Ummmm.
This doesn’t look good does it?
…a Labour Party MP attacking media just before the Government look to clamp down on free speech?
That’s a tad chilling. Despite all the underhand abuses to free speech Key embarked upon, I don’t remember National attacking media organisations in the open like this.
No attempt to engage with Quin’s argument, no attempt to counter his argument, no attempt to debate other than to damn the media for printing it and insinuating that this is in of itself hate speech.
Which should make everyone feel terribly frightened about what exactly the Labour Government with their Green allies intend to actually do with the hate speech laws because if criticising Golriz is a short skip and a jump to being defined as hate speech, we are opening the gates of hell here.
Criticising Golriz isn’t a hate crime. That I even need to state that is concerning but in the current debate where free speech is being defined by the woke as white male privilege and the politicisation of the Christchurch atrocity has given momentum to that definition, watching Labour Party MPs attack the media for publishing critical opinion pieces of the Government while they formulate how to curtail free speech should be denounced before it’s considered a crime in of itself.
They dragged Julian Assange out of an embassy for telling the truth, the time to remain silent is over.
They can take this blog out of my cold dead hands.
Yes Martyn as to Golriz, she has no environmental credibility at all.
So when did she complain about the excessive over use of trucks and underuse of rail”
She is dumb on the ruining of our planet by the massive emissions of tyre dust and diesel exhaust from all those 34 tyres on every truck in the fleet of 35 000 trucks emissions from each truck isn’t she just.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1904/S00106/greenhouse-gas-inventory-shows-need-for-action.htm
+100….increasingly I am thinking the Green Party brand has been taken over by sense of entitlement group of international youth with other agendas eg open borders globalism, anti NZ Pakeha male racism , ageism, anti freedom of speech
…some of the most vocal in their attacks on New Zealanders as being Pakeha white male racists ( after the attack on the mosque by an outside Australian) were not born or brought up in New Zealand…and one has a very dubious background as regards human rights and freedom of speech( defending a genocidal killer…but of course he was black, so that must be ok)
… they have more in common with the Nactional Party…to which they gave their voting rights
…rather than the traditional NZ environmental, anti corporate capitalism Green Party agendas
…nor do many have any humble New Zealander experience with the New Zealand back country
…nor were many ( were any?) on the anti Springbok Tour demonstrations led by Pakeha NZ males
…if you are a real humble New Zealander lover of the environment with a great love of and experience in the back country you should vote NZF, which is supported by ‘Fish and Game’
( at least NZF and ‘Fish and Game’ are humble Maori and Pakeha New Zealanders of all ages and genders who know their environment and want a national referendum on 1080…which is killing our birdlife and kea)
The present Greens have failed us on many issues , including water for sale to the Chinese, voting rights given to National Party, continuing to support 1080….and most recently supporting the botched NZ Census…now they want to silence the New Zealanders’ rights to freedom of speech and critical thinking
and us mate , 1080 is in the water table why you think we got the highest cancer rates in the world
1080 in the water table? Can you provide evidence of that, Rickosay? Science says otherwise:
http://www.1080facts.co.nz/1080-and-water.html
As for having “the highest cancer rates in the world”, that’s incorrect. According to the International Association of Cancer Registries, we’re in 13th place – behind 12 countries that use either less 1080 than us, or no 1080 at all.
So what’s your case against 1080 actually based on?
You Got it 100% Red buzzard.
Green Party was hijacked by the elite spoilt brats no doubt.
So these woke guys and girls are mostly from New Zealand and most of them don’t won’t certain words said in there public space which is immoral, fine, no problem with that. How is that even criminal? It isn’t. My premiss is that hate speech isn’t racism, my premiss is that you can’t say certain words because society as a whole should object to it. Hate-speech has nothing to do with racism, speech laws is that you just can’t say certain words. So effectively those who want to strengthen speech laws don’t want people to talk in public spaces because when you say certain words like nigga then you create certain divides with in society. The more nonchalant that words are said with out public debate the greater the divides there are with in society.
But more than that free speech will be controlled by private capital because the public will be giving up there public spaces and free speech, so only in private venues will allow free speech controlled by the landlords and if you want to criticize your employer then you’ll face harsher disciplinary action which is bad for unions because the government can not enforce morality until it is established to everyone that it is ok, the coast is clear and no one is going to get lone-wolfed which no one is going to do and again we will be giving up the public sphere to private capital.
Isn’t this written by the same person as yesterday’s, ‘I hope I never piss Phil Quin off”? Yes – there is reason to be concerned about where the lines might lie with regard to legislation and ‘hate speech’ but it also seems there is some consistency between Bradbury and Webb with regard to Quin’s personal attack on Golriz.
Would you rather there was no debate , and that everyone just passively accepted what a govt does without any input, then…?
Do you enjoy the privilege of the Democracy you live in?
Or did you somehow manage to sneak your post past the firewalls of a totalitarian states security systems in a foreign nation?
Get an effing grip WK! The issue raised was the apparent congruency between Bradbury and Webb with regard to Quin’s personal attack on Golriz Ghahraman. Further to your comment, it would be nice to live in a democracy where people showed respect! As for hate speech – that is a matter for debate. Clearly you have your own views but spend your efforts in assuming what others may think then spraying vitriol. Just for the record, some are waiting for informed debate as to whether legislation is needed. Sadly, you are not providing it.
No you get a grip mate, – the issues raised is ” what exactly the Labour Government with their Green allies intend to actually do with the hate speech laws because if criticising Golriz is a short skip and a jump to being defined as hate speech, we are opening the gates of hell here”….
Not about your singular post or opinion.
… ‘ As for hate speech – that is a matter for debate ‘…
Exactly , but as you say, – each of us have a subjective opinion on what is and isn’t hate speech and freedom of speech.
That, – and the incongruity of Gharaman using ‘freedom of speech’ to defend a guy charged with inciting to genocide ,- using his music recordings, through a radio station and finally travelling round his country on the govt’s behest on the back of a ute with a P.A system encouraging Hutu’s to kill more Tutsi’s – and as Phil Quin stated:
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…’ It is an irony of some magnitude that the leading proponent of new hate speech laws in the New Zealand Parliament, Golriz Ghahraman, worked as an intern at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR), defending Simon Bikindi who was convicted for inciting genocide’…
… ‘ It is doubly so when you take into account that the defence arguments almost entirely rested on his right to freedom of speech’…
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As I’ve said before, – she was not COMPELLED to defend Bakindi – esp on such an ironic defense , and now shes being cast as the go to proponent for NZ ‘s new hate speech laws???
And you cant see that ?
WOW !!!
… ‘ Spraying vitriol’ ?
Have you taken notice of all the screaming B.S vitriolic Indentity politics and constant references from obv Green Woke Left types who’ve come here and tried to say such things as:
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I’m not liking the pile-on I’m seeing on Gharahman. It seems to be coming from both left and right and isnt directed at anyone else. Heaven firbid its because she is
A. Brown
B. Female
C. An immigrant
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A. Brown
B. Female
C. An immigrant
Straight out of the Woke Lefts Dictionary for the Politically Correct. Talk about inverted racism , – talk about trying to put the guilt’s on everyone who is not brown , female or an immigrant.
Talk about straight out bloody arrogance!!!
Don’t you think you’ve actually come to the end of a long era where people have just had enough and had it up to the back teeth with all these condescending arrogant labels , slogans and generalizations designed purely to close others down , make them feel THEY ARE inferior, defective, second rate , that their opinions don’t count, and deliberately make them feel they are not free to express what they really think , – and if they do , – to be shouted down by a pack of belligerent , dictatorial , self righteous , jumped up know it all’s who continue to ramp up their fictitious and unjustified guilt concoctions on anyone who doesn’t agree with them ???
And you talk about VITRIOLIC ???
RESPECT???
Well I tell you what mate – respect is earned. I don’t give a rats butt what you think of me but if your going to hold the cap out asking for respect for you and all the rest of your politically correct Fake Left mob then you better start reassessing the methods you use to try and get your message across.
And as for … ‘just for the record some are waiting for informed debate as to whether legislation is needed. Sadly, you are not providing it’…
So are the rest of us ‘waiting for informed debate ‘but damned if we are going to just sit around and let the Woke Fake Left get in and dictate to everyone with their warped judgmental sloganeering identity politics and start stripping away freedom of speech and civil liberty’s under some one sided nonsensical hate speech laws either.
Isn’t this written by the same person as yesterday’s, ‘I hope I never piss Phil Quin off”? Yes – there is reason to be concerned about where the lines might lie with regard to legislation and ‘hate speech’ but it also seems there is some consistency between Bradbury and Webb with regard to Quin’s personal attack on Golriz.
I think it comes down basically to incitement.
Incitement – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement
Which ironically , comes down to what the MP in question was involved with in using the defense of ‘ free speech’ for their defendant , – who ironically , – was charged with incitement to genocide.
We will have to wait and see , however. I for one, will not be voting for the Greens next election. Just one too many ridiculous episodes from them.
I did not vote for them last election just to go from the John Key corrupt govt to a new dictatorial one.
Good tweet by Duncan Webb. It’s good to see someone, especially in another political party, standing up for GG. The fact is that GG is only one member of parliament but gets attacked daily from all quarters, more than nearly any other MP in Parliament, especially, any that doesn’t hold a government portfolio. Why is that, one might ask, given that there are so many other list MPs in National, Labour and NZ First who have almost no profile whatsoever. I’m sure they have opinions to, but it seems to be only GG’s opinions – which she is entitled to, and brave enough to express in public so the voting public knows where she stands – that are constantly attacked. It seems that anyone with even a mildly radical point of view has no place in Parliament, which is exactly what has been happening to Ilhan Omar in the US congress, and how Metiria Turei was forced to quit parliament.
…’ it seems to be only GG’s opinions – which she is entitled to, and brave enough to express in public so the voting public knows where she stands – that are constantly attacked’…
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1/ Because she has gone in to bat to be a leading proponent of Hate law , which , many others have opinions on too. And that puts her , or anybody else , – in a high profile and a potentially catastrophic position of implementing laws that are unworkable, oppressive and dictatorial , and that threatens free speech.
And a chilling effect on any future journalistic criticisms of a govt or that of a political nature and the closing down of vital debate which is a hallmark of a democracy as opposed to a dictatorship.
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… ‘ It seems that anyone with even a mildly radical point of view has no place in Parliament’…
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2/ There is a world of difference between radical moves to oust entrenched neo liberalism than influence radical moves to curtail freedom of speech. And rest assured, when you start playing around with freedom of speech you are opening a Pandora’s box.
Why has this individual and her colleagues not united themselves instead as political activists to dismantle the neo liberal edifice in this country ? That at least is supposedly , …in line with their social policy’s.
The answer seems to be that it is not and never has been their serious intent. Ether that or it was all just a load of hot air designed to get elected , – all the while knowing it was in the too hard basket.
+100 WILD KATIPO….well said
This site is weaponized mental illness. It’s like the Joker and the Riddler have a blog. Daily Deranged Contagions.
Arkham Asylum.
Y’know the joker wasn’t crazy, if you’d read the comics before commenting perhaps you’d be more credible. Besides, at least you won’t catch a stroke from here.
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