Terrible news from TVNZ poll on cannabis referendum, the American Religious Right’s propaganda campaign against cannabis reform is succeeding!
53% of the sleepy hobbits of muddle Nu Zilind say NO to cannabis reform, we want the gangs to continue prospering and we quite like that Māori get locked up for a product that is far less harmful than booze and tobacco thanks.
In other crazy news, 64% say yes to euthanasia
What sort of small minded culture are we where we will say yes to killing yourself because you are in pain but we won’t allow you to smoke a joint to end that pain.
We are a culture with all the maturity of a can of coke. A low imagination horizon where ideas frighten and like a bucket of crabs, we pull down anyone trying to escape the group think.
The softly softly campaign by the pointy heads at the Drug Foundation is failing – this is about your freedom for Gods sake not responsible social policy harm minimisationzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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…they have disappointed me for the last time!
This is about the State getting the fuck out of our lives comrades!
This is about the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders that the State have historically punished needlessly over the decades and decades of this spiteful and counter productive bullshit war on drugs!
THIS IS ABOUT YOUR FREEDOM!
Stand up good Kiwi, tell the State to get the fuck out of our faces.
Now!
We have tolerated an amputation of our civil rights during this pandemic, and we rightfully in good conscience abided by the medically induced police state we were plunged into, but I’m simply over this continued intrusion into the lives of stoners.
Stand up fellow New Zealander, they can’t see you vote in the booth, send a clear message to the State that we don’t want them intrusively interfering in the rights of what you do or don’t take into your body!
Cannabis reform has always been a civil liberties issue brothers and sisters!
How can we say yes to assisted suicide as a choice but not smoking cannabis as a choice?
How have we managed to get our priorities and values so confused and mixed up?
There is 3 weeks to go, and I will be arguing for cannabis reform every day until the 17th October.
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I would rather give my money to the people I like who sell weed than to the government.
You need to look at the bigger picture, I am against drug use but can see that overall the country will be better off with cannabis reform since the current situation only punishes poor & colored people while assisting gangs. If prohibition was such a good idea it would have stayed on alcohol but we know what happened when that was tried.
I absolutely support your argument Bomber, if people could have cannabis freely available they wouldn’t want to kill themselves. A few brave people have posted stories of their lives being saved by the pain reducing qualities of cannabis, thanks to them. There has been a strong move by these nopers to amalgamate any drug not available at the pharmacy under the heading “drugs”, appealing to the self righteous and under educated, thus causing a great deal of harm to ordinary/natural peoples. One has to wonder, what is their vested interest??
Jane – As a long time supporter of End of Life Choice, I see it as different from suicide, and far from being simple matter of ending pain.
Medical science has extended people’s lives well beyond what many want, or could cope with. There are some who go to bed at night, hoping not to wake up in the morning. The quality of life can be grim; not everyone wants to spend their end times wearing incontinence nappies, demented, and having little control over it.
I visited an elderly lady in care, very upset because a doctor had photographed her genital area without her knowledge or consent, apparently because she had thrush. It is not necessary to photograph thrush. She told the home operators; they seem to have done nothing; it is a case for the Health and Disability Commissioner, but that’s too much for an unwell old person to cope with. She gave me the guy’s name, I’ve searched, and been unable to find any medical practitioner with that name. I suggested she see a social worker about another matter, and perhaps she should on this;I need more advice myself.
The care home and pharmaceutical industries are lucrative big businesses both dependent on extending the terms of people’s lives, which doesn’t suit everybody. Some people’s objection to legalising marijuana is that control will be captured by Pharmac, another controversial govt entity.
I’m fairly comfortable with the idea of legalising and freeing police to go after meths dealers , assuming that cops are able to road test pot heads who create a very real danger for other drivers – but that is not in the interests of the meths dealers some of whom also seem to originate off shore.
“I see it as different from suicide, and far from being simple matter of ending pain”
I totally agree.
Bomber’s habitual tying the issue exclusively to pain is asinine.
And he ignores a person’s right to the control their own body. He’s no better in these respects to religious fundamentalists who want to dictate people’s sexual practises and ban abortions.
Maybe many young people are not as revolutionary and such wastrels as some wish for?
so you’re pro organised crime then Marc?????
Ask the YOUNG people, not only oldies were polled.
Marc: “Maybe many young people are not as revolutionary….”
Some of them, certainly. Being an old lefty, I’ve always been pro-legalisation. But it’s been younger family who have changed my mind. Until recently, I still wasn’t sure which way I’d vote.
Gen Z is actually quite libertarian from all the studies I’ve read they hate bigotry but they hate censorship where as millennials are Uber left wing the following generation seems to quite the opposite.
Not consersative mind you.
It does make sense that the next generation rebels against the ideals of the previous generation.
Wait til gen z hits 30 and I think the right will have a strong new voting block
I embrace the poll result which is in my not so humble opinion, completely misleading and virtually irrelevant. It’s a wake-up call for the pro-legalization supporters to make sure they get out and vote. I believe older conservative voters against legalization are highly motivated by the referendum and will not miss the opportunity to vote. Younger voters are less likely to be so motivated. This poll result now takes care of that important aspect.
Then look at the demographic most likely to favour legalization. Younger people. Reports suggest there are high numbers of younger people registering to vote in this election. Not only will the majority of these voters vote for Jacinda, they will also vote in favour of legalizing cannabis.
Anecdotal evidence. I have three sons and three daughters. My sons are aged 18,20 and 21. This is the first election all three will vote for. All three will vote in favour of legalization. When the topic is discussed with their mates, the result is always the same regardless of gender. 100% will vote in favour of legalization. My older daughters are all the same way inclined.
The end result of the referendum will be at least 55-45 in favour of legalization. Take that to the bank.
You are a Jacinda Fan, are you representative of ALL NZ?
Marc,
I represent me. Where did I say I represent all of NZ? Seriously lame question.
You claim to know how young people feel about the subject. Your ignorant statements highlight the fact you wouldn’t know if your arse was on fire.
The difference in funding of the different campaigns paints a stark picture of whats going on here.
The Drug Foundation got $300k while Family First have now topped a million in donations.
There was also talk that the US scientologists were involved.
Well who would expect anything else from the mostly severely conditioned, small minded lot that are the majority in this country? Information is gathered from biased peers or selected social media sites, rather than from qualified sources. Listen to some talk back hosts on Magic Talk – they are living in another world, same as their listeners. Rationale is an alien concept for them.
Not surprised. New Zealand (like Australia) is actually a fairly conservative country. Then you have “influencers” like Mike Hosking barking on about how bad it is every day, and you have a recipe for this outcome. Let’s make sure cannabis stays associated only with the “criminal underclass” (i.e Maori) where it belongs while we continue to enjoy our far more destructive alcohol habit. Slow clap New Zealand.
I think this is misleading. Not everyone watches TV and especially this particular channel. I trust the proper avenue is to vote along with the election papers. Hopefully this question will be in the election paper. Otherwise this is not an accurate measure of the public.
Why go to the effort to mislead?
If so, then one of the reasons may be that it is close either way.
+100 Ahmed Asgher ….re “I think this is misleading. Not everyone watches TV and especially this particular channel. “
Boomers ..
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Research has shown that THC and CBD can alter the body’s inflammatory response and help avert inflammatory damage being done to tissues and organs. In fact, cannabinoids regulate the exact same inflammatory proteins responsible for some of the damage occurring in COVID-19 cases.
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Yeah get the state out of our face. Jacinda…Labour…Greens…get out of our face. We can vote anyway we like…not they way you want.
Herman Shovel Ready,
Do you deliberately set out to be a git or does it just come naturally?
Labour is not in your face about cannabis. I wish they were as NZ has been subjected to decades of the scaremongering National Party etc spreading totally false information about cannabis and ramming it down the throat of our people. Absolutely sick of it. Cannabis is most definitely not a gateway drug and the only evidence that smoking cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia after years of searching is that there is no evidence. We have good people being turned into criminals. We have certain Police on the street deciding via fucked up ambiguity who will be charged with cannabis possession and who won’t. It’s an archaic system that is wide open to abuse. It’s critically important that young people especially grow up respecting the law and understanding why we have certain laws in place. I have yet to meet one young person who respects the laws on cannabis. I’m sure they are out there but I’ve never met one. The laws are the epitome of hypocrisy. They see the carnage caused all day every day by alcohol use and abuse and that’s a legal substance vested interest are happy to endorse. Cannabis causes virtually no harm to the user that impacts on them or anyone else. The law is created and pushed via ignorant bias by people who have had their time. I’ve spent 30+ years as an associate of an international motorcycle club. I’ve seen the cash generated by cannabis. There are thousands of shallow graves around NZ as a result of cannabis sales etc going wrong. It’s an obscene situation that has been encouraged by wank laws that need to be sent to the nearest landfill where they belong.
Voting is a personal thing. The only correct statement you’ve made here is we can vote anyway we like. Ardern has not attempted to use her considerable influence to sway people in favour of voting yes to legalization yet we’ve had the divisive, arrogant, untrustworthy and toxic Collins outrageously demanding Ardern tell NZ her perspective on cannabis and which way she will vote because she has not used and abused her position and influence. Then, we have ignorant tossers on blogs claiming Labour are in peoples face on the subject when the reality is lightyears from that. You need to pull your head out of your arse more often Herman.
“I’ve spent 30+ years as an associate of an international motorcycle club. I’ve seen the cash generated by cannabis. There are thousands of shallow graves around NZ as a result of cannabis sales etc going wrong.”
Now that you have recovered your morals, ethics and empathy perhaps you may wish to inform the police where some of these thousands of shallow graves you allude to are JF.
Pedro,
Feel free to save your moral judgments for someone who cares.
If you’re going to quote me, don’t selectively omit the most relevant aspect of what I stated in order to misquote me.
“I’ve seen the cash generated by cannabis. There are thousands of shallow graves around NZ as a result of cannabis sales etc going wrong”
What I’ve witnessed over the decades either first hand or by information shared is the amount of money that changes hands with cannabis sales. I’m certain big number’s of people witnessed the exact same thing during the prohibition period in the United States from 1920 to 1933.
I never directly participated in the trade myself but witnessed it as a day to day event. I’ve never seen the club I’m associated with being involved in the selling of any other drugs, in fact, there is strong opposition spoken of to the drug “P” which is seen as the scourge of society.
As for shallow graves around NZ that are a direct result of the cannabis trade. That’s an accepted fact by both the police etc etc and with anyone who pays attention to reports of missing people and knows they were involved in the trade. I never suggested I’d seen any of the graves or had knowledge of their location.
For the record, I never lost or misplaced my morals, ethics, and empathy so had nothing to recover. Being an associate of a motorcycle club with an understanding of ridiculous cannabis laws and the damage they have caused for decades is not something I see as a character flaw that negates my personal integrity and attributes. Only an ignorant bellend would assume it does.
If there is a yes vote win, great, I carry on growing without much of a care.
If there is a no vote loss, not so great, just means I carry on growing while throwing a middle finger the govts way.
And running the risk of losing everything you own Mark. Don’t think it won’t happen.
Or it could just be that 65% of NZ just don’t like cannabis and whatever the argument (even if it’s logical) will fall on deaf ears. There in lies the issue with the Greens/Angry Andy’s approach. Rather than take a softly, softly approach going down the decriminalisation avenue first with necessary controls to push back they decided to go whole hog after talking endlessly with themselves in echo chambers.
It’s a democracy, suck it up. We dont always get what we want.
IMO There are a number of reasons that the poll results are so low. 1)Limited strength. 2)Full scale trade that everyone knows will end up controlled by a few barons. 3)Weed shops popping up like bottle stores in most neighborhoods. I firmly believe that they deliberately made it as loose and invasive as possible knowing full well that the conservatives would vote as expected and pot smokers (being an alternative bunch) will vote no because of the reasons I listed.
Really upsetting poll.
I’m 77 and a strong YES for cannabis. Even the worst claim – that it will cause psychosis – is disputed by US research. It’s great for our physical and mental health. I want the price for medicinal cannabis reduced so I can afford it.
I’m definitely NO for euthanasia. I think disabled folk like me (with MS) will be pressured to kark it, particularly when there are weak safeguards to stop this happening.
Keep up your pressure Bomber
At least one of the results is cause for celebration.
Not the mood at all where I am in the country. Maybe they only surveyed landlines or something because if anything the vote should be minimum 60% in favor
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