If there was any question over whether or not China is supporting tensions on Auckland University, the Chinese consulate has bewilderingly praised the recent violence by pro-China students on Auckland University...
The Chinese consulate has praised pro-Beijing students involved in a scuffle at Auckland University for their “spontaneous acts and deeds”.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, the Chinese Consulate General in Auckland said New Zealand media reports about the incident had been biased and painted a false picture of the situation in Hong Kong.
“The Consulate General praises the Chinese international students’ spontaneous acts and deeds out of their love of China and love of Hong Kong, and their actions to oppose splitting the country,” the statement said.
“The Consulate General strongly condemns the use of the recent situation in Hong Kong, under the pretext of so-called academic freedom and freedom of expression, on the university campus to engage in smearing attacks on the Chinese government and the Hong Kong SAR government, inciting anti-China sentiment, and creating opposition between Chinese and Hong Kong students.”
…the next escalation here a Hong Kong crack down and an offical call onto the streets of Chinese New Zealanders as a flexing of muscle to remind NZers just how many Chinese NZers now call Aotearoa home.
Ihumātao could be the least of the Government’s problems.
And this is nice moderate China in a foreign country.
What happens if they flex their muscles on any policy not just the government, universities, etc? NZ has become reliant on China in many areas, including obviously donations, in the Natz quarter in return for a list place and no doubt Labour are not against turning down donations.
Sadly money seems more important than morals these days and you can be sold out or compromised for not very much effort.
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What Mr Trotter didn’t factor in to his take on the matter, is China is not governed by reason. It is a fascist dictatorship intent on looking strong and quelling dissent.
The plus side for the rest of the world is they have let the cat out of the bag early in terms of how they view the rest of us. Look no further than the postings of Mark to see this in action.
We can’t say we haven’t been warned.
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Time for a pro-democracy rally in support of Hong Kong.
@ DS, Ha, ha, lets ever see if that happens… it seems a long time ago that Russell Norman was in trouble for waving the Tibet flag.
In my view there was a harassment campaign to get Russell Norman out of parliament in the months before he left. Likewise Cunliffe one of the brighter politicians.
I was thinking about the excellent speech that Metiria gave in 2016,
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1601/S00107/metiria-tureis-state-of-the-nation-speech.htm
“And we see a New Zealand where our people and our sovereignty are our priority. Not international companies and their profit margins. Not trade deals with countries who execute their citizens. But a green economy built on fairness, pay equity, on the new global opportunities that sit just within our reach. If we are willing to lean forward to take them.”
We did give Greens our vote, got them into parliament, and not sure giving away water to countries who execute their citizens was part of the deal, nor the massive amount of immigration which over time will remove sovereignty.
It is all about moderation. NZ is not doing moderate policies anymore, they are doing Rogernomics experimentation with trade deals, with immigration, with tertiary education and it is going badly with skills shortages, wage shortages, environmental degradation and more wealth being privatised.
I don’t want to always bitch against the Greens, but maybe if they read TDB they can look back at that speech and look at those ideals they used to have! If they gathered it back and not just a few of them, them they would be a much more supported party, like in Metira’s and Russell’s day.
The USA executes its citizen NZ and clamors to deal with them and get a trade deal.
I don’t remember about the US executing its citizens as being a barrier or even consideration when NACT did a secret behind closed doors with US corporate for a TPP.
A bit of bias present or is there more to it.
John W – It’s not really the same though is it? Yes, some US states execute prisoners (although I believe that is trending down), but some of the stuff China does is another level entirely!
Not sure what you mean by another level. Please explain. Are there executions of citizens that are acceptable and ones that aren’t. Could we have definition of this please.
I’m going to take a wild guess and say that harvesting organs from political prisoners is probably a no go in the USA.
Im going to take a wild guess and say that US propaganda wildly flung about without references supplied is more indication of your general animosity to China i. e. your racism
This comment stream is really verging on outright racism. I have no problem with your repeated assertions of not dealing with countries that execute their own citizens but note that really China is the only country that gets such an excited treatment. The US also executes its own citizens as does Saudi Arabia and Israel. Yet China is the only country that can have a post on this site that always gets someone excited about them executing their own citizens. The death penalty is a terrible thing for any crime. A Maori Chief visiting Sydney in the early 1800s whose name I think was Te Paia was horrified that the Governor could execute someone for stealing pork but could understand it for stealing an iron tool. The death penalty should not exist and that goes for the US as well. So all the people here that are berating China and demanding an end to trade with them, would they also demand the same for the US? Or would they say oh but thats different?
And with regard to the protests in Hong Kong dont be so quick to believe everything you read that is fed from the likes of CNN. It shouldnt be news that they lie. For a take from the other side you could try this.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/07/violent-color-revolution-in-hong-kong-fails-despite-strong-nyt-support.html#more
A lot of money from the US NED has flowed into Hong Kong and a lot of effort has been made to provoke an over the top response from HK police. However, the general path taken by “colour” revolutions is better understood these days and the attempts to provoke a violent response have been avoided.
You may not like China or the Chinese but they have suffered a lot at the hands of the Western world which has always tried to break them. They have a long history and great experience in peaceful diplomacy. You can go what about Tibet or the Uighurs but the list of the whatabouts for the West completely dwarfs those for China.
What we object to is the Chinese Communist Party using the People’s Liberation Army to slaughter Chinese people, as they did in Tiananmen Square (and many other places in China) in 1989 and are clearly planning to do in Hong Kong thirty years later. Tell me what is racist about expressing that opinion?
I think we can all agree that massacres by armies are a terrible thing. But what you state above as the thing ‘we’all agree about is the first time it has been mentioned in this thread. The line of argument previously was execution of citizens. History is another thing. The history of Terrible deeds by armies is long and horrifying and is one of the most urgent matters if we are to progress as a species or end up on the scrap heap of evolution
Michael Gibson: “What we object to is the Chinese Communist Party using the People’s Liberation Army to slaughter Chinese people, as they did in Tiananmen Square (and many other places in China) in 1989 and are clearly planning to do in Hong Kong thirty years later.”
What you claim happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989 is a western propaganda narrative. For pity’s sake, don’t read US or UK reportage uncritically. See this:
https://off-guardian.org/2019/07/12/30-years-after-tiananmen-square-the-u-s-is-still-trying-to-destabilize-china/
“A Turkish scholar recently claimed that as many as 12.5 million Muslims have died in wars in the past 25 years, the vast majority a result of American foreign policy. Not to mention the fact that the U.S. still operates a very real concentration camp for Muslims in its naval base on the coast of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, which President Donald Trump has signed an executive order to keep open indefinitely.
For seventeen years, GITMO prisoners have been held and tortured without trial in total violation of international law. At the end of the day, “human rights” is a weapon to manipulate credulous liberals into supporting hawkish foreign policy whereby minority groups like China’s Tibetans and Uyghurs become pawns on the geopolitical chess board to undermine Washington’s adversaries.”
Anent Tiananmen:
“To this day the story according to the yellow press is that the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) opened fire indiscriminately and massacred “thousands” of “non-violent” demonstrators when it finally cleared the city square after nearly 2 months of student-led protests.
This was accepted as orthodoxy, even on much of the left, until this version of events was revealed to be contradicted by the U.S.’s own embassy cables published in 2011 by Wikileaks.
These cables divulged that the U.S. government had knowingly been allowing to the media to recount a fictitious narrative for decades. The confidential telegrams summarized the eyewitness account of Carlos Gallo, a Chilean diplomat, who was present during the June Fourth incident and told a very different story.”
At the time of the Tiananmen Square protests, we knew someone travelling in China. Their account of what they saw from the balcony (if I remember accurately) of their hotel room overlooking the square differed markedly from what the press was telling us at the time. I can assure you that, had there been any mass shooting, there is no way in the world that they’d have continued to sit there and watch; not with bullets flying about!
“Tell me what is racist about expressing that opinion?”
I don’t subscribe to the modern characterisation of racism. It isn’t racist to criticise people of other nationalities and ethnicities, and it’s ridiculous to suggest that it is. The term “racism” is now used just as an epithet to shut people up when they express dissenting views.
I note on this thread that we have Rosielee uncritically agreeing with comments, while on another thread, the very same person is reminding people about racism etc. Yet many comments here are “racist” as it is now defined.
Lol the racism card. Predictable.
The drones are out in force eh Mark. When are you logging wei on?.
Don’t make me remind you who had been using the racist, sexist derogatory language.
Laugh all you like.
Veiled threats now? Are you going to be like Mark and tell us the West is “going to get what’s coming?”
If your intent is to appear sinister, you are succeeding.
No. Just laughing at you laughing. And at your continual fear mongering. Now somehow I’ve become sinister? Hows that work? Are you now a new victim of Chinese violence like the girl in the video?
Unlike yourselves crying victim from racism, I am not. Despite being racially abused by Mark on this blog previously.
But I am a citizen who believes in personal freedoms including free speech in my country and does not like bullies.
I don’t want to be “that guy”, but I do worry that as the population becomes increasingly Chinese through mass immigration that the nation will become increasingly sympathetic to Chinese government policies. At what point do you immigrate in enough people that they become a significant voting block in their own right, and governments start turning even more of a blind eye to please them?
It’s not a race thing. I’m just concerned that we are bringing people in faster than they can assimilate into the local culture.
All candidates for council or electorate office should be vetted. If they are not bona fide citizens they should be sent packing. Students for polytechs and unis should also be vetted. If they do not abide by our ways while they pursue their studies, they should be sent packing.
Oh please with the its not a race thing. What would you call it then. We’ve been importing Brits and Yanks in greater quantities and for longer but I guess its only a problem when The colour is wrong
I just watched the Video in question up to the point of contact and if you dont think she took a dive then you really shouldnt be reffing anything. The guy reaches out and makes light contact with the back of his hand and she buckles and goes down. That would be her “friend” on the camera I spose. There is no way there will be any charges following because in the context of the animated conversation that it was reaching out with the back of your hand is pretty gentle contact. Certainly not enough to get so excited except for all that latent hostility towards Chinese
“If there was any question over whether or not China is supporting tensions on Auckland University, the Chinese consulate has bewilderingly praised the recent violence by pro-China students on Auckland University…”
It has done no such thing. I suggest that you read the press release. If your Chinese language skills aren’t up to it, try Google translate, and read it in English.
Actually,in China , the whole west world are generally portrayed as developed, people with good manners and fairness thinking ability.
Those students are eager to go outside to embrace such beautiful future and finally the facts are facts.
That is why most of them suddenly become more patriotic than in China.
They start knowing something:
It is freedom but not for u,
It is democracy but not for u,
When they say something different, they are brain washed
When western people say something,that is critical thinking
When China government arrest terrorist, that is oppressing.
When western bombing other countries, that is liberation.
And so many so-called China experts even can not understand Chinese language at primary school level!
Of cause, they don’t need that, they have freedom to write!
The fact? Who cares!
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