There are 3 things we need to think about in regards to the Wuhan virus.
1: Is China telling the truth?
At this stage we simply can not know for sure the true level of infection or death rates. The panic the truth could cause in a country already under economic stress is too dangerous for Officials to acknowledge so we simply can’t know how dangerous or how transmittable this novel virus is yet. Without knowing that it makes effectively countering a possible pandemic much more difficult.
2: The impact on the Chinese and global economy
The real dangers here beyond those who get sick and the small percentage who are currently dying (if we are to trust those Chinese numbers) is the enormous damage this could cause China’s already sick and weakening economy and the further impact that will have on the global economy. If this starts a recession, look for China to start militaristically pushing for confrontations in the disputed South China Sea as a means to divert domestic attention away from criticising the Communist Party. The Wuhan Virus legacy could be to destabilise an already unstable situation.
Warning signs of a South China Sea clash
The spectre of China is looming ever larger over Asia. Now international relations experts are sounding alarms at the risks of an armed clash.
There are always tensions between states, says the ANU’s Professor John Blaxland, “but there is a gnawing sense that this decade may see us get closer to the brink than in generations”.
He, like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), has offered a new assessment on our region’s potential for conflict.
Repeatedly featuring as a risk of “accidental or inadvertent” conflict is China. Specifically, China’s ambitions towards the East and South China Seas, and Taiwan.
3: Pandemics are a new frontier of climate crisis
As biospheres deteriorate and humans encroach on more and more old habitats, old virus can spring back to life. Add to that the impoverished cheek to jowl living arrangements over population create, pandemics are a new frontier of the climate crisis.
The Wuhan virus is just the start.



Obviously a completely non partisan think tank Martyn, puts me in mind of the wilson centre.
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Sounds like the NZ schools are advising NZ parents about the controvirus and asking the satellite kids who go home to China but attend NZ schools, not to attend NZ school for the first few weeks to avoid the outbreak.
Globalism in action. Risk of disease is huge under globalism, laissez-faire conditions.
Look what happened in Samoa with measles and it was again being spread by dual nationals for the most part, coming between countries and spreading the virus which then killed the locals kids.
I’m not against travel for work opportunities or dual nationals for a small percentage of skilled people in the population, but when it becomes the norm to fly around low level chefs, labourers, fast food workers and school kids and aged parents – just for some neoliberal agenda to bankrupt other countries social services and housing, something is wrong.
It seems more important in NZ to get in cheap ovens and tat and, than stop Meth and bio hazards like PSA , mycoplasma bovis bacteria coming here.
Likewise how can it be more efficient to fly in a fruit picker or gib stopper from across the globe with all the hazards of contamination within countries of a range of pathogens and bacteria and viruses, than get someone a few hours away/local to do the work and pay them adequately?
No wonder the planet is melting from climate change and emissions. Disease control is out the window and a growing issue of locals being working poor, homeless, on Meth and looking for food parcels, as though they live in a third world country while avoiding the latest international hazards and ideologies from Thatcherism, controvirus to OZ bushfire smog.
What you say about fruit pickers is very true. How can we be paying 115000 the unemployment benefit when there is so much work around at any level be it unskilled or management. There are well paying jobs going begging so what is the problem how can these people be motivated.
@Trevor, I suspect paying wages they can live off, accomodation and transport being supplied and it being organised for locals in the same way it is for international people. Aka someone organised accomodation, transport etc and drives them around the farms, as many are too poor to get there or pay for accomodation on the wages.
Also get rid of Meth and other drugs, party pills, synthetics, it is an absolute disaster in communities and for the workforce and for the social services! Disaster for everyone because the victims are also their families and communities that are being burgled, robbed and escalating violence. Huge loss of human potential and nothing significant is being done about it.
People coming here are just as likely to be involved in drugs and crimes the locals! Again it’s not helping society in NZ, by getting more people into NZ buying, selling or importing in drugs or trafficking labour here!
From the ‘chefs’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112128450/bakery-owner-to-pay-back-33800-illegally-deducted-from-workers-wages
To the business owners
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/384041/sroubek-double-antolik-likely-to-have-visited-new-zealand
To the dual residents
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11842563
To the labour traffickers
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/media-centre/media-releases/man-arrested-for-human-trafficking-slavery-following-joint-inz-police-investigation
and the slave trading
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12034836
NZ might be better to try to get those already into work, rather than fill up our streets with more and more needy, drugged out or dysfunctional, poverty stricken people.
We already have enough locally so maybe spending the money on rehabilitating them rather than adding more cases, is a good start.
Don’t forget the rapists:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/327784/rapist-wins-case-to-be-allowed-to-stay-in-nz
Or the murderers/murder accused flocking here, killing innocent people here, we then have to support the murderer in jail and through the justice system all their lives (often also the victims families have started to demand compensation by getting residency here too).
Man accused of killing 51 in Christchurch mosque attacks pleads not guilty
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/13/asia/nz-christchurch-shooting-suspect-intl-hnk/index.html
Judge: Extraordinary that killer Rohit Singh maintained fiction during murder trial
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12254105
Dunedin doctor Venod Skantha found guilty of murder of Amber-Rose Rush
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12288940
West Auckland stabbing: Man remanded in custody after been charged with murder
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114976886/west-auckland-stabbing-man-remanded-in-custody-after-been-charged-with-murder
Unemployment is not high during ‘The Season’ here in the Hawkes Bay..everyone on the benefit gets sent to the orchard..its simply a fact that some of those people are too old, worn out, too short, unwell physically or mentally to be much use on an orchard. Picking used to be done by all sorts, a great little earner for housewives..but it has become very ‘skilled’ and demanding these days.
These days even the back packers aren’t that keen on orchard work.
So that leaves the prospect of shifting the unemployed around the country, following the jobs, either losing their housing while they are gone..or paying two lots of housing costs..simply not going to happen on orchard jobs.
My own son works on the orchard full time for a number of years…he’s a good picker and pruner..however the convoluted ways the orchards come up with to keep the wages down are quite impressive..pick rates that vary hour by hour, artificial ‘holidays’ to stop them being classed as full time…last minute cancelation of work….
Virtually none of those “satellite” kids are New Zealand citizens SaveNZ. China, like many Asian countries, Japan and India included, does not allow for duel citizenship. Therefore most of these kids and their families remain permanent residents of New Zealand and citizens of China.
Since New Zealand is one of the only countries in the world which grants nearly identical rights to both permanent residents and citizens, this works out to be a fantastic deal for them. You and your family can have full access to New Zealand’s health, education, social services and the right to vote, without ever being citizen or even a resident for tax purposes. Why wouldn’t you take advantage of such a wonderful opportunity if a country was stupid enough to grant it to you while asking nothing in return.
I agree with you Simonm, our government is stupid but why don’t they stop permanent residency for new residents (aka OZ changed the law to stop new permanent residents taking advantage of them)? That’s the interesting question.
Now COL’s big idea is to spend up big on roads (in Auckland the airport is VERY important), groan, eye roll, more congestion coming everybody’s way, more debt, more cars with no doubt more and more people taking advantage of NZ’s stupidest policies, punitive to locals, generous to internationals paying nothing here.
Oz only allows citizens to vote too. New Zealand is one of the few countries that allows permanent residents to do so.
When you have 250,000 Chinese “living” in New Zealand (the majority of them permanent residents) and 75% of them vote National…well it doesn’t take a genius to do the maths…
Also we all know the woke/neoliberals officials and government in NZ would prefer to put everyone at risk in NZ from the Wuhan Virus, than be accused of racism (woke) or losing/spending a short term $ (neoliberals).
The Chinese propaganda campaign is working as so many NZ officials have ‘enjoyed’ the free China trips and donations and want to keep that gravy train going strong, rather than take a risk first approach to border control!
Chinese businessman Yikun Zhang’s donations go beyond Simon Bridges
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/107902444/auckland-and-southland-mayors-receive-handouts-from-chinese-businessman-yikun-zhang
Southland mayor in China with ‘$100k donor’
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/southland/southland-mayor-china-100k-donor
No wonder NZ is now being shown up by the Marshall Islands who are more pro active than us to minimise border risks and protect their nationals!
+100…well said saveNZ
This may be Gaia* fighting back: too many people on the planet.
*Gaia is the name of the ancient Greek goddess of the Earth, and as a name it was recently revived to refer to the hypothesis formed by James Lovelock and Lynn Margulis, who postulate that the whole biosphere may be alive in that the Earth’s life forms are themselves responsible for regulating the conditions that make life on the planet possible.
This might have something to with it:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7938207/Chinese-travel-presenter-ate-bat-begs-public-forgiveness-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html?ito=video_player_click
Good link! I think eating a bat is just as disgusting as feeding a domestic vegetarian animal meat, aka cows eating pig meat which has become almost standard across the world, so clearly standards are dropping for food as people try to get likes, and business intensify farming beyond what is normal and reasonable and into the cruel and disgusting.
…or this
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
(btw why are we allowing planes of Chinese tourists into the country when whole areas of China are no-go quarantined? )
1)You can guarantee we aren’t hearing the full picture
2) likely large economic effects, depending on what is actually happening
3) A long bow to draw.
Not every bad thing is due to climate change.
Maybe malaria or certain tropical diseases will worsen by mosquitos colonizing new areas with warmer climates, not so much a coronavirus.
Definitely overpopulation and shared animal habitat are risk factors for many disease outbreaks.
Batman did it
‘Is This The Man Behind The Global Coronavirus Pandemic?’
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic
I’m not sure this kind of conspiracy-mongering is helpful. If anyone is aware of any *evidence* the Chinese health authorities are under-reporting the severity coronavirus, let’s have a link. Otherwise, why be any more suspicious of their (functioning) health system than we would if the (dysfunctional) US system was reporting on a new virus outbreak?
So far, it appears that the new coronavirus is not even as deadly as the ‘flu. Our colleagues and friends in China report that a range of epidemic prevention measures are being taken in the provinces adjacent to Hubei (the province Wuhan is in), but nobody we’ve heard from knows anyone infected by the virus, let alone killed.
@Danyl
Yes lets not worry about international viruses spreading in “conspiracy-mongering” when there is more important news such as a Burger company losing money via poohing seagulls in Nelson! Now that IS something worthy of news and worry! Sarcasm.
Seagulls ‘smash glasses, poo on food and drinks’ at Nelson restaurants
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118949809/seagulls-a-nuisance-for-nelson-restaurants
@Danyl
‘Reporters Claim To Have Proof China Lying About Virus Death Toll As Total Cases Soar Above 7,100’
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/british-airways-ends-all-flights-china-virus-spreads-middle-east
…shot from the hip ?
China’s has developed rapidly over the past 40 years, despite prophesies of doom from overseas observers. Chinese scholar Zhang Weiwei considers why so many predictions about China have proved to be so wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR0Zyfqwb08
‘ “They All Knew!” – Chinese Furious At Virus-Fighting Officials Who Lied About Human Transmission’
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/they-all-knew-chinese-furious-virus-fighting-officials-who-lied-about-human
‘Study suggesting earlier human transmission fuels public anger –
Findings by Chinese researchers contradict government accounts’
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus-outbreak/Study-suggesting-earlier-human-transmission-fuels-public-anger
Yippee, WW3 at last, I can’t wait.
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