the populaiton and hate speech laws. Andrea Vance showed us that Govt is actually setting the agenda for the media to follow. This is totalitarianism in the making.

      I suggest the traditional differences difference between left and right are no longer valid. People such as small business owners or one-house landlords who traditionally might have been Labour voters are now called ‘fascist capitalists’ by the woke chardonnay-socialist inner city Labour and Green voters. These people will now be more at home with National and ACT.

      Traditional class-lefties like Martyn and Chris Trotter are now ‘pale, male and stale’ and considered undeserving of their opinions by the radical woke left. ‘Left’ has changed it’s meaning, as has ‘liberal’, both terms now describe the extremely illiberal woke foolishness of the twitterati. Defund the police (but keep them to protect the elite), remove guns and open the borders (but the elite stay safe behind their gated communities with armed guards), sacrifice your personal quality of life to reduce your carbon footprint with EVs, no international travel, local food etc, (while the elite fly the world to climate change conferences staying in luxury accomodation and lavish venues).

      The world has gone totally nuts. We are ruled by hypocrites with ideology but no basis in reality. They are not on the side of the working people.

  12. Random thought: insightful comedic genius George Carlin would have been silenced by legislation like this.
    I can think of one of his monologues in particular that would see him in trouble with ‘the authorities’ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlkxrNlp10) under this law (i.e. inciting violence).

    Restricting free-speech is fundamentally anti-intellectual.

  13. And add to this list all of those promises from 2017; Homelessness, Housing, Poverty, Health etc … all have been a failure of the Government unable or unwilling to deliver anything substantive.

    This just hands a possible coalition government of the Nazis a glimmer of hope that they can get up and across the line.

    It looked unlikely only a few months ago but is looking like a possibility.

  14. Disturbing legislation. We already have laws that take care of protecting people from actual abuse and harm and those laws have been working well enough for decades now.

    This new legislation isn’t about protecting anyone it is about empowering certain agendas and narratives and it is about giving the state the tools to censor and punish people they don’t like the views of.

    The legislation is vague and open to interpretation therefore it is very dangerous to a free society

    I wonder if calling someone a “white supremacist” will be deemed hate speech under the new laws, or do the stale, pale, males get no protection?

  15. Martyn is on the money with his reaction to the hate speech proposals. I find it difficult to understand the proposed religious speech restrictions since anyone with a basic knowledge of history would know that the reformation was a vital part of the development of the western nations in the industrial age & beyond.
    Even current events show that religious themes are responsible for many of the problems around the world so free speech needs to allow all ideas to be examined. Speaking the truth in love is advice that needs to be followed & defamation laws might need adjusting to restrict those who tell lies from the consequences of that but we have different views on many things & forced obedience to whatever politically correct view is current is totally wrong.

  16. Is Farfetched Faafoi going to apply those harmful speech laws to his own government, for instance to stamp out the ugly personal attacks and self serving relitigation from NZ House Speaker?

  17. Just an update, the Judge who ruled in the Speak Up for Women in the high court today said it was very clear to him that SUFW is not a hate group. So Max on Twitter should withdraw and apologise.

    The judge not at all pleased with Palmerston North council. Seriously breached freedom of speech

  18. Didn’t you get the memo Martyn? History tells us the the left is every bit as tyrannical as the right. Maybe more so.

    In Scotland the loons in the SDP have legislation in place that allows them to IMPRISON feminists for saying trannies aren’t real women (they’re not). Even in Tory dominated England saying the same thing gets you put on a public hate crime register. More than cancelled, you’re unemployable.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19349054.feminist-campaigner-charged-hate-crime/

    https://reclaimthenet.org/the-uks-chilling-non-crime-hate-incident-law-is-as-bad-as-it-sounds/

    Will we be sharing adjacent cells, Martyn? Because I won’t shut up!

  19. The Social Cohesion Act 2021.
    Part 1 Objective of this Act
    1. To ensure social cohesion through limiting not very pleasant speech.
    2. To ensure that if you don’t have anything nice to say you don’t say it.
    3. Schedule 1 prescribes where or to whom certain speech may be considered acceptable or unacceptable. Subject to the following considerations:
    i)those who are slightly intoxicated or totally pissed
    ii)those who talk a lot of shit in the daily course of their lives. That shit being either, but not limited to, crap, complete shit, bullshit or utter shit
    iii) those who have a speech impediment that may mean their speech may be misinterpreted as poor grammar, utter shit or just plain crap

  20. I wonder if I tell people that I don’t believe in God whether I will be judged as talking hate speech?
    As in hating people that do believe in God?
    As a matter of fact I don’t hate or disrespect people that believe in God, or a God.
    I just don’t agree with them.
    But will not agreeing with someone constitute hate speech?
    Like if you criticise the Israeli government for their policies then you are immediately branded as anti-Semetic.
    I hope not, but I can’t help thinking that this might be the eventual outcome of a witch hunt mentality that seems to be pervading our society at the moment.
    It is very unsettling, to say the least.

    • A “witch hunt mentality that seems to be pervading our society at the moment”? Along with the other pervasive, negative, destructive pervasive attitudes.

      The whole coronavirus thing sums it up. The desperation to rubbish any aspect of the pandemic and those charged with having any part in dealing with it symbolises the state we are in as a people.

      Apparently the Prime Minister at some stage exhorted people to be nice and that has been parodied and she has been ridiculed for it. If she’d said “Get out there and be arseholes to each other” she would have encapsulated the world view of many and would have been assured of having many achieve the goal without making any extra effort to the way they live their negative gloomsday lives.

  21. Sorry folks, I was being a dick suggesting you asked for this.
    This proposed law is a terrible terrible terrible thing. I read the Faafoi interview with The Nation…he’s even more vague and dodgy than Jacinda. They have no clue what they are inventing here!!!
    Forums like this blog would quickly get cancelled by the ‘permanently outraged’. In fact the ‘permanently outraged and aggrieved’ will ‘go onto steroids’, as David Seymour said to Jacinda. She of course says they won’t. Hahahaha she is quite something! What a snowflake. Amazing what she manages to shove onto this country under guise of her ‘kindness’.
    So here is my call: Support Seymour on this and also National if they promise to repeal such laws. I know it hurts you guys to even think about such a notion, but if you don’t, then people like Martyn Bradbury, and all of us here, will face jail for having ‘offensive and hateful’ opinions.
    Being falsely accused of rape is a terrible thing. This law will create similar issues on a grand scale.

  22. TheKraut,
    Once again I agree completely with your sentiments.
    Surely no one with a sense of freedom can agree where this is taking us?
    Police state, this is terrifying stuff.

  23. The absurd above is the construct of desperate, trans generational right wing scammers trying to make a run for it. They’ll know we’re on to them and it’s only a matter of time before their walls of bullshit will fall to reveal their crooked, criminal shenanigans. They’re desperately trying to cover their tracks by any means at their disposal and hijacking left wing good intentions then twisting those good intentions into a toxic swamp of hand wringing logical fallacies is a text book example of manipulative Kiwi-As crims trying to cover their tracks. Deflecting inquiry by using moral superiority and hiding lies within truisms is an old, worn out and boring tactic. Boys? You need to try harder to bullshit this writer.
    What we must remember is that our AO/NZ is a wealthy, healthy and wonderful few islands with a primary industry which produces, as its export goods, foods and other essential consumables. We live on a massive southern hemisphere market garden which is staffed by generations of agrarian professionals who can ship those essentials anywhere in the soon to be starving first world. What not many know is that the natzo’s and their crooked Big Business Boyfriends have had their flat filthy feet in the primary industry trough for generations. That’s why we’re all but broke yet we have urban billionaires.
    If labour pushes this through then it can be taken that we have no government. We are ungoverned and our country isn’t our own.
    It should give everyone who comes here to read and write sleepless nights that peter thiel with a 5 billion dollar retirement fund can buy his way into AO/NZ citizenship.
    That, right there, is a telling clue as to who owns us.
    What we must now start asking ourselves is are we prepared to fight to keep what’s ours?
    The Guardian
    Billionaire Peter Thiel amasses $5bn tax-free nest egg in retirement account
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/24/billionaire-peter-thiel-5bn-tax-free-savings
    The politicians who helped thiel broker the above scam must be placed under close investigation and thiel should be stripped of the AO/NZ citizenship and banned from returning to our AO/NZ.

  24. Agree 100% Martyn, well said.

    NZ finds itself at the edge of a very steep and slippery slope. The chilling effect already present will go into overdrive forcing what should be open and honest discussion and debate underground. Those that are brave enough to continue to speak out will very quickly find themselves scarified at the woke cancellation alter… and when the woke inquisition really begins, the majority will be stunned and shocked but will remain silent out of (justified) fear of retribution.

    The woke inquisition that is now mainstream throughout the West didn’t exist (in the mainstream at least) 10 years ago. Now one can (and soon will be) criminalized for sharing an opinion! How did this happen, and more importantly, why? My take is the woke revolution has been and continues to be artificially engineered by the Western Elite as a last gasp effort to maintain control, specifically with the purpose of divide and conquer so the masses remain divided and at each others throats.

    The woke storm troopers and their apologists are just too fucking thick to realise they’ve been programmed.

  25. Yeah good case, but I don’t know, so much should be left up to common decency, good conscience and a fair shake for all, but it isn’t…I didn’t like that Canadian woman being allowed in here to stir things up unnecessarily, then again, like many said at the time I suppose she could have been debated. It just annoyed me that when she left we are left with all the damage to clean up after her.

    All’s I reckon is this :

    ”They’re all going mad out there”,… said Uncle Hec.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpantograph-punch.com%2Fpost%2Famong-the-beech&psig=AOvVaw2nz5iZmNUyyp_Gwz0B_wRh&ust=1624798080797000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAoQjRxqFwoTCKi_29WqtfECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

  26. A terrifying moment in New Zealand history. Hate speech laws fly in the face of Separation of Church and State, such laws are an abomination..

    The natural outworking is the government claiming the moral authority to determine good and evil and judge the human heart.

  27. As Snowden would say, “this is starting to look like a ‘justifiable’ reason for the State to start to impose restrictions on peoples freedoms”.

    He’s not wrong because this is what this is looking like.

  28. >News: Judith Collins promises to reverse Government’s hate speech proposals, calls on Jacinda Ardern to front.<
    Folks, as I said, this is the time to put aside 'hate' for the other side. Collins is doing the right thing here and you all know it. And Ardern is, again, typically, is not fronting because she will be bombarded with unrehearsed question she will find difficult to answer.

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