The Quantum Of Hate

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THE QUANTUM OF HATE abroad in a nation will determine the degree to which that nation succumbs to populist distempers. It’s a simple calculation: the more hate there is, the more raw material the populists have to work with, and the more hate they can make. It stands to reason, therefore, that the more manifestations of love there are in a nation’s politics, the stronger its defence against populism.

Nowhere was the truth of that proposition more dramatically demonstrated than in the aftermath of the 15 March Christchurch Shootings. The New Zealand Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern’s, political articulation and personal demonstration of the love that was owed to the victims of that attack, and to the Muslim community against which it was directed, astonished the world. It gave inspiration and direction to the New Zealand people on how best to respond to a tragedy of unprecedented horror. Tens-of-thousands followed her lead.

But not everybody. In the hours, days, weeks and months that followed the Christchurch Shootings, love was not the only emotion in play. Across the entire political spectrum, hate was also on the march. Those who shared the Christchurch Shooter’s twisted far-right philosophy revelled in his bloodstorm. On the left, too, hatred surged. Many leftists felt perversely vindicated by the attack. Had they not warned their fellow citizens that such genocidal fanaticism stalked New Zealand streets? Surely, now was the time to confront the racists and the fascists and the white supremacists head-on – and shut them down.

Thus, is the quantum of hate increased. Not by one side of the political divide acting alone, but by the heightened emotions of both the right and the left slamming headlong into one another. Fuelled by these mutual antagonisms, the bonfires of hate burn brighter and brighter.

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Across the planet, no issue illustrates this process more vividly than immigration. In a recent Newsroom article on the persistent failure of the Office of Ethnic Communities to build a lasting relationship with the ethnic groups it was set up to serve, Laura Walters presented the reader with a very jarring set of statistics:

“When the office was created [in 2000] about 200,000 people belonged to New Zealand’s minority communities. This number rose to about 800,000 in 2018.

“The largest growing groups are from Asia, with Asian community members numbering just 48,000 people 30 years ago, and growing almost tenfold to 472,000 by 2013. That population is projected to reach more than 1.2 million in another 20 years.

“The 2013 Census also recorded a combined Asian and MELAA (Middle Eastern, Latin American and African) population of 519,000 people, representing 13 percent of the total population. The rapid growth in those populations has also had an impact on the size of New Zealand’s religious minority groups, particularly Islam and Hinduism.”

Regardless of whether one views immigration as a good thing or a bad thing, there can be no disputing its dramatic impact on the demographic profile of New Zealand society. The official motivation behind the decision to transition this country away from ethnic homogeneity and towards a multicultural society may have been profoundly progressive, but its potential political consequences have always been, and continue to be, extremely dangerous.

The sheer speed at which the character of New Zealand society has been transformed by this top-down demographic revolution was never sanctioned democratically. No politician or party ever asked the New Zealand electorate whether it was happy to see the size of its ethnic communities swell by a factor of 4. This absence of a democratic mandate not only lays the immigration “revolutionaries” open to bitter criticism, but also to outright political hostility and ideological rage.

Just how deep this political and ideological anger may run is a question many on the left of New Zealand politics would prefer to leave unanswered. They are not at all anxious to learn the scale of popular animosity towards immigrant communities. Hypothetically, what is the correct political response to a finding that upwards of two-thirds of “native” New Zealanders would prefer their government to revert to an immigration policy based upon preserving ethnic homogeneity?

To date, the answer appears to involve branding anyone suggesting such a course of action as racist and/or xenophobic. These are harsh rebukes. Few people are willing to risk being branded as either. Public accusations of racism and xenophobia are not something job applicants want a prospective employer discovering when their name is Googled. Such branding is particularly destructive of academic and political careers. This is important, since it turns those best equipped to contest New Zealand’s official immigration policies into the ones least likely to do so.

Only the NZ First Party has been willing to consistently challenge New Zealand’s multicultural immigration policy. The considerable electoral rewards which these challenges have netted Winston Peters, and the party he founded, have only reinforced the multiculturalists’ determination to do all they can to keep a serious review of immigration policy fundamentals off the agendas of all the Act, Green, Labour and National parties.

The Christchurch tragedy has rendered such a review all the more unlikely. It would be interpreted by the defenders of the status quo as a capitulation to the racism and xenophobia which the Christchurch Shooter took such obscene pride in representing. Indeed, the unintended legacy of the Shooter’s attack is precisely the opposite of what he intended: the elevation of multiculturalism to the status of New Zealand’s secular faith; with the image of Jacinda in a headscarf becoming its internationally celebrated icon.

So, Love is winning? For the moment it is. Yes.

But, beneath New Zealand’s multicultural surface, the unseen and unacknowledged generators of Hate continue to hum. There is a dreadful energy in Laura Walters’ statistics, especially in the projection that New Zealand’s Asian population will reach 1.2 million in just 20 years.

We read about the seemingly unrelated eruptions of racist violence on our nation’s streets, and decline to join the dots. Progressives try not to think about the angry men and women who continue to walk among them. And those on the left who do attempt to hinder their progress, only succeed in making them angrier.

When the quantum of hate reaches the lip of the vessel in which it is presently contained, and the nation’s most accomplished haters bend all their powers toward toppling it, then the resulting flood will see Love drown.

 

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      • You can write ‘fuck’ here in its entirety @ TM and why the horse? What did the horse do? Or? Maybe the horse would appreciate some ‘sexy times’? A step ladder? Some roses? Edible, of course.
        I’m white. Yep. White as. I’m so white, I have small brown spots too so as people can see me in , say, fog. Or snow. A steamy bathroom without my spots? Invisible. I might be standing riiiight beside you…!
        And here’s the thing. My first OE was into the far reaches of Indonesia. Beyond Bali, Beyond Nusa Lembongan, beyond Nusa Dua etc and deep into the inner reaches of Lombok, as it was in the day and even beyond. We found sea side villages without money of any kind. We discovered families living without fluro vests who sold petrol in glass jars by the road side. I asked for a fruit lassi at a remote cafe once and heard the ‘waiter’ start up his steppie ( Scooter) and bing-bing-bing off! We sat there, smoking delicious Marlboro Lite’s until we heard a distant bing-bing-bing-bing… Bing,bing,bing,bing…! Then silence. Then? We heard a loud engine start! It was a generator. Then? We heard a grinding noise ! Then??? The waiter appeared with a tall glass of lassi. Fruit lassi. Mmmmm. He didn’t have ice so he told me with a beetle nut grin. He had to race off, buy petrol for his generator, come back,start the bugger then he could turn on his ice crusher … A stickler for tradition.
        The thing about that, that I noticed was that we all got along. He was a funny guy and I liked him. He, no doubt thought the same. Otherwise why bother? Then we all sat under a palm tree and smoked cigarettes as monkeys came and went as birds went Ka Kaw!
        Division is manufactured. Racism is a bi product of cunning plans. Hate is a means to divide thus conquer. If we’re to survive we must understand the ways of the enemy. And the enemy is that which promotes rancour.
        Down round these here parts however… God help any smiling brown skin person wandering lonely as a star. And we think WE are the civilised ones.

      • Tiger Mountain: “F**k you Castro…”

        Castro is correct, though. He was an Australian, radicalised outside NZ. Very likely outside Australia as well.

        Nothing of this sort has happened here, access to the internet by people with weird ideas notwithstanding.

  1. Well that was a jolly column Chris.

    To those of us around in the 70s, NZ does seem to be filling up a bit–but we are still the size of a minor US city in reality, spread (apart from the Auck. Ham. Tauranga, golden triangle) across a long narrow country.

    What has caused the resentment in my view, is the legacy of Roger ’n’ Ruth. 30 years of neo liberalism that has never addressed the underclass created by Roger Douglas’ wrecking ball that swung through the regions, state infrastructure and manufacturing.

    If serious retraining and lots of resources had been directed to the underclass the self employed, small business and SME types might not be so bitter and twisted now. To let many thousands, and several generations languish, while importing cheap migrant labour is what has contributed to this mess.

    • Totally agree with that Tiger Mountain. If every one in the country felt like they were doing OK there wouldn’t be envious eyes cast in the direction of the ‘others’

      The pity is that people don’t realise that the upper class is their actual enemy not the immigrants (or beneficiaries for that matter).

      For lefties I can only suggest that we stop labelling people as racists and instead draw their attention to the people who are really responsible for their financial struggles.

      The name Roger Douglass is usually enough to point people in the right direction. We’re living in the world he wanted to create and it’s pretty much working as intended with the rich getting richer at our expense. In fact immigrants are just people from other countries that got so badly screwed over the decided to leave.

    • Tiger Mountain: “If serious retraining and lots of resources had been directed to the underclass the self employed, small business and SME types might not be so bitter and twisted now. To let many thousands, and several generations languish, while importing cheap migrant labour is what has contributed to this mess.”

      Yup. Totally agree with you.

  2. You attack those you fear the most.
    Why does the media rush to ‘shape’ events?
    Why are the same ‘keywords’ always used?
    Psych 101 – If you see and hear the same thing over and over again……..
    They do not want you thinking for yourself.
    They do not want you challenging their authority.
    Logical thinking always wins.
    Trust yourself (always).
    Attacks will intensify [FAKE NEWS [arm of the L party]].
    Enemy of the PEOPLE.

  3. Immigration per se I sn’t inherently good or bad.
    It stands to reason immigration levels should be planned around available infrastructure, the carrying capacity of the environment, sound local wages and enough goodwill/ open mindedness to all get along well without upsetting each other’s way of life.
    Those migrating should become actual citizens and forego other citizenships, no vote unless a citizen.

    Absolutely the citizens of this country should choose the specifics of all those factors.
    It is after all, our country.
    Citizens should not have immigration policy dictated by any government with an agenda ( be that capitalist globalization or mass multiculturalism) or forced on the local population by the UN or anyone else.
    It is after all our country
    Unfortunately to date we do not have any say, with both major parties holding the doors open to low skill migration.
    A thoughtful piece Mr Trotter.

  4. Show me a Western country where Islamic culture has seamlessly integrated.
    Sure, cultural divides have always existed – it’s why places like Little Italy, Chinatown, Little Havana, the Greek Precinct, etc are present in many major cities. However, most immigrant cultures have shared values of the West’s “unalienable rights” (e.g. speech, religion, life, etc). This notion is utterly incompatible under Islamic Law (Sharia). Until Muslim immigrants and citizens renounce Sharia (a major part of Islamic belief), there can imo never be a functioning system in which the two cultures can co-exist without friction.
    It’s very easy to assume that Muslims will somehow, someday embrace Western ideals, but that means by definition they must somehow, someday distance themselves from their religious foundations – i.e. you’re being seriously naive if you think that this is going to happen (unless you think the equivalent of an Islamic “enlightenment” period is imminent).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

  5. The rate of immigration to New Zealand over the past ten years has been three times that of the UK. In the UK modest levels of immigration were a contributing factor to Brexit. Peak net immigration in the UK was 336000 in June 2016, it has since fallen to around 230000.

    336000 in a population of 65.6 million is 0.5%. Peak met immigration in New Zealand was 72400 in 2017 on a population of 4.8 million or 1.5%. So without any democratic mandate we have had net migration three times higher than a country now going through considerable social upheaval as a result of perceptions of it.

    Additionally we have maxed out local body debt levels to try and keep up with the infrastructure and housing required for these new arrivals. I work in IT. Salary levels have crashed over the past few years as local companies rort the visa system to import staff after pretending locals are not available. Many local staff were encouraged to move into IT after their industries died after Rogernomics.

    I don’t care where immigration is coming from. When you are using it as the primary driver of economic growth your economy has a problem. The economy no longer seems to be able to create jobs that don’t need subsidies like WFF and rent supplements. I don’t see this ending well.

  6. People fear what they don’t understand. And they hate what they fear. That’s why ignorant people hate so much, that is where the hate comes from. It’s a sad situation

      • If immigration is about hate, let me know why every country has immigration laws to control immigration!

        Immigration and racism are two different things!

        But in NZ to ensure the cheap workers and consumers pile into NZ for the businesses… somehow the mainstream and the woke seem to have created that controlling immigration is somehow racist…

        ahem, all countries have immigration laws but only countries like Israel to create a zionist vision (at the expense of the locals) and NZ are stupid enough to have one of the highest immigration in the world, when unlike Israel which gets huge subsidies from the US, NZ has to fund it itself and now under pressure from social welfare to housing to transport to pollution to education to health care from the stupidity not to mention the social cleansing aspect driving certain ethnic groups like Maori and Pakeha out of big cities.

  7. Personally I think we have too much immigration full stop. Black, white or yellow.
    My wife thinks there is too much asian immigration which is ironic since she is an Asian immigrant herself.
    Her point of view is not that different cultures are bad, but too much infusion of people of different cultures results in the underlying culture changing dramatically rather than cultural integration .
    She also points out that some cultures are more resistant to integrating, which causes other issues.
    I think on both points she makes a good case.

    • Jays: “Her point of view is not that different cultures are bad, but too much infusion of people of different cultures results in the underlying culture changing dramatically rather than cultural integration .
      She also points out that some cultures are more resistant to integrating, which causes other issues.”

      Your missus is a wise woman indeed.

  8. Finally, one leading left leaning opinion shaper and sharer speaks it out:
    “The sheer speed at which the character of New Zealand society has been transformed by this top-down demographic revolution was never sanctioned democratically. No politician or party ever asked the New Zealand electorate whether it was happy to see the size of its ethnic communities swell by a factor of 4. This absence of a democratic mandate not only lays the immigration “revolutionaries” open to bitter criticism, but also to outright political hostility and ideological rage.”

    Hate is one expression of anger, where the anger is turned against a person or object or state of affairs.

    This anger has a source, it does not simply come from nothing. Like love, hate can be very powerful, and people filled with it can come up with very smart expressions and with ideas as to how to use the energy contained in their emotions.

    It can hence be very powerful and destructive, in some cases also constructive, if channeled in the right direction.

    So what are the solutions?

    We are offered none, I fear, as the ones running and controlling the system, and the vocal advocates for it, they do all to silence any critics and angry persons, coming up with ever more rules, laws, bylaws and media and thought control measures.

    They are actually digging their own grave and that of democracy with what they are doing, they are creating a system that will lose all credibility and support by a significant share of the population, and so will become the target of those who will do all to destroy the system we have.

    Germany in the 1920s and 1930s would be a good example of what happens in the end, and those who care should read that country’s history, to get a grip of what it means. The circumstances were a bit different, the causes for anger also, but the mechanics and how it escalates when things go wrong can be applied to many situations in various countries, also NZ Inc..

    Conditions are enforced upon New Zealanders whether they like them or not, it is like a PC dictatorship what we are approaching, some say we already have it.

    So perhaps those liberals and social engineering supporters, and particularly the elitist neoliberals, and business lobbies, may start thinking a bit about what they are doing. Else they may get a reaction they never thought may hit them one day.

    Trump may just have been the beginning of worse to come.

    • Countries that have overwhelming immigration always get conflict from Tibet/China, Israel/Palestine, Fiji coup, Former Yugoslavia… NZ has the treaty of Waitangi, but you have to wonder who is going to enforce that with so much of NZ now in private ownership and overseas agreements signed that mean Maori will have to fight and spend a fortune to bring a case that might bankrupt them, which they will probably lose because the TPPA court is a kangaroo court not an international court anyway.

      I would have thought time was right for a Maori race relations commissioner but apparently being a sports person or former Mayor opens so many doors outside of their experience…

  9. If any member or group of society, or even a government, would tighten up immigration and other policies by targeting ethnic Chinese, they risk now the serious wrath of the Beijing based government of Mainland China, a superpower that is becoming bigger and ever more assertive. It is not a democratic country and has a dim view of the rule of law. Just see how they treat Canada where the Huawei CEO was arrested and is being held with possibility of being extradited to the USA.

    Remember the Pro Tibet and Falun Gong protests years ago, where Chinese dignitaries pressured the NZ government and local councils like in Auckland to shield them from such ‘undesired’ protestors, who would ‘disrupt’ their visits here.

    We are already how towing to China, full stop, the future will be worse, the ones living here, although NZ residents and perhaps even citizens, they will be used by Mainland China as a powerful force to put pressure on NZ governments and the population here, to ensure they do not upset Mainland China and ethnic Chinese.

  10. New Zealand’s fertility rate (the number of babies born) is declining. If left on our own New Zealand’s population would be slowly growing at a manageable pace, and would perhaps start to shrink by mid century.

    But businesses demand access to cheap labour. And you can’t have cheap, exploitable, labour with a shrinking population.

    So faced with with this the government has some choices:
    1- Encourage businesses to invest in R&D to increase productivity, and thus requiring less workers. (Although this means businesses actually spending money to modernise production – impacting short term profits…. Oh no!!).
    2- Increase immigration to artificially inflate the available labour pool so businesses can still have access to cheap labourers.

    Governments are too scared to do anything to upset business, so they go with option 2.

    • I think the mass NZ immigration started accidentally after the global financial crisis bought about by the greedy banks fucked the world in particular the middle class and poor, and then immigration took on a speed of it’s own that became a money spinner for Key, kept him in power and now no one wants to pop the ponzi.

  11. Whether immigartion is a good thing or a bad thing in a real sense has a lot to do with what its purpose is. If its to help refugees and to meet chronic skills shortages it could be viewed as benefical.

    If on the other handits used to replace skilled local workers with less expensive imported workers to help business bottom lines its understandbale people would resent it.

    If government wants immigration to be seen as a positive it needs to be done with care and respect for the needs of the existing populace. I’d add I peronsally do not view the tragedy in Chch as a immigration issue but as a criminal one.

  12. “New Zealand’s Asian population will reach 1.2 million in just 20 years” and Maori will make up much less than that. According to the woke left colonisation was bad in the 1800s but now it’s great! Just don’t ask Maori – the woke left won’t like what they hear.

    • The greens want NZ to be open for the worlds climate change refugees (I’m not kidding read their policy), I’m not sure where they are putting up the tens of millions of refugees but I suspect it’s not at their place.

      • With the Green refugee policy, Not even sure who is paying for it… with the free water to the Chinese… no taxes from the Ozzies… oh I know the declining amount of people who are rich enough to afford an Kiwibuild home can go to the food banks they need after paying their mortgage, tax and bills!

        Although personally would prefer the refugees than the migrants working the liquor stores, free social welfare to aged parents and family members, and scams.

  13. While immigration in New Zealand is presented to the population as a progressive issue, the reality is it’s a purely economic one. And governments don’t care about the impacts of immigration on local culture, the environment, social welfare programs, infrastructure, housing, etc… It’s all about business.

    New Zealand’s fertility rate (the number of babies born to each female) is declining. People just aren’t having that many kids. If left on our own New Zealand’s population would be slowly growing at a manageable pace, and would perhaps start to shrink by mid century as the boomer generation dies off.

    But businesses demand access to cheap, exploitable, labour with low wages that don’t cut into profits. And you can’t have cheap labour with a shrinking population. It’s supply and demand. Less population = less potential employees. Less available employees means you need to offer more to entice people to work for you. This means higher wages and less profits. And business simply don’t want to pay.

    This is why the fruit industry goes crazy over access to foreign labourers. And why our construction industry is propped up by Phillipino workers being paid fuck all and essentially treated as slaves.

    So faced with with this the government has some choices:
    1 – Encourage businesses to employ local New Zealand citizens at competitive rates.
    2 – Encourage businesses to invest in R&D to increase productivity, and thus requiring less workers. (Although this means businesses actually spending money to modernise production – impacting short term profits…. Oh no!!).
    3 – Increase immigration to artificially inflate the available labour pool so businesses can still have access to cheap, exploitable, labourers.

    Governments are too scared to do anything to upset business, so they go with option 2.

    Meanwhile, house prices go through the roof, our health system is at capacity, and wages remain stagnant.

  14. Agree with Chris and most others here. I have long thought that, ignoring the infrastructure and economic base, NZ has a far too small and too homogeneous a population to successfully accommodate too many people who are different.

    Living down the bottom of the world has also isolated us from the influences of other cultures that eg continental Europe can experience on a daily basis – and which I envy.

    This has always been quite a horrid country to be different in – and even just looking different can be difficult. For some reason I know not, I think that we are more parochial than we used to be, and are more narrow-minded – maybe it’s been engineered that way.

    More tragic is the fact that the ChCh Muslim massacre seems to have been a demon-sent opportunity for religious nutters like Tamaki’s mob
    to try and create social division when it is the Islam community who are the victims here, and not the perpetrators of harm. It is soberly shocking that something so evil is being so evilly utilised – it’s more than just political opportunism, and I find it a bit scary.

    Shadowb – Shakespeare said, ‘to thine own self be true’ and the rest will follow thru’ – something like that- but I say it to myself in the face of nutty stuff now.

  15. “The official motivation behind the decision to transition this country away from ethnic homogeneity and towards a multicultural society may have been profoundly progressive….”

    Nothing progressive about it: the motivation was profoundly neoliberal. We could see evidence of it overseas from not long after WW2; it took until the late 80s/early 90s to arrive here. The push towards multiculturalism was accompanied by a conflation of the meaning of the term “racism” with personal prejudice: how people thought of, and spoke about, other ethnic groups.

    The opening of the borders to large scale immigration produced significant numbers of people willing to work for much lower wages than NZ-born citizens. And the conflation of “racism” with personal prejudice and bias toward other ethnic groups meant that our governments could beat us about the ears with the racism accusation if we complained about the effects of immigration on our job market.

    Nobody likes being accused of racism; so the effect was to squelch debate, at least in public. But it by no means follows that the citizens in general agree with the levels of immigration we’ve had to endure over the past 30-ish years.

    “….what is the correct political response to a finding that upwards of two-thirds of “native” New Zealanders would prefer their government to revert to an immigration policy based upon preserving ethnic homogeneity?”

    If this is so, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit, given what I’ve heard people say in private. Humans are a groupish species: they prefer to live and work with people who are like them, look like them, share their values and cultural mores. Nothing wrong with that: it’s a part of the human condition.

    Neoliberalism’s project is to force multiculturalism upon us. It’s a futile enterprise – as no less a person than Angela Merkel pointed out some years ago, when she said that multiculturalism had failed in Germany. It has failed here, too.

    • Not sure in what way has multiculturalism failed. What problems have say chinese and Indians brought to the country that makes their presence here a net negative, compared to if it was all white south Africans and brits instead?

      • Conservation ethic.
        Please discuss shellfish gathering practices.
        Also volunteering ethic.

        • Overinflated house prices.
          Strained infrastructure.
          Elderly parents brought here on welfare.

          • I agree that elderly parents should not be allowed to be brought here. But that’s an easy loophole to close.

            In terms of infrastructure ure and house prices, assuming migrants are responsible, can’t see the difference in impact between say 100000 Chinese on the one hand or 100000 white brits or South Africans on the other.

            • +1 Mark

              “I agree that elderly parents should not be allowed to be brought here. But that’s an easy loophole to close.”

              But what about all the other relatives coming in on the basis on one person’s basic job such as being a nursing assistant and bringing in migrants husbands and children! https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203129
              Or coming to study/work here and then having a baby that will need (even if they pay) more health care and resources which are already in short supply for existing NZ mothers and babies!

              Or having aged relative staying with them that need high needs medical care in unusual circumstances that are happening more and more when people from completely different cultures get into trouble here and need months of medical and disability help.

              https://littleindia.com/new-zealand-family-recovers-botulism-loses-memory/
              https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/114070065/two-with-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-after-using-brazier-in-bedroom-at-papatoetoe-home

              We already have enough of own people born here who need urgent care after suffering from accidents and misadventure!

              Once here relatives can also qualify for pensions, gold card etc on ordinarily resident in New Zealand visas which they can get from their relatives low paid job!

              People are now getting into NZ and then in their 70’s recent migrants who were already bought in as aged parents are getting married to other people they meet online and bringing in more older people who will eventually qualify for everything free that workers here pay for
              too!

              https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/376220/10k-11-days-and-one-failed-deportation

              This is nothing to do with racism, it is to do with fairness and scamming our pathetically relaxed immigration and visa rules that will mean eventually most people working here born in NZ will never enjoy the same benefits because of our government’s actions and like water resources giving away money to migrants for free, so that the next generation who paid all the taxes including all the new user pays ones, will qualify for nothing!

        • The average Chinese and Indian uses far fewer of the world’s resources than the average white Westerner.

          Shellfish gathering practices ….have some stats there mate?

          Volunteering ethic…..so loads of brit and South African whites fresh off the boat have a better volunteering ethic??????? (where’s your evidence that its good or bad, relatively speaking?????)

          In fact South African whites are the most racist fucken motherfuckers in the planet, and bring those views to NZ.

          My brother was working on a construction site, and a South African quantity surveyor was very unhappy over the presence of a Nigerian origin immigrant colleague.

      • @mark

        People now have $7 left for food for a family after they WORK a 40 hour week… not sure that is really moving NZ forwards!

        “Based on an Auckland household of one working adult earning just over the minimum wage for 40 hours per week, factoring in rent, debt, power, water, transport, medical and school costs to pay before buying food, led the mission to calculate some families were left with $6.43 to spend on each meal.”

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114024912/thousands-of-aucklanders-living-in-food-poverty–city-mission

          • Mark: “So how is that the fault of the Chinese?”

            You do understand the effects on this country of uncontrolled immigration, right? Go look at Auckland, if you don’t believe the commenters here.

            • Who said immigration was ‘uncontrolled’?

              The number of ‘white’ immigrants is about the same as the number of asian immigrants.

          • It’s not the fault of the Chinese it is the fault of NZ flawed immigration policy and neoliberal ideology and now due to putting too many eggs in one basket, their fear of upsetting the Chinese government and have their precious exports left on the docks and Air NZ aeroplanes turned back mid flight.

        • South African whites main reason for getting out is they don’t like black rule, and don’t like the idea of a concept called payback, which is coming to them soon.

          • Our government now is overwhelmingly trying to attract nationals from mainland China, India and Philippines, and the unemployed like Tarrents from OZ automatically get residency here and can get free welfare from day 1, which is NOT reciprocated to NZ in OZ!

      • Mark: “Not sure in what way has multiculturalism failed.”

        Lots of examples in reply, I see. But I’ll add my contribution.

        In Auckland now, there’s a substantial population of Chinese who speak English poorly or not at all. It’s an issue because this population doesn’t – indeed cannot – vote, even in local, let alone national, elections.

        Moreover, they are unaware of our laws and customs; this is a significant problem. Think of the biohazard incursions here: probably not a coincidence that it’s been problematic in Auckland, where many people simply don’t understand that some items they bring in from overseas are potentially dangerous to our ecology and economy.

        Societies work best when they’re homogeneous: shared values and mores, especially shared language. Folk who learn the predominant language of a polity will perforce acquire some knowledge of the values and mores underpinning that society. And they’ll be better-equipped to behave as engaged citizens.

    • +1 D’ESTERRE

      It is obvious that our immigration is part of the Rogernomics direction aka for neoliberalism, because the immigration selection is also in the direction of cheaper workers as well as countries who have no free health care or education or social welfare in their own country so will be ok with paying for it in the future and countries that have high levels of corruption and like to give ‘donations’ to those in power.

      While I think it is a great idea that overseas NZ immigration offices are being closed down to hopefully improve quality and decrease corruption, apparently two overseas offices, Mumbai and Beijing are to remain open. (Apparently maybe Manila will also stay open and some in Pacific Islands too).

      So it is clear there is a strong preference for the migrants that the government wants in NZ, Indians, Mainland Chinese (not Hong Kong Chinese) and possibly Filipinos or those from the Pacific!

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11923590

    • The biggest immigration rates, proportionate to the number of people living in the country, was post war European, mainly British migration.

      • @ MARC.
        You’re coming across as a fucking idiot. You should smoke pot immediately.
        Pot does many wondrous things including giving the self a degree of insite. You had best be careful though, lest you see that which you might not like about yourself. Guilt and remorse is the price of enlightenment. You’ve been warned.

        • Thank you for your kindness CB. Pot does not agree that well with me, I use an alternative that also has its side effects.

  16. Funny how everyone forgets that Labor and Jacinda ran on an anti-immigrant platform, and scapegoated NZ’s growing housing crisis and economic fears on foreigners. Remember they also went into coalition with the alt-right Nationalist party, with a known racist leader that once referred to all Muslims as “part of the extremist hydra”.

    Jacinda stands up and gives some nice speeches post tragedy, and the world fauns over her. They forget the hate and fear her own coalition stoked on the road to winning votes. They need to be held accountable for their part in empowering racism and xenophobia.

    • great example of the RW troll argument that will be used to bludgeon Kiwis into accepting the sale of their country to foreign elites, the theft of their future for the sake of house prices, the destruction of our sovereignty for thirty pieces of silver

      ignore the reality that 1000s of kiwis are homeless in winter

      ignore the fact that hospitals are overflowing, charities are sending out record numbers of food parcels, families are living in cars, WINZ is still throwing people to the wolves, that NZ has worse suicide stats in the OECD, worse than the road toll

      ignore the fact that the Nats privatised 1000s of state houses with fake meth testing, that they have deep ties to the PRC, that nobody asked Mana Whenua about immigration policy that is effective recolonisation and further marginalisation of our first people.

      fuck you joe

    • Are you blaming Ardern for the Christchurch mosque massacre? That’s a sick and twisted take.

      Criticising government policy that causes massive social dislocation is not racism. Who benefits from NZ’s current policy settings? The 1% transnational liberal elites might like it, butt the average Kiwi gets shafted.

      We are called haters and racists for pointing out that hundreds of Kiwi kids sleep in cars, don’t have proper food or clothing, while the politicians continue to sell off our country.

  17. The official motivation behind the decision to transition this country away from ethnic homogeneity and towards a multicultural society…really? You believe that?..lets face it… the motivation was more along the lines of importing cheap labour be it taxi drivers or nurses..and importing more consumers of housing and services.

    • Yep when NZ had one of the highest student loan interest rates in the world, guess what we ran into skill shortages a decade later as those that got educated were forced to leave NZ to pay off their students loans….

      like immigration, the privatisation of student loans were apparently argued to help the poor and Maori and Pacific Island communities get into education, but surprise surprise, became another stepping stone to re create NZ as third world country with people dying before they make their 4 – 12 month appointment for health care to name just a few issues popping up.

      – so convenient because the skills shortages are directly caused by Rogernomic’s and educated people are still leaving NZ at 8,000 per year and our immigration has less and less skilled migrants in NZ.

      Main occupations for Skilled Migrant Category principal applicants, 2016/17

      Chef 684 5.7%
      Registered Nurse (Aged Care) 559 4.6%
      Retail Manager (General) 503 4.2%
      Cafe or Restaurant Manager

      Number of people granted Essential Skills work visas by main occupations, 2016/17

      Chef 2,178 6.6%
      Dairy Cattle Farm Worker 1,617 4.9%
      Carpenter 1,478 4.5%
      Retail Supervisor 961 2.9%
      Cafe or Restaurant Manager 942 2.9%
      Retail Manager (General) 767 2.3%
      Aged or Disabled Carer 748 2.3%

      https://croakingcassandra.com/2018/08/30/work-visas-for-shop-managers/

      so this led to
      Bakery owner to pay back $33,800 illegally deducted from worker’s wages
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112128450/bakery-owner-to-pay-back-33800-illegally-deducted-from-workers-wages

      and this

      “Zara’s mother, Aileen, a nursing support worker, came to New Zealand first on a student visa in 2014. She was joined by her machine operator husband, Arnold, 41, two years later after she got her work visa.

      They have another daughter, Zia, 8, and a son, Aaron, 15, who have also come as dependent children of worker visitor visa holders.”

      She then had a baby in NZ creating further issues…

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12203129

      (So on the basis of a nursing assistant job, NZ brings in 2 migrant adults and 2 migrant children with an extra one born here, plus no doubt the parents and relatives will be next on the cards and we wonder why people are dying waiting for health care here… )

      This lady above is probably lovely, and so is her family, but seriously NZ now has locals who live in cars, die waiting for operations, have babies in car parks, billions spent on construction of more schools to house all the new children being born, more roads and pollution, all because of bizarre, ridiculous nonsensical immigration criteria that allow many more of follow the first visa or come here to take Meth, in a fake bakery job and labour scam!

  18. In the aftermath of the Al Noor massacre, the standard mantra was that “hate is the problem and love is the solution”.
    Yet the fundamental, underlying problem is not hate but the conditions which give rise to hate, and none of those conditions have been addressed or even acknowledged in the regime’s political discourse.
    Nor has the regime been consistent. It preaches love as the absolute answer while declaring finite limits to that love. It was left to one of Tarrant’s amazingly compassionate victims to say that the gunman also should be loved.
    So while love may be “the answer”, we also need the truth. We need to be able to question multiculturalism. We need to see that historically and universally it has been used as an instrument of exploitation of both native and migrant peoples, and that almost invariably it ends in communal blood-letting.
    For the past two centuries we as a people have had few difficulties tolerating different religions, and, if the truth of history were to be told (which the regime has not allowed in either its schools or mass media) we have got along pretty well with peoples of different ethnicity. Our wars have been fought over sovereignty, not over ethnicity.
    After all is said and done each of us have our own particular and unique mix of ethnicity and religious or philosophical belief and it is a common culture which enables us to get along despite our differences. We must share a transcendent common culture if we are to become and remain a united people.
    The Prime Minister knows, as we all know in our hearts, that colonialism cannot provide a common and unifying culture. Therefore she sings the praises of love and multiculturalism while holding fast to the legacy of colonialism and the vicious, chauvinist and obscurantist mentality of the Five Eyes alliance.
    However so long as there are people willing to confront the political issues which the regime would prefer us to ignore, there is ground to hope that the quantum of hate will diminish rather than increase.

  19. I don’t think we will see a tipping point but if economic stresses get worse then racial tensions will probably get worse. NZ desperately needs to put the brakes on its radical mega immigration policy but we kinda need it to prop up the world’s worst housing bubble.

    If we turn off the tap, house prices collapse, and the economy crashes, and we’re vulnerable to the rise of a populist.

    Neoliberalism has fucked us and we are caught in a Catch-22. At least we should stop lying to ourselves about the precarious state of NZ

    • An important discussion that will not be had. With record migration, housing shortage, low wages … what could possibly go wrong Jacinda?

  20. Sorry for the multiple posts everyone! The comment system wasn’t working last night… so tried re-writing it thinking it was a work limit thing. Then tried a different browser.

    Turned out each attempt did actually make it through.

    Sorry for spamming the board! Hopefully one of the mods reads this and tidies it up by deleting any of my posts without reply comments.

    • What a patronising load of drivel.
      So Tongans are not grown up enough to make their own financial decisions?
      Or do they need westerners to tell them what to do?
      Any evidence that China forced those loans at gunpoint?

      Afterall the rest simply goes and bombs the shit out of countries they don’t do as they arr told

      • Mark = astroturfer

        You don’t care about ordinary Tongans do you Mark. Sold out by their own government, the same is gonna happen to us. Piece by piece.

  21. “this top-down demographic revolution was never sanctioned democratically. No politician or party ever asked the New Zealand electorate whether it was happy to see the size of its ethnic communities swell by a factor of 4. “
    Exactly right. The immigration situation that cunningly evolved over the last 30 years was a deliberate authoritarian / dictatorial move by politicians ably supported by the Rotarian Business Roundtable. It would never would have been supported by the public of NZ, and it is still not supported by the majority of New Zealanders – the New Zealanders that have a legacy in this country. That is why I see the Christchurch massacre as an event that was like “an accident waiting to happen” – inevitable. That it involved Muslims and not some other racial or religious group was just random.
    The last 3 decades of governments in New Zealand are responsible for the horrible mess they have deliberately caused to happen to our country. I cannot forgive them for what they have perpetrated, and I am losing faith in the present government to put their money where their mouth was on the immigration situation too.

  22. I remember mostly Bolger’s chief henchman Bill — thankfully I can’t remember his last name, a snuffler mole-type — in the top-down decision to allow Asians in. Solid voters for National’s divide and rule for the rich. First reports from my aunt, 50 years in Pakuranga, of their immigration. Not delivered enlightenedly.

    No worries about different ethnicities but against top-down and am for our best ideals. Don’t worry about providing unnecessary causes for right-wingers. Driven snow … wouldn’t satisfy ‘m.

    • Sumsuch: “….Bolger’s chief henchman Bill — thankfully I can’t remember his last name, a snuffler mole-type….”

      Birch. I’d just as soon not know this; but I do….

  23. It’s a curious trope, that resistance to mass immigration is so often characterized in terms of race, when its economic effects are quite sufficient reason to oppose it.

    Why do we have a housing crisis?

    Why has there been little or no real wage growth for decades?

    Why have employment conditions been eroded to the point of farce?

    The short answer is mass immigration. And, as AGW begins to bite, immigration will become even more pernicious. We have become used, as a country, to arrogant motherfuckers who blithely overule the democratic mandate at every opportunity. But on the immigration issue they show their true colours – acting against the public interest.

    • Where’s your evidence this is all caused by ‘mass immigration’

      And I find it hilarious when white people whinge about so called mass or uncontrolled immigraiton…..there are 500 million white people living outside of Europe.

      The flooding of the Americas and Australasia with Europeans ….that was real mass and ‘uncontrolled’ immigration.

      The ethnic group with the highest percentage of people living outside of their original homelands must surely be the Anglo Saxons?

      Now.Are there 500 million non-whites living in Europe, yet?

      No. So taking a big picture view, it appears immigration and invasion has been a one way street eh?

      • There is plenty of evidence that mass immigration is a tool of the capital class used to suppress wages and boost housing costs / rents. google is your friend.

      • You can find our net migration rates with a lazy Google Mark. They are, on a per capita basis, four times that of the UK or the US – i.e. extremely high.

        “I find it hilarious when white people whinge…”
        Racist much?

        Migration to NZ is not a right. The duty of our state is governance of the country in the public interest, which is the interests of existing citizens. We do not benefit from mass immigration, and thus governments who practice it get a “please explain”.

        Race has nothing to do with it – the ubiquitous property speculators and workers exploited by wage thieves do not benefit our commonwealth at all – they are manifestly a policy error.

        • +1 Stuart Munroe

          “Migration to NZ is not a right. The duty of our state is governance of the country in the public interest, which is the interests of existing citizens. We do not benefit from mass immigration, and thus governments who practice it get a “please explain”.”

  24. Despite Bill Birch’s top-down immigration policy I’m pretty happy with immigration overall. Yep, the principle is to be able to absorb without being swamped. Why Auckland might feel different. America chose the swamping to keep wage rates down for the rich but such abundant rewards for the USA despite.

    By absorb I mean our ideals.

    Right about NZ First, but, as you point out, rather have him addling brains — of the old removed from reality by retirement.

    Wedge politics — silly rich fucks for one should have styled that name. ‘Divide and rule’ by which rich fucks rule comes instantly to mind. Our main prob since ’35 is the lack of a ‘movement’ behind ‘Labour’. We were content with a little bit more. And despite the punishment for that lack of force we’re pretty alright compared to the other Anglo countries. Most of our suffering was concentrated in the poorest and weakest, where our soul lies. With the severe accommodation stresses adding to their desperation they also have power, by being able to jump like Yertle.

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