Hating the NZ Police State while demanding it in an age of Pandemic Solidarity

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So we are under a casual Police state.

I have always believed that this is what we would require to stop this pandemic.

The worst case scenario of 40 000 dead in the space of 8 weeks was an outcome unacceptable to any decent human being.

Fuck the economy if there wasn’t a culture too shell shocked from such collective grief to function as a community let alone as an economy.

My frustration is that we should have been planning for this in January when it became apparent to anyone with a glancing interest in this event that what the Chinese were saying publicly and doing privately in response to this virus were so far apart that accepting them at face value meant you had to pretend to not see the frantic and brutal response happening right over their Ambassadors shoulder.

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One doesn’t quarantine tens of millions for shits and giggles.

We had to shut down the entire economy and lock everyone down. It was the only course of medicine that could stop this.

Still.

How my teeth ground as our Parliament willingly handed over our civil liberties to the Police.

This represents the largest transfer of civil rights to the State we’ve seen outside war or heavy handed responses to Industrial action.

As I go about the limited parameters of my life over the next 4 weeks (which will really be 6 weeks, which will probably be 8 weeks, which might have to be 12 weeks) and I pass Police & Military on my streets, I will nod respectfully as they cruise past in acknowledgement  of the role they are playing in enforcing the absolute necessity of this moment.

But sweet Jesus, the millisecond we are in the clear of this plague, the moment when this oppressive obscenity of State intrusion into our lives in such a profound and needfully draconian manner has passed, this Parliament must restore our collective freedoms unblemished and protected.

This moment of universal experience that is a pandemic isn’t just testing us individually, it is testing the very fabric of our society.

Currently, the brutality of Chinese authoritarianism and its ability via its enormous military might to enforce its will has tamed infection rates, liberal progressive democracies however rely on the collective good will of its citizenship to do what is right.

Our value as a Democracy is being tested and history is watching us.

It is our obligation not only as New Zealanders to protect one another by compliance, it is our sacred duty to the very principles and collective values of our democracy that demands the same valour our forebears have showed.

The restoration of our Democracy with our collective civil liberties in tact and a Government focused on healing and rebuilding in the wake of this pestilence must be our lesson to history.

On the day our Government restores our collective civil rights we will know we have answered this challenge and the sacrifice was worthy of our whakapapa and mana.

Kia kaha.

 

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30 COMMENTS

  1. “We may even have a little drive with you to see where you’re going.” oookaay .. ‘mission creep’ @ Mike Bush.

    note to self : have level 4 quarantine restrictions document readily available for any one in law enforcement that may need it for the purposes of re-education ..

    • Hemi: ““We may even have a little drive with you to see where you’re going.” oookaay .. ‘mission creep’…”

      Creepy, in my view. This is the sort of overreach that risks antagonising the inoffensive sector of the citizenry, who might otherwise be broadly supportive of what the police are obliged to do.

      • at a time like this and for the good amount of taxpayer funded salary they receive , it’s important not to be incompetent , yet there’s already some confusion within police and between government which in turn is being wrongly imposed upon the ‘inoffensive’ public of which you speak.

        • Hemi: “….which in turn is being wrongly imposed upon the ‘inoffensive’ public of which you speak.”

          Precisely. And it annoys the hell out of me. Especially when, if one were to question what the police are claiming, one may be threatened with Consequences. Who will be brave enough to stand up to that sort of intimidation?

          In my view, there are plenty of bad buggers about to whom the police can be paying attention instead; and they’ll surely have their hands full dealing with increasing family violence, I’d have thought.

  2. Dont worry aboutit!

    Did you notice what happened in NZ at 11.59pm last night? A coup d’etat perhaps?

    The Socialists within the Government have taken control?
    Withdrawn the Nations workforce ✔
    Secured the State Apparatus ✔
    Control the Cabinet ✔
    Have control of the ‘Cheque Book’✔
    Have no opposition & no bloodshed✔
    And it took less than one minute✔
    The Socialist People’s Republic of Aotearoa was born✔

    • Stop peddling BS, Dennypaoa!
      Check out the details of the select committee that will meet while Parliament is in forced recess. There are plenty of checks and balances. The Chair is Simon Bridges (that should cheer you up!) and every party will be represented. They will meet three times a week and proceedings will be livestreamed. We will all know what’s going on.
      And, if The Other Lot were in power they would have done the same – even Simon said so!
      Grow up, DP and stop your puerile scaremongering!
      PS Other than ‘Control the cabinet’ (that’s what government’s do – duh?), none of your statements deserve a ‘done it’ tick – you’re making it up. Right wing fake news!

  3. Well, we could always get the gangs of Brazil to swing by.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/brazil-rio-gangs-coronavirus

    No one likes the police and the police know, no one likes them. But try living in a country where there is no police force?
    The police are intimidating. That, is their job. We, should be secure enough in our country to resist feeling intimidated while deploying common sense.
    There are some very,very nasty bastards out there and it’s always been my personal experience to feel great relief when they turn up all lights blazing.
    If the police are going all elliptical around us? Who’s to blame?
    Well, we are obviously. If we let our politicians get away with redefining our police force it’s up to us to ‘redefine’ our politicians.

    • Fucking good shit there, CB.

      We all might bitch and moan about the fuzz , but when they turn up, there’s a sigh of relief. They ( sometimes ) can be a pack of corrupt bastards at times, – Arthur Allan Thomas – but where would we be without em?

      And yeah ,its a great thing to see em turning up all lights blazing.

      We need the Police because we, as humans are subject to being bad bastards all too often. We bring it on ourselves, by and large. And our cops are pretty discretionary on the whole. They are our sons and daughters, lets support em.

    • Countryboy: “But try living in a country where there is no police force?”

      Or a police force with apparently intractable corruption issues. The Australian police, for example. There are worse things than no police…..

      “If the police are going all elliptical around us? Who’s to blame?”

      Does any of us know what police powers are during an emergency? How well-defined are they in the relevant legislation? It looks to me as if there’s a bit of making it up as they go along.

  4. On Stuff today a news story about the police having the power to enter homes or stop cars if they believe people are abusing the lockdown (which basically means being somewhere that isn’t your usual home or travelling when you don’t need to be).
    Most people seem to be respecting the rules, but it is very early days and undoubtedly the stresses and pressures will increase as time goes on and the patience of the police will be tested.
    We hope they will use minimal force and only when it is absolutely necessary.
    As for the piece about the contrast between Chinese measures and NZ measures, I am in quite a good position to comment because my wife has arrived back in China and is presently in self-isolation.
    The Chinese are used to the domination of central government and even though we would bristle at the kinds of measures they take, the Chinese basically just take it in their stride. Many of them have experienced similar problems through their lives and get through it by helping each other and planning well.

    • An Authoritarian State? Spooky shite when you think about it.

      Little ole NZ taken over by a little ole coup’de’tat in less than a minute.

      All the moves theyre making is heading that way. Feeding everyone enough for now, to keep them docile until they wake from their slumber.
      We’re going to be under house arrest a lot longer than 4 weeks.

  5. Extraordinary powers for the cops and other state forces are always there, just waiting to be activated. And now they have been greenlit–a queasy feeling for some of us–and I can only imagine Mr Bradbury’s inner reaction after his run in with the NZ Police!

    But bar an asteroid or nuke strike, the current pandemic is as serious as it gets. Extreme measures are warranted because of the type of society we have today after 30 years of neo liberalism. Many hyper individualists that clamour over Boxing Day Sales etc. strangely enough will likely need coercion in some form–even to prompt them to try and save their own skins.

    I just saw from my front deck, a Toll company branded ute driving down SH14 Whangarei, with a big ’ol Jetski on the trailer–wtf…stay the fuck home people!

  6. Martyn said; quote “My frustration is that we should have been planning for this in January when it became apparent to anyone with a glancing interest in this event that what the Chinese were saying publicly and doing privately in response to this virus were so far apart that accepting them at face value meant you had to pretend to not see the frantic and brutal response happening right over their Ambassadors shoulder.”

    Well said Martyn.

    We warned the Minister of Health back in January 20th to be very cautious but they failed to listen then so we hope they have woken up now for all our sakes; – https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2001/S00041/ceac-calls-for-ministry-of-health-to-be-cautious.htm
    Here is the press release we made then;

    CEAC calls for Ministry of Health to be cautious
    Monday, 20 January 2020, 2:31 am
    Press Release: Citizens Environmental Advocacy Centre
    Monday 20th January 2020
    “CEAC calls for Ministry of Health to be cautious of mystery viral pneumonia spreading from China.”

    CEAC calls for Ministry of Health to be “cautious” of mystery viral pneumonia spreading from China, of a new ‘coronavirus’ that’s in the same family as SARS, MERS and the common cold, health officials said Friday; – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/407631/new-wuhan-virus-cases-emerge-in-china-but-no-plans-for-screening-at-new-zealand-airports-yet

    (1) https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-airports-screen-passengers-chinese-city-virus/story?id=68358416

    Since the US (CDC) “Center for Disease Control” has just placed Three airports in the United States under screening for this new global virus.
    According to the CDC they will screen passengers arriving from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of an outbreak of a new coronavirus that’s in the same family as SARS, MERS and the common cold, health officials said Friday.
    Quote; (1)
    US authorities have said they would start screening at three airports to detect travellers arriving via direct or connecting flights from Wuhan who may have symptoms of the new virus.
    In Asia, authorities in Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand have stepped up monitoring of passengers from Wuhan at airports. Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines say they have strengthened screening at all points of entry in response to the outbreak, as well.
    Japan screens all incoming travellers for high temperatures and started displaying notices at airports around the country asking passengers to come forward if they have travelled to Wuhan and have become sick.

    A report published by the London Imperial College’s MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis asserted there are likely “substantially more cases” of the new coronavirus than the 45 currently announced by Wuhan authorities.
    A summary of the report on the centre’s website says its baseline scenario estimates that there would be 1723 cases showing onset of related symptoms by 12 January. The full report was not available, however.

    Unquote;
    • NZ is a large transit point for Chinese visitors and immigrants,
    • So we are already effectively in harm’s way.
    • So we support the Otago University Health Department calling for NZ Ministry of Health to be wary of danger to the new virus that could threaten the health of NZ citizens as stated I n the report below.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/407631/new-wuhan-virus-cases-emerge-in-china-but-no-plans-for-screening-at-new-zealand-airports-yet

    End.

  7. I wouldn’t be surprised if Labour tried to keep hold of some of the powers post lock down and good luck if you think National will undo them.
    Only party that seems to give a damn about freedom and democracy is ACT and they are pretty much insignificant.

  8. Well, I started eating humble pie about a week ago. I was one of those people making light of the situation, claiming right here on TDB that it was just like a bad flu and that shutting down public events would be an overreaction. Bomber called it, and I got it badly wrong. Mea culpa.

  9. So the police are now the muscle for the Health Ministry? Will the cops be monitoring our health records in future? If we come down with influenza (a disease which has existed since life began) when all of this has spluttered out, will the police arrest us on suspicion of a runny nose? Do we really have to see this bully Mike Bush every day on TV threatening to enter people’s homes when he should be out catching the drug pushers and rapists in his own police force.

  10. Bomber

    Have social conscience, don’t vote left, but love your direct journalism! Really good!

    Tell me, what’s the point of any of us complying with the Level 4 lockout when:
    1. JA lets hundreds of overseas people carrying Covid19 in at the airport.
    2. People are already breaking all the rules left, right and centre on Day 1- mostly because the rules are not crystal clear and totally open to interpretation.
    3. The PM and Govt are already losing focus – now JA wants to know the names of naughty landlords, but not the names of the covid curfew breakers…really?????
    4. Mike Bush wants his police staff to be all nice and friendly – not like a real police force…hard, tough, enforce the bloody govt rules.
    5. The media spends more time on the CHC criminal pleading guilty, than on the possibility of 100,000 kiwis being infected by mid April.

    Again, it just looks so typical for this Govt. They have all the big words, it all looks good on camera, lots of likes on Facebook, the UN will be very impressed, but they simply cannot put a plan into action properly. Never could, never will.

    Break the chain? Probably not at this rate!

    • A bit like the drink drive thing then. Looks good, sounds good no matter which Government is in.

      All the big words, looks good on camera, lots of likes on Facebook, the UN very impressed, but simply cannot be put into action properly. Never could, never will.

      Break the chain? So what happens next when people do what people are going to do. Shoot them? Appeal to their intelligence? Appeal to their humanity?

      Tell me, what’s the point of any of us complying with the drink drive things?

    • If we’re alive because it was nothing much or just a hoax and overestimations were made I guess we’ll be able to look back because we’re alive and say it was nothing much or just a hoax and overestimations were made.

      If we’re dead I guess we won’t be in a position to say, “Shit, that was for real.” If we’re alive we might look back and say, “She died from covid-19 in 2020 and no-one was able to go to her funeral.”

    • Ahhhh Helena, you seem to be VERY gullible!
      You post links to every crackpot conspiracy theory, I bet you are an anti-vaxxer also, but you know you would be banned if you linked to it so you don’t!
      I envisage you as an unmarried 55-65yr old with a couple of cats and a poor education, it’s the only summation I can come up with for someone who seems to believe EVERYTHING on the internet!

      • Im right… would appreciate it if you would confine your remarks to the subject matter without taking potshots at me. Thank you ever so much.

    • @ Gary – read the rest of what CB said then you might understand what he is saying instead of attacking him with your negative nonsense. You obviously don’t read and observe what is going on around you. The Prime Minister and Commissioner of Police said it is ok to take exercise in your local area but the cops in Hamilton act like bully boys and order an older couple out exercising by walking around the lake close to their home to go home. Then in Auckland a woman goes ballistic in a supermarket when she is confronted for stealing food and all the cops do is warn her for theft.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12320352

      What do we take from this? Oh, I know, it is much easier for the cops to bully law abiding older citizens than it is to enforce the law against a thief.

      CB is right but you are totally off the mark and your comment displays a real lack of insight.

  11. @youngsuffrajet “What do we take from this? Oh, I know, it is much easier for the cops to bully law abiding older citizens than it is to enforce the law against a thief.”

    How do you know that the supermarket wanted to press charges, probably they didnt. An older couple gets intimidated walking their dog. Who says they were intimidated? The old couple? Perhaps they were they were the type that just hate cops like countryboy.

    The way you judge the actions of Police in 2 incidents you know nothing about (because you weren’t there) shows your lack of insight.

    I have plenty of insight, and the above comment like yours is a stupid as anything countryboy has said.

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