Dear NZ – we aren’t seriously going to let the Māori Party create a Stasi are we? 

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The older I get, the more horrified I am at the suggestions made by woke ‘progressives’.

Now before I start, let’s be clear I don’t agree with racism nor do I agree with threatening communications.

I am pro the Maori Party, believe they are a crucial voice in NZ politics and I see the Treaty as the founding document of our nation.

I’m one of the few Pakeha you will find who argues we need an Upper House 50-50 Maori-Pakeha.

I also hunted down and outed an actual online white supremacist who ran an Australian neoNazi website and back in 1997 on TV3 I tracked down West Auckland NeoNazis Unit88.

I also set up the MANA Party, so please, don’t dare attempt to denigrate my following criticism as racist against the Maori Party because fuck you, my record speaks for itself as a supporter of Maori Tino rangatiratanga and Nazi hunting.

But there are philosophical limits to that support and the Maori Party’s terrifying call to found our very own stasi is that limit.

Comrades, I’m a class anarchist leftist, I believe the demarcation line of power in a capitalist democracy is not between a myriad of identities, but between the 1% richest plus their 9% enablers vs the 90% rest of us. I see the State as the crucial structure to empower the many not the few BUT I also acknowledge that the State can be the biggest danger to the individual and as such demands an ever hostile check and balance over those state powers.

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That’s why the suggestion by the Maori Party to demand a white supremacist stasi is so terrifying.

Of all the voices to know the dire ramifications of a politicized police force, it should be bloody Maori!

The Maori Party are citing the need for a stasi because 2 racist YouTube clips made them angry and fearful.

These videos were hunted down by woke Twitter activists who cried out a double standard over Police arresting those who threatened Simeon Brown and the slow arrest of a man who threatened the Maori Party. Turns out the arrested man has mental health issues.

The second video saw the man who made political threats against Maori lose his job, which I would have thought was a sure fire way of pushing a person into radicalized racial terrorism.

In the easily triggered world of woke intersectionist grief hierarchy, both videos are hate speech and deserving of cancellation, harassment and prosecution. In the world of actual intelligence analysis these two videos would barely cause a ripple because they wouldn’t have been deemed credible as threats.

A mentally ill loudmouth and bitter truck driving Pom are the least of our terrorism worries.

Now I disagree with Comrade Chris Trotter when he says there is no way to catch a Lone Wolf white supremacist terrorist, what everyone likes to conveniently ignore in the Tarrant case is that the SIS and GCSB did intercept files relating to guerilla warfare tactics, Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri and Nowegian right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik, but because there was no secondary intelligence profile like connecting the geographical area of download with complaints from shooting ranges, Tarrant flew under the radar.

We have the capacity to catch these guys by using the existing powers focused differently, not by importing Orwell’s 1984!

Which brings us to the Maori Party’s gasp inducing demand to set up a secret police force  comprised of the SIS and the Police Intelligence Unit to hunt down white supremacists.

If any other political party asked to create a secret police force that hunts for word crimes and thought criminals there would be rioting in the street but because it’s the Maori Party and it’s aimed at something we all hate that’s somehow fine?

We already have the tools to catch and find white supremacist terror threats, what the woke activists believe however is that micro aggressions lead to macro violence so ANYONE who disagrees with them is a potential threat.

Being woke is less a philosophical discourse of objective progressive reasoning and more a faith based religion, like a cult.

And where would this new white supremacy stasi get its information from? Why the same woke Twitter cult  currently providing it.

So the Maori Party are talking about wanting a secret police who hunt down political enemies using tips offs from ideological stormtroopers?

What do you all think the right wing will do with a SIS-Police Intelligence Unit that hunts down political enemies once Labour lose the 2031 election (yes I think Jacinda can win the next 2 elections) – are we seriously considering setting up a secret police force to openly hunt political enemies with military grade mass surveillance powers?

What fucking planet are you people on?

This is the worst idea in the world and normally I’d laugh it off, but seeing the steep ascendency of middle class identity politics and their triggered feelings dictating policy and law, I think I’ll cry.

Let me be as clear as I can comrades. Don’t get tricked into creating a stasi simply because the enemy they are being set up to hunt is one you like to hate.

We have the tools to catch genuine threats, the Woke want tools to catch people they don’t like. The only ones licking their fangs in anticipation of the extra funding, powers and expansion of their remit are the SIS.

 

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  1. “The older I get, the more horrified I am at the suggestions made by woke ‘progressives’.”

    To which I will respond by quoting: “If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.”

    So you must be a late developer Martyn! LOL

    • That’s a really dumb piece of propaganda by the Right. Socialism is intellectually sound whether you’re 20, 40 or 60. Only difference is initial idealism, energy, freedom to act, agitate etc lose steam as inevitably you have to get a job/become a cog-in-the-machine, get bills, get a partner, get kids, get a house/mortgage (maybe). Maybe it is true though & Rat-Boy Old-Man-With-Baby-Face Simeon Brown, Simon BRidges and Seymour Skinner et al are heartless, soulless arsehole sociopathic bastards LOL Seem like lots of sociopaths in ACT/Nat ranks.

  2. Totally agree. The Green Party leader and friends’ wholesale demonisation of white New Zealanders post the totally terrible Muslim massacre was chilling and scary enough, but at least those girls were open with their damaging judgmentalism.

    • “totally terrible Muslim massacre”
      It’s true, but the way you put that sounds like you could be writing articles for stuff.

      • Control denied – No, I do not write and have not written articles for Stuff. I’ve probably understated how I feel about the Mosque murders, and to me, the obscene, and the dishonest, and the socially damaging and opportunistic manner in which they were seized upon for political purposes.

        It was also a brutal thing to do to the traumatised and grieving Muslim community.

        • Snow White: as usual, I completely agree with your comments on the mosque murders.

          Awful, awful people, those Green party members.

          • D’Esterre- Thanks. I like to think that it was not the Green Party per se, but that was when I dumped the Greens after supporting them predating some of their MP’s jumping on their bandwagon – or perhaps even being born.

            I doubt they care about the damage that they did, or have even the wit to realise. I have apologised to so many for advising them to vote Green. Blooming Nazis.

  3. Martyn you regularly decry identity politics, and insist that you’re a “class lefty”. Yet we don’t have to wait long to find you lambasting “white privilege” or declaring your support for the presumptuously named “The Māori Party”.

    After the antics of Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer in parliament, Waititi’s infamous “caucasity” tweet, and this call for a secret police; you still think this lot are fit to wield power.

    Maybe there’s method in their madness. The more fanatical the behaviour of “The Māori Party” becomes, the more likely it is that we’ll see some embittered and unbalanced white guy staging a “Don’t take me alive” scenario. Which of course would vindicate Waititi and company in the eyes of some.

    • I don’t deny that there is white privilege and I don’t deny the importance of identity politics in terms of how you come to understand your journey in the system – I’m saying that there are far larger battles to fight if we intend to make progressive change transformative.

      • 1. What’s your definition of “white privilege”? And does a homeless white guy have white privilege?

        2. “the importance of identity politics in terms of how you come to understand your journey in the system”

        I’m not sure what you mean here – can you put it in plain English?

        • If you don’t know that you’re living in the most blessed era in history then you don’t know nothing.

      • ‘White privilege” is a myth constructed by people looking for another blunt instrument to hammer white people down with, you know the “war on whiteness” being waged these days. Divide an conquer.

        There are plenty of poor, white people living rather under privileged lives right now: where do they fit into the scheme of things? Where is there privilege?

        what even is a “white person”? Or a “person of colour” for that matter? There are a wide range of European peoples and cultures and to call them all “white people” seems pretty insulting. Same goes for “people of colour”

        Why the need to view people as monolithic identities based on their skin colour? Isn’t lumping people together based solely on their racial characteristics the definition of racism itself?

  4. “we” can’t even catch a foreign spy when it’s sitting in the fucking Beehive on a large salary for years and years, FFS

  5. This terrifies me. This is currently happening in the Uk where a woman, a mother of 6 hung tsuffragettes ribbons on a fence to voice her support for women’s rights in the context of gender ideology trumping biological sex. She has been arrested and charged with a hate crime, allegedly because the cops are saying the ribbons resemble a noose.

    Multiple examples of women being harassed and intimidated eg a university student in the UK who voiced that women have vaginas.

    So stating biological facts can lead to activists targeting and harassing you. It’s happening in NZ where two libraries cancelled a feminist groups meeting to discuss the proposed legislation which will allow people to gender self ID. This group isn’t anti trans, they are saying the new legislation intersects with the human rights act where women’s public spaces are protected, such as women’s sports, women’s change rooms.

    I am really scared of voicing my opinion in case I am targeted. I have always felt safe to voice my views up till now.
    Don’t worry about the Maori parties proposals (although I do). We already ave a situation where people’s thoughts are being policed, perfectly reasonable sciences based thoughts.
    Please everybody wake up to what is happening

    • Anker, thank you for saying it as it is.

      I am of the same mind, concerned that the time isn’t too far off, when we will be too afraid to open our mouths for fear of official retribution, as a result of our actions/speech being misinterpreted as crimes of hate, when that was not the intention. Or worse, punishment for looking at someone the wrong way!

      Not the road I want to go down in NZ.

  6. Thank-you Martyn for highlighting this. We seem to be being dragged into a very dark ‘rabbit hole’; being justified by ever increasing extreme actions. Trying to establish a legal framework, and an associated policing organisation, that basically sets out to control peoples thinking will inevitably end in a police state. No matter how essential it may seem today, such powers can and will be abused tomorrow.
    I am reminded of a quote from (I think) Benjamin Franklin “Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

  7. This is the left in 2021.
    Destroying civil rights of the population “for our own good” and deliberately ignoring the warnings of history or the once hard won rights of civilians.

    In case it isn’t self evident, the “woke cult” ( and yes they absolutely are) is in government.

  8. Absolutely bang on Bombarino.
    I would describe myself as a miserable old bugger leftie.
    But my main worry nowadays is how the young lefties (woke?) completely disregard all the learnings achieved by their forebears, usually in blood and tears, and countenance such stupidity as this issue.
    If you need to test the water simply substitute any other group for the one mentioned.
    For example how would it read if instead of white supremacists it pointed to Maori, or Inuit or sinistrals? Or maybe vegans, or farmers or shopkeepers? How about people who own cats, or people who own dogs?
    That would look and sound truly fucking terrible.
    This is no different.
    You’ve really got to get a grip on history and reality because there are some mighty powerful elements ranged against you.

  9. I wonder if the Maori Party have ever stopped to consider that having a party that spends most of its media air time yelling “racist!!!!!” at the 85% of the population who do not identify as Maori may in fact be inflaming race tensions rather than relieving them? Most of us just want to get on with everyone, and not be forced to look at each other skin deep only. Most of us do not want to be forced into taking sides in a race war.

    As a NZ citizen with DNA from all over the place (including NZ Maori) I see these two MPs as racist buffoons who appear intent to drive race relations in NZ back to the level of the 1860’s.

    The Maori Party represent far right poltics. They are a race-based nationalist group pushing for rights for one group exclusively. Socialism for the right race (just like socialism for Hitlers Aryans). I cannot understand why the NZ left does not recognise the radical difference between far right Maori nationalism and left wing colour-blind class left.

    • Nah Maori Party today ain’t far right at all. Mana is a powerful force. When it comes to policy they seem reasonably leftwing. Maori tradition has a leftwing bent “Primitive” Communism & all that. I think the “worst” you could say about them is that they’re Left Nationalist. Standing up for the rights of self-determination/self-governance of indigenous nations hardly a far right politics.

      • Left nationalist/ national socialist, do you see it Kevin?
        People that sanctify one race and demonize others are have learned nothing from history.

      • Kevin Warburton: “Nah Maori Party today ain’t far right at all.”

        What I’ve heard from them is a good deal of ethno-nationalism. This is a facet of fascism, and thus far right. In the previous century, we had some pretty egregious examples of ethno-nationalism around the world.

        The Maori party may see a focus on ethno-nationalism as being justified. Many other societies have taken the same view: it never ends well, as a look at the history of – in particular – the 20th century will attest.

        The party may well have some left-wing policies, but they’ll be swamped by the ethno-nationalism, unfortunately.

        “Standing up for the rights of self-determination/self-governance of indigenous nations hardly a far right politics.”

        Ethno-nationalism. I’ve read He Puapua: it won’t end well. This is a modern representative democracy: it isn’t possible to bring about societal transformation in the manner envisaged, without wrecking the democratic system we have in NZ.

    • and maybe you’re a racist buffoon .

      the two online examples given above were absolutely racist and the Maori party were right to call it out as such .

      get that through your head at least

      • Hemi: “and maybe you’re a racist buffoon .”

        So: no actual countervailing argument? Just epithets and insults.

        As do so many here, you’re using the term “racism/racist” inaccurately. In your lexicon, it appears to mean “stuff I don’t like”. Well: that could be absolutely anything.

        My generation understood what racism is: it’s what governments do, not what ordinary citizens think and say. Which may well be egregious prejudice and bigotry, but that’s all it is. Nobody can stop people thinking and saying mean things about each other: it’s an aspect of human nature. Maori say mean things about non-Maori: I’ve heard that sort of thing in the past. And there’s a bit of it about now, too, I notice.

        With regard to those YouTube clips, Waititi overreacted. People froth every day on YouTube: but that’s all it is. People who rant in that fashion are letting off steam. There’s never any follow-through. If there had been, the msm would have trumpeted it to the rooftops, you can bet on that.

          • Sam: “Fuck your follow through cunt.”

            Again: insult as opposed to argument. I conclude that you can’t find any reason to disagree with me, so you resort to epithets.

            Still, the moderator has allowed your comment through. It’s good to see that free speech is alive and well on this site.

        • hypocrite – this quote from you ” Mahuta . . hasn’t got the chops for that job ” –

          ” So: no actual countervailing argument? Just epithets and insults.
          As do so many here, you’re using the term “racism/racist” inaccurately. In your lexicon, it appears to mean “stuff I don’t like”. Well: that could be absolutely anything. ”

          reducing racism to a ‘ rant does not justify being racist

          now that’s an accurate use of the term racism / racist .

          i don’t condone Maori saying mean things to non – Maori
          however if someone is out of line / offensive , they get it back regardless of any race .

          • Hemi: “…if someone is out of line / offensive , they get it back regardless of any race.”

            Hemi, I’ve read pretty much all of the comments on this thread. Many of us are critical of Waititi and the Maori party: that’s not “racist”, even on the contemporary lazy and inaccurate definition of that term. None that I’ve read has been insulting.

            However: some responses – from commenters who have previously identified themselves as of Maori descent – have eschewed argument in favour of outright insult. It doesn’t contribute in any way to the debate. Crikey: anybody’d think that this is the Whaleoil blogsite!

            Screaming “racist!” at people will shut them up, but it won’t change what they think. That’ll just come out elsewhere, and in ways the rest of us may not like.

            Better by far to have opinions out in the open, where we can see and challenge them.

            • Unemployed pre school teachers of course would try and curate the internet of words and instantly confuse The Daily Blog with Whale oil in order to signal to like minded people. That is the only tool of the unemployed pre school teacher who desires support and widespread adoption of there unemployed dogma and ideology 🙂

    • Interesting thoughts Ben.
      I have Maori friends in Whakatu who have done well in business and athleticism who are uncomfortable with this divisive uptick zeitgeist. Recent decades have been good for them. They’ll admit that there is perhaps a spectrum of benefit among Maori in terms of settlement trickle-down. They don’t like seeing fb comments featuring Maori calling other Maori who are not onboard with the current He Puapua powerplay “Plastic Maori”. Sub-divisions further benefit the elites. We are all in shackles to the 0.01%… the puppeteers of the UN/WEF/BIS/IMF. There can be no egalitarian balanced capitalism/socialism society with their ubiquitous divisive influence.

    • Ben Waimata: “I wonder if the Maori Party have ever stopped to consider that having a party that spends most of its media air time yelling “racist!!!!!” at the 85% of the population who do not identify as Maori may in fact be inflaming race tensions rather than relieving them?”

      Yup. Judging by what I’ve heard in the community, that’s exactly the effect it’s having. I do not know if they’d expected anything different: sackcloth and ashes maybe? But that’s not generally how humans respond to being insulted. They themselves would react in exactly the same way, were the boot on the other foot.

  10. My guess is that police wouldn’t have cared less about the mental state or history of a poor brown person being arrested, but really why should they. If someone threatens murder then there should be non negotiable consequences, everyone treated the same under the law. Everything else in the public sphere not illegal, including journalism, satire and opinion, should be fair game, no matter how unpalatable.

  11. Pulling the “white supremacy” rabbit out of the hat is very fashionable at the moment and not just in New Zealand: Biden said it was America’s number one problem just the other day on the TEE VEE…but what is the reality?

    You could fit all NZ’s true White Supremacists into a mini van and there would still be room for hitch hikers, and this small group White Supremacists are already under close watch by the Police (and woke activists). They all got a friendly knock on the door from the cops after the Mosque Attack so obviously some list had already been compiled.

    So given that this ideological demographic is already under the thumb using the existing state apparatus, whats the point in setting up a new “white supremacist” task force?

    Is this just another race baiting publicity stunt from the Maori Party? Or do they really think NZ is crawling with Maori hating White Supremacists?

    Or is this another attempt by the woke crew to try and gain more power and control? But at what price?

    When it comes to giving the state new powers be very careful what you wish for

    • XstraightXedgeX: “You could fit all NZ’s true White Supremacists into a mini van and there would still be room for hitch hikers, and this small group White Supremacists are already under close watch by the Police (and woke activists). They all got a friendly knock “on the door from the cops after the Mosque Attack so obviously some list had already been compiled.”

      Exactly so. I’ve pointed out to Martyn in the past that the numbers of such people here are vanishingly small and that the security services very likely know them all by name. NZ isn’t the US. Or Australia, come to that. Societal development here has followed a very different trajectory.

      “Is this just another race baiting publicity stunt from the Maori Party? Or do they really think NZ is crawling with Maori hating White Supremacists?”

      The anti-pakeha hostility on the part of Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer is palpable: it’s every bit as virulent as the white supremacist perspectives we see in overseas polities, but really don’t have in NZ. My late mother – invoking pop-psych Freudianism – would characterise both Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer as suffering from a serious inferiority complex over their skin colour, hence their fulminations against mostly non-existent white supremacism in NZ.

      They accuse the rest of us of exactly what they themselves are guilty of: what they think of as racism. It isn’t racism of course: that’s the preserve of governments. But it surely is the most egregious bigotry and prejudice. And it isn’t ok just because it’s somebody Maori doing it to pakeha.

  12. The cult of faith-based belief systems or you could say, Captured by a Hierarchical Colonialised belief system where the lines of belief and reality collide.

    The cuzzies are a faith-based party which is pretty obvious. The regular woke memes and tik-tok video soundbites posted on all the usual media platforms have the same theme throughout.

    It is probably asking too much of them to get up to speed in their first term though they have done some good work on the fringes.

    Soon, nearer to the pending election they’ll probably need to learn how to count. Voter potential and turnout. Singing to the converted doesn’t grow the pie.

  13. Yes. Well ok then.
    I think the issues you raise above @ MB are as a result of a deep state council of thinkers planning on how to divide us lot up against us lot.
    The above will immediately make many non Maori gears grind and will make many Maori say ” At fucking last.”
    The planet’s fatally over-heating, the human population’s blowing out, mass extinctions are upon us, starvation and disease will soon become rife within what was once considered first-world countries while so called third world countries will disintegrate then expire.
    The above is about divide and conquer. While we in-fight the ‘They’ will move in on us and then we’ll be done for. My guess is it’ll be the zionists in collusion with the very, very rich elite.
    Either way, we’re done for if we start squabbling among ourselves. The last thing our new owners would want is to have to worry about how to quell the united locals.
    But that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong. Jesus, I hope I’m wrong.

    • Countryboy – Divide and rule works very well indeed, and it is working very well here in New Zealand because we are stupid enough to let it work, ergo we deserve whatever’s coming our way.

      However I doubt that our new owners will worry about how to quell the locals. Pontius Pilate simply tossed the messiahs to the dogs hovering for their bones at the feet of the crosses upon which they were crucified, before washing his hands, and continuing with business as usual. The Romans conquered their prey, but being crass, cunning and greedy, this country has been sold, and is still being sold to whoever has the dosh to pay for it. There’s probably a name for the way we are, apart from stupid.

  14. Remember Allen Ball anyone? The comatosed Taranaki farmer who was callously dumped like a sack of spuds in a jail cell by 3 cops & left to die. The cops got off scot free. This was a travesty of justice & not a jot of outrage from the MSM. This is where we are today. If Allen Ball was Maori I’m sure there would have been ‘black lives matter’ outrage right across the country. Rest in peace brother.

    • To be fair Stuff at least showed their crocodile tears and their interesting choice of lawyers, https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300324126/taranaki-officers-overcome-with-emotion-following-acquittal-of-manslaughter-charges
      well they’re all blaming their training so that speaks for itself.
      Also, Corrections, nz police and mental health services all roll into one. I have seen these three officers working in a mental health unit, unless they are a standard model synthoid, I dunno.
      A female cop masquerading as a nurse harassed me at a N.I. facility trying to provoke me into more torture:
      “If you touch me that’s assault and you’ll be put into confinement for that!” sits on my bed and refuses to leave. “And don’t say I threatened you, that’s standard procedure!” They have their rules, we have ours, and they’re different.
      RIP Allen Ball.

    • Bullshit beetty boo don’t blame Maori for the bullshit our police get away with. I knew our police would get of this. They treated Ball like shit they failed in there duty of care and our justice system failed Ball and his whanau. Our justice system is crap and I say this as a person who is and has been a victim twice over. As for all the bullshit comments on this matter some of you need to pull your fucken heads in. Unless you have walked in someone elses shoes you truly have no idea. Many of you are jumping on the bandwagon like a bunch of hyenas. As for this woke shit it’s just another made up word for not liking people who speak out and are sick and tired of the status quo.

        • Betty Boo Boo: “I’m not blaming Maori.”

          Indeed you haven’t. But don’t worry: Michelle has Form for misreading comments – or sometimes apparently not reading them at all – and leaping to the knee jerk reaction. Usually with a lot of swearing involved. As in the above comment from her.

  15. Still haven’t quite absorbed ‘woke’, nor for that matter ‘gay’ as abuse for anything weak and ‘guys’ for women and men but not ‘guy’ for an individual woman. ’84 was pretty much the last time I absorbed anything, and that was the importance of a govt controlled by the people for the people.

    You’ve been around a while, Martyn. I sometimes forget and condescend. You’re great but I just can’t get excited about your ‘woke’ stuff or Trotter’s pro-China and other things not central to the people’s cause overthrown by nitwit Roger Douglas.

  16. Ah yes: White privilege. The same privilege that is promoting and enriching Asians and Indians ahead of whites right across the western world, including here in NZ, the USA and UK.

    Or could it be that they just pay attention at school and pass their exams?

    • Andrew: “White privilege. The same privilege that is promoting and enriching Asians and Indians ahead of whites right across the western world, including here in NZ, the USA and UK.”

      Nailed it! Just been at UoA engineering graduation ceremony. A family member did a rough-and-ready count of the graduates: around 900, and the shouting majority of them were Asians from various countries in that part of the world. They dominated in the first-class honours category. Also in the Masters and PhDs, I think. Congratulations to them all for their intelligence, hard work and dedication. They richly deserve every accolade they got.

    • Hemi: “Just another middle-aged white racist woke bullshite comrade in disguise.”

      Thus spake just another middle-aged brown (presumably) etc… all the insults you’ve flung in the sentence above.

      I say again: insults aren’t stand-ins for proper argument, you know. Either contribute meaningfully to the debate in this comment thread, or go find something else to do.

      • but you can shutup anyway D’Esterre you’re always blithering on to cover up for racism .

        arsehole .

      • but here you are with ‘ said insults of your own – back at you hypocrite

        babbling on about middle aged and brown etc – how racist you are

        ill contribute however i see fit but you need to take your own advice which would mean finding something else to do

      • Hemi: thanks for the last few posts from you. They graphically illustrate my point about insults instead of argument.

        I must say that the fact the moderator has allowed them through shows a commendable commitment to free speech on this site.

        Do you actually have a countervailing argument? If you do, let’s be hearing it.

      • Hemi, I’d add that this series of insulting posts illustrates why, though I used to comment under my own name, nowadays I use a nom de guerre.

        My name is distinctive, and my address is easily found. I have forthright opinions and I don’t recoil from expressing them. It would take a good deal to intimidate me into silence. However: in the days when I used my own name, I was contacted by complete strangers, at least one of whom apparently had a shaky grasp on sanity. I have family members who found that intimidating: they prefer that I use a nom. So I do.

      • D’Esterre : ” thanks for the last few posts from you. They graphically illustrate my point about insults instead of argument.

        I must say that the fact the moderator has allowed them through shows a commendable commitment to free speech on this site.

        Do you actually have a countervailing argument? If you do, let’s be hearing it. “

  17. Debbie Packer and Tina Ngata et al, as a member of parliament and state employees, should have gone through standard channels (HRC, Police, Chief censor etc) to confront the video(s) they were offended by. But rather, Debbie retrogressed to activist proclivity and went on a private crusade, started a Change.org petition and wielded the cancel-culture bludgeon to de-job the culprit. The ultimate ad hominem, unbecoming of position.

      • Wise words sensei, domo arigato. But reputation and livelihood are two differing things. The methodology was unethical.

        • ClayR: “But reputation and livelihood are two differing things. The methodology was unethical.”

          Exactly. The Maori party should take note.

    • ClayR: “Debbie Packer and Tina Ngata et al, as a member of parliament and state employees, should have gone through standard channels….”

      I absolutely agree. Parliamentarians in particular have at the least a moral – if not legal – obligation to follow due process. What they did instead is the equivalent of the “flaming torches and pitchforks” tactic. Illuminating and unedifying.

  18. Being threatened that your whole country’s marae would be set on fire is pretty scary. I am surprised at your reaction Martyn.

    • gin hag: “Being threatened that your whole country’s marae would be set on fire…”

      It’s pretty obvious that somebody was frothing: it’s just wild talk. There’s some weird stuff on YouTube, most of which sinks unnoticed.

      How many people had actually seen that clip? Or would have known anything about it if the Maori party people hadn’t gone public about it? I certainly knew nothing of it before that.

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