The 3 real issues behind the Wuhan Virus


There are 3 things we need to think about in regards to the Wuhan virus.

1: Is China telling the truth?

At this stage we simply can not know for sure the true level of infection or death rates. The panic the truth could cause in a country already under economic stress is too dangerous for Officials to acknowledge so we simply can’t know how dangerous or how transmittable this novel virus is yet. Without knowing that it makes effectively countering a possible pandemic much more difficult.

2: The impact on the Chinese and global economy

The real dangers here beyond those who get sick and the small percentage who are currently dying (if we are to trust those Chinese numbers) is the enormous damage this could cause China’s already sick and weakening economy and the further impact that will have on the global economy. If this starts a recession, look for China to start militaristically pushing for confrontations in the disputed South China Sea as a means to divert domestic attention away from criticising the Communist Party. The Wuhan Virus legacy could be to destabilise an already unstable situation.

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Warning signs of a South China Sea clash

The spectre of China is looming ever larger over Asia. Now international relations experts are sounding alarms at the risks of an armed clash.

The spectre of China is looming ever larger over Asia. Now international relations experts are sounding alarms at the risks of an armed clash.

There are always tensions between states, says the ANU’s Professor John Blaxland, “but there is a gnawing sense that this decade may see us get closer to the brink than in generations”.

He, like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), has offered a new assessment on our region’s potential for conflict.

Repeatedly featuring as a risk of “accidental or inadvertent” conflict is China. Specifically, China’s ambitions towards the East and South China Seas, and Taiwan.

3:  Pandemics are a new frontier of climate crisis

As biospheres deteriorate and humans encroach on more and more old habitats, old virus can spring back to life. Add to that the impoverished cheek to jowl living arrangements over population create, pandemics are a new frontier of the climate crisis.

The Wuhan virus is just the start.


  1. Obviously a completely non partisan think tank Martyn, puts me in mind of the wilson centre.

    The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), founded in 1921, is a United States nonprofit think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy and international affairs. It is headquartered in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, D.C. Its membership, which numbers 4,900, has included senior politicians, more than a dozen secretaries of state, CIA directors, bankers, lawyers, professors and senior media figures.

    The CFR meetings convene government officials, global business leaders and prominent members of the intelligence and foreign-policy community to discuss international issues. CFR publishes the bi-monthly journal Foreign Affairs, and runs the David Rockefeller Studies Program, which influences foreign policy by making recommendations to the presidential administration and diplomatic community, testifying before Congress, interacting with the media, and publishing on foreign policy issues.

  2. Sounds like the NZ schools are advising NZ parents about the controvirus and asking the satellite kids who go home to China but attend NZ schools, not to attend NZ school for the first few weeks to avoid the outbreak.

    Globalism in action. Risk of disease is huge under globalism, laissez-faire conditions.

    Look what happened in Samoa with measles and it was again being spread by dual nationals for the most part, coming between countries and spreading the virus which then killed the locals kids.

    I’m not against travel for work opportunities or dual nationals for a small percentage of skilled people in the population, but when it becomes the norm to fly around low level chefs, labourers, fast food workers and school kids and aged parents – just for some neoliberal agenda to bankrupt other countries social services and housing, something is wrong.

    It seems more important in NZ to get in cheap ovens and tat and, than stop Meth and bio hazards like PSA , mycoplasma bovis bacteria coming here.

    Likewise how can it be more efficient to fly in a fruit picker or gib stopper from across the globe with all the hazards of contamination within countries of a range of pathogens and bacteria and viruses, than get someone a few hours away/local to do the work and pay them adequately?

    No wonder the planet is melting from climate change and emissions. Disease control is out the window and a growing issue of locals being working poor, homeless, on Meth and looking for food parcels, as though they live in a third world country while avoiding the latest international hazards and ideologies from Thatcherism, controvirus to OZ bushfire smog.

    • What you say about fruit pickers is very true. How can we be paying 115000 the unemployment benefit when there is so much work around at any level be it unskilled or management. There are well paying jobs going begging so what is the problem how can these people be motivated.

    • Virtually none of those “satellite” kids are New Zealand citizens SaveNZ. China, like many Asian countries, Japan and India included, does not allow for duel citizenship. Therefore most of these kids and their families remain permanent residents of New Zealand and citizens of China.

      Since New Zealand is one of the only countries in the world which grants nearly identical rights to both permanent residents and citizens, this works out to be a fantastic deal for them. You and your family can have full access to New Zealand’s health, education, social services and the right to vote, without ever being citizen or even a resident for tax purposes. Why wouldn’t you take advantage of such a wonderful opportunity if a country was stupid enough to grant it to you while asking nothing in return.

      • I agree with you Simonm, our government is stupid but why don’t they stop permanent residency for new residents (aka OZ changed the law to stop new permanent residents taking advantage of them)? That’s the interesting question.

        Now COL’s big idea is to spend up big on roads (in Auckland the airport is VERY important), groan, eye roll, more congestion coming everybody’s way, more debt, more cars with no doubt more and more people taking advantage of NZ’s stupidest policies, punitive to locals, generous to internationals paying nothing here.

        • Oz only allows citizens to vote too. New Zealand is one of the few countries that allows permanent residents to do so.

          When you have 250,000 Chinese “living” in New Zealand (the majority of them permanent residents) and 75% of them vote National…well it doesn’t take a genius to do the maths…

  3. Best thing No Zealand could do with the race-based Han Chinese dictatorship is have absolutely nothing to do with it… imagine the marketing point of difference, Aotearoa could have sold itself…. not it’s just a vassal state of the Hanazi empire that, with time, will only appeal to Hanazi colonists and visitors (is there a difference?)

    First they came for the Tibetans, then they came for the Uighur, then they came for the Hong Kongers, etcetera…

    • Yet again we are on the same page Castro, let me know when the march on Havana get’s the green light and I’ll be your Che Guevara.

  4. Also we all know the woke/neoliberals officials and government in NZ would prefer to put everyone at risk in NZ from the Wuhan Virus, than be accused of racism (woke) or losing/spending a short term $ (neoliberals).

    The Chinese propaganda campaign is working as so many NZ officials have ‘enjoyed’ the free China trips and donations and want to keep that gravy train going strong, rather than take a risk first approach to border control!

    Chinese businessman Yikun Zhang’s donations go beyond Simon Bridges

    Southland mayor in China with ‘$100k donor’

    No wonder NZ is now being shown up by the Marshall Islands who are more pro active than us to minimise border risks and protect their nationals!

  5. Well, there’s my trousers well shat in. Gee thanks @ MB.
    Not long ago I listened keenly to a woman who was an expert on global populations.
    I thought I listened keenly anyway but clearly not keenly enough because I can’t remember her name. Check out TED talks. She’s on there.
    She said that our biosphere is over populated with the wrong kinds of societies, and those societies were us. Us consumers.
    Over consumption and waste is literally killing off our only planet and that over consumption was because banks were driving societies to consume ever more because #1 Greed is Good, therefore the need for #2. Growth, growth, growth. ( Someone said ‘growth’ is the logic of cancer.)
    She went on to say that our biosphere’s human consumer population was well too high at 7 billion, or is it 8? It’s going to be another billion in 12 or so years. The human population has doubled in the last 50 years. That’s quite a lot of rooting.
    She reckoned that, I think it was 5 Billion, who needed to ‘go’ immediately.
    If humans stopped breeding thus consuming now? Today? We’ll still be fucked.It’s too late under the current terms of engagement.
    So? What are alllll those fancy people with our $billions and $billions doing talking about shooting off rockets into space at Oamaru Airport? Why is branston of virgin constantly down-playing his journeys into outer space? Why is musk blouting about his ability to launch a car into space? It’s orbiting above you as I write!
    Why are there so many $-elite getting all misty eyed about going to freaky scary hostile and seriously distant Mars?
    Are they normalizing the, from-Earth into-space, traffic to build the platform from which they can watch us being culled?
    Using a moon orbiting space station to sling shot bold explorers at Mars…? Buuuuulll fucking shit they are. It’s my opinion that they, the $-elite need to be well away from the virus/s that’ll bump off that 5 billion or so people. A hanky and some Lemsip won’t stop the fucker that’s coming. The only thing that’ll work is being a safe distance away from others who’ll be dropping like flies.
    In other words, is the Wuhan virus a trial run…?
    The moment the last rivet goes into a decent sized space station I’d curb plans to travel to India, China, South East Asia and Indonesia in particular, the Middle East, Africa and South American if I were you.

    • +1 country boy – humans growth is clearly not sustainable, instead of colonising other less polluted countries with more people and killing the environment more with more growth, can we just agree to try and limit to 2 kids or less, just in case the Mars thingy doesn’t pan out in time… huge outcry!!!

      • instead of colonising other less polluted countries with more people

        You mean like the greatest colonisers in all of human history, North Western europeans, and particular Anglo Saxons?

          • What I said was true! And when millions of native americans and other indigenous people died when old world diseases were brought to the new world.

            In Samoa, NZ racist incompetence resulted in 1/5th of the population dying.

            In any case its an objective fact that more Anglo Saxons are the most aggressive colonisers in all of human history. Most Han chinese still live in China. Whereas the vast majority of Anglo Saxon derived people live outside of the UK

            • Mark if the Chinese culture so superior and the motherland so fantastic, NZ so racist, Europe inferior, begs the question, why are you living in NZ when everything you believe in, is in China?

              • Could it be all the generous benefits that the NZ government offers to Chinese nationals that they can’t get in their own country (that is so superior). sarcasm.

                NZ public health care is free..

                Public Health care in China is NOT free for urban nationals…

                “Residents of urban areas are not provided with free healthcare, and must either pay for treatment or purchase health insurance. The quality of hospitals varies. ”

                “Despite this, public health insurance generally only covers about half of medical costs, with the proportion lower for serious or chronic illnesses. Under the “Healthy China 2020″ initiative, China is currently undertaking an effort to cut healthcare costs, and the government requires that insurance will cover 70% of costs by the end of 2018”.


                In China the PENSIONS SYSTEM

                You have to CONTRIBUTE minimum 15 years to get a pension and only get 1% of the indexed wage in China for your public pension.


                In NZ you don’t have to contribute at all to a pension as an overseas person or be working, just be resident here for 10 years (used to be 5 years) to get 43 per cent of the NZ average wage and it is not means tested for overseas pensioners either.

                Not surprising that NZ is now the place to retire to and be supported as an overseas resident as well as the free quality health care that many have to pay for in their own countries!

                You can even sponsor in other aged Chinese nationals after an 11 day email relationship, when you get lonely as you can’t speak the language in NZ and get $10k for your troubles… our rules think that is fine, Keep working NZ, billions of people around the world need your tax dollars to support them when they come here!


                (BTY NZ now has more Asian aged parents than Maori and Pacific Island aged parents retiring here, wonder why?).

                Don’t forget rest home care is generally free too in NZ @ $1000+ p/w paid for by the rest of us and mostly going to overseas based pension funds who own them here !

    • 100% there CB

      “Well, there’s my trousers well shat in. Gee thanks @ MB.”

      Thw world is in a new phase of ‘massive population shift’ that will sink NZ with these small two Islands if we are not vigilant,

  6. This may be Gaia* fighting back: too many people on the planet.

    *Gaia is the name of the ancient Greek goddess of the Earth, and as a name it was recently revived to refer to the hypothesis formed by James Lovelock and Lynn Margulis, who postulate that the whole biosphere may be alive in that the Earth’s life forms are themselves responsible for regulating the conditions that make life on the planet possible.

  7. 1)You can guarantee we aren’t hearing the full picture
    2) likely large economic effects, depending on what is actually happening
    3) A long bow to draw.
    Not every bad thing is due to climate change.
    Maybe malaria or certain tropical diseases will worsen by mosquitos colonizing new areas with warmer climates, not so much a coronavirus.
    Definitely overpopulation and shared animal habitat are risk factors for many disease outbreaks.

  8. There was a very good item on Kim Hill’s RNZ Saturday morning show last Saturday on this issue.
    Worth listening to on replay radio.

  9. I’m not sure this kind of conspiracy-mongering is helpful. If anyone is aware of any *evidence* the Chinese health authorities are under-reporting the severity coronavirus, let’s have a link. Otherwise, why be any more suspicious of their (functioning) health system than we would if the (dysfunctional) US system was reporting on a new virus outbreak?

    So far, it appears that the new coronavirus is not even as deadly as the ‘flu. Our colleagues and friends in China report that a range of epidemic prevention measures are being taken in the provinces adjacent to Hubei (the province Wuhan is in), but nobody we’ve heard from knows anyone infected by the virus, let alone killed.

  10. ‘ “They All Knew!” – Chinese Furious At Virus-Fighting Officials Who Lied About Human Transmission’

    ‘Study suggesting earlier human transmission fuels public anger –
    Findings by Chinese researchers contradict government accounts’

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