Nothing sums up the desperation of the right better than this tweet by poor old Matthew Hooton…
…Hoots is getting so hysterical I feel that we may need to lead an intervention soon.
The Right are echoing this call for Greens to join National, they’ve even leaked to the rumour mill that Greens and National would occasionally meet to discuss possible moves on environmental policy. My understanding is those meetings were purely courtesy on behalf of the Greens and were in no way shape or form a serious negotiation platform.
Holding those informal meetings up as proof positive that some type of political Frankenstein can be brought to life from the grave highlights how desperate the Right have become in trying to form a government.
Let’s just for a moment pause and pretend that the Greens could somehow strip away their social concerns from their environmental ones and form a Government with National, how long would that Government last before the Greens walked away?
About 30 seconds.
National have built their false economic growth model on selling as much milk powder to their business partners in China as they can. This has led to water being stolen, water polluted and the selling off of 49% of our energy assets so National could create a $400million irrigation slush fund for their corporate farmer mates.
You honestly fucking think the Greens are going to go along with any of that?
What planet are you living on if you think the Greens would not only sacrifice their social conscience but also their environmental conscience as well?
There is more chance of me becoming the next leader of the ACT Party than the Greens going with fucking National.
This is just more desperate right wing propaganda from pundits who are watching their fourth term slipping away from their grasp.
Somewhere in a dark room, Matthew Hooton, Michelle Boag, Jordan Williams, David Farrar, Ben Thomas, Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk are all silently sobbing in a group hug.
Absolutely! Too many of the Greens would walk including me. We have more princiipals than has been suggested by the right wing commentators. We are a left wing party, we want major changes in the key areas arund environmental issues, dairy farming, filthy rivers etc. We want serious changes between the haves and the have nots. We do not believe it is in anyones best interests for the enormous inequality gap. Living in cars in a land of plenty, going without lunch in a land of plenty. All part of the neo-lib agenda. This must be done away with.
I gave two ticks to Green again and if they went with National I would never vote Green again (and I expect because of this reaction from many Green voters this surely can’t be a serious consideration).
Yes agree 100% Martyn hoot-on wants the Greens gone and all of the above right wingers you mentioned know it ain’t going to be easy with Winny. So they are very busy stirring up and dividing the NZ public as they did during the election. The 5 thousand people who signed a petition for the Greens to go with the gnats how many of these people are actually Greens voters. I believe probably very little. The right don’t give a toss about the Greens and what they stand for they see them as being flakey and lacking in economic policy. They just want to use them because they are so hungry for more power they are thinking short term just like their political masters. How does the saying go desperate people do desperate things. Lastly Germany said they wont know the make up of who rules their country until Christmas time. We need to show some respect to our special voters whose votes haven’t been counted yet this is true democracy when we adhere to the proper and fair process not the current witch hunting going on at the moment at the behest of our right wing bias media.
Good gracious we now have a petition for the Greens to join National. Desperation much!
+100…desperation alright…but Hooton has always wanted to bag the Greens
Pffft! No way would the Greens survive as a party if they went anywhere near the Nats. Just witness what happened to the Maori Party.
But maybe that’s the whole point of the exercise? To destroy the Green Party as the Nats successfully did with the Maori Party!
A National-Greens coalition!
A new level of self-delusion by the political right.
The fact that they are publicly talking about this betrays their own lack of confidence that Winston will go with National.
The Greens may well, out of courtesy, conduct some forms of talks with National, but as some better informed commentators have said, it would tear the Greens apart, and destroy the party, should they go into any form of support arrangement to keep Bill English and National in government.
We should not be surprised though, as Mr Hooton and others will follow their smart agendas, trying to split the opposition and to ultimately destroy the Greens also. This happens now, as the National Party leaders and members are very scared and worried. If their party goes into a support agreement of any kind with NZ First, they will face massive issues ahead of them.
Winston will make demands that will compromise National and its policies to a degree, so as to become unpalatable for many existing National voters. Both NZ First and National would be likely to lose support, and National know this.
So it would be easier to entice the weakened and desperate Greens to come and support them, a few bits of ‘green gestures’ would suffice, e.g. things that Nick Smith may offer anyway.
I would not read much into this, James Shaw and others may at times look a bit gullible, they surely will not be that stupid to support the Nats.
Yes that suggestion is so silly Martyn,
My take is that Joyce is using the blue media trying to muddy the possibility that a Lab/Green/NZF block can be made.
If there is any suspicion among this block of oppostion parties that one will break the possibility of a “coalition of the willing of a National downfall” then National will sail through the middle and continue their reign of terror for 3 or even six more years.
National are shit scared that the greens and NZF will finally bury their bad memories and combine to bag national now.
So this is their plan by sending out the possiblity that the Greens will go with National rather than bagging the dying National Party.
That plan will not work Mr Joyce, so what’s your next hairbrained scheme???
Oh man, I’d love it if you became leader of ACT! I’d even vote for them, just to annoy Seymour!
Did you know that Bomber has recently been seen in a Newmarket cafe having a macchiato with Whyte, Douglas, Brash and Hide?
The Greens hooking up with National is still a dumb idea.
E-clectic – did ‘Bomber’ keep an eye on his coffee, to make sure it wasn’t spiked with mind-altering neo-liberal drugs?
He seems to have gone soft on James Shaw. Is that the first sign?
At 62% voter participation it’s not entirely nessecary to get gains being at the table any more. So I suspect moving forward we’ll see a lot more cross party consensus groups.
With the resignations of Andrew and Metiria, James was given the best opportunity a Greens leader could ever have to tear up the MoA with Labour, and drag the party to the right. He did nothing of the sort. He has kept faith with the spirit of the MoU, and continued to point out the many environmental *and* social failures of the NatACT government. So clearly it’s possible to have a business background (James used to work for PriceWaterhouseCoopers), and still not support corporatism. In fact I know a lot of small businesspeople who have done badly under National, and want to see those at the bottom of the heap being supported better by the social safety net.
Opening gambit:
“Look we’re not really interested in the deputy PM position and we think Paula’s doing a great job.
Here’s how we see the cabinet positions we’re after.
Finance – Shaw
Climate Change – Hughes
Transport – Genter
Social Development – Davidson
We think Nick’s doing a great job with waterways, Nathan is all over agriculture, the arts are safe with Maggie, Judith is firm but fair and you Bill as leader are the epitome of integrity, of course we trust you.”
Blue and green = poo brown
…and under the Nacts there has been a lot of poos around
‘Milford Track ‘disgusting’ with human waste – DoC contractor’
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201860237/milford-track-disgusting-with-human-waste-doc-contractor
“Human waste and toilet paper is littering the Milford Track, as another busy summer tourist season approaches, says a Department of Conservation contractor. About 14,000 people hike the South Island track every year, known around the world for its scenic vistas and landscapes, but locals say poor management is ruining the experience. DoC is not denying there is a problem, but says it’s not widespread, and the department is working hard to educate tourists about the rules.”
Here is a video of the Ukrainian Parliament in action which would probably be similar to a Greens National coalition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=44&v=Q-Ysf2Ph3m8
Robust debate.
Or this one: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2017/sep/27/ugandan-mps-fight-in-parliament-video
Game of De-Throne, perhaps?
National supporters simply can not understand what social ethics are.The Greens being National’s Jimmy cricket is laughable.
National is toxic to all minor parties who naively joined National in coalition , to National the minor parties are just tools to be used and then discarded.
It’s obvious nonsense. Factually, there is FAR more overlap with LABOUR and National than Greens and National. Indeed, if Jacinda and English want to give the big middle finger to the minor parties, they could just form a “purple coalition”. The super majority this creates can ram through just about any policy too. Has happened in The Netherlands and gave a very long and stable government (1994-2002).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_(government)
One thing will not change, for sure, the Five Eyes agreement will survive, and whether Jacinda or Bill lead the nation, the same surveillance will continue, thank you.
I think Hooton’s been hitting the bottle along pretty hard of late …not only his eyes from crying , but his face has been brick red as well….blood pressure through the roof is my diagnosis…. he might end up losing all his little ‘nice to have’ ‘ticket clipping’ cushy numbers…oh dear! …how sad..
He tried to say on Radio N.Z the other day that some ‘survey’ showed that most people are happy with National’s Policies, (apart from boot camps I can’t think of a single policy),…it just that the implementation of them has been a little bit slow …so all’s well really , nothing to see here …move along….and that’s why the electorate want them back in power…hmmm
Last time I looked 54% of people did not want a bar of them …
Mathews maths is clearly not one of his strong points ….he is very good at delusional thinking, group think, catastrophic thinking and no thinking at all, though….
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/24/chile-student-leader-camila-vallejo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBapx7P5NNQ
You can see they are all picking up on the theme and trying to push this ‘Greens going with National ‘crap.
People voted for a CHANGE , – not a repeat of the same scumbags in power we’ve had for 9 years !!!
What does it take for these sycophantic media talking head tryhard’s to give over and stop trying to flog a dead horse? , – nobody but NOBODY is convinced , – or interested !!!
Take a hike National.
As others have pointed out, did Hooton, Bolger, Peter Dunne, Tracy Watkins, Gareth Morgan, Oliver Hartwich, et al actually vote for the Greens?
No?
In which case they haven’t got much stake in the future of the Green movement.
This is mischief-making to play the Greens off against NZ First. And pretty damn clumsy at that.
Paula Bennett’s saying they’d to talk with the Greens – Run James, as fast as you can – leave Paula to moon over English’s supposed intellect (ha ha)
– and to do a bit of her shopping.
Paula may need to bedfellow Winston. Oh the throwback days to her seventies.
I don’t get it. Even if the Green’s environmental policies are diametrically opposed to National’s why wouldn’t Shaw take the opportunity to be the government’s Minister for the Environment which would allow him to implement the Green Party’s enviromental policies?
The Greens would need a de-contaminating hazmat suit on before they sat down with the Government. As for Paula the bogan being the environment minister, well that’s a bloody joke, she is as useless as teats on a boar hog. Folks on this site are correct, Greenies who voted them in would walk away from them forever and that includes me. National are in a blind panic – isn’t it a lovely sight to behold.
Well if Churchill could get in bed with Stalin I think the Greens can get in bed with National even if the Greens can’t stand the Nats. There’s no reason why the Green Pary can’t form a coalition with National to get their (Greens) policies implemented and still keep their principles.
Kevin you are desperate as is National – whatever the outcome is of these talks – right now I can smell the sweat of fear on National cabinet ministers. They are a dispicable mob and showing it.
Because the Nats wouldn’t allow it and would slash Vote Envirinment/Conservation at the first budget. It wouldn’t take long for Joyce to undermine the Greens at every opportunity.
surely you cant be that silly…how will the Greens implement environmental policy when it is in direct conflict with Nationals economic policy…oh and national hold the purse strings and have a cabinet in the bag…..nothing more than a few crumbs will be paid for the Greens soul….this kite flying is designed to create a split in the Greens, nothing else…it is not intended as a serious proposal
@ Kevin … I doubt Natz would give Green MPs any senior portfolios. The Greens won’t be able to implement anything, because what Natz promises and what Natz delivers are two different things. They are lying deceitful toads, con artists in the extreme!
English, Joyce, Bennett et al are just after the numbers to prop the present caretaker government up, nothing else.
Great to see Natz squirming now 🙂
If it was pure politics, then possibly. But if you have seen how National ministers have demonized, spewed vile and degraded the Greens over the last 9 years, then your living on planet cuckoo(Key)Would you sell your soul just to give away everything you’ve ever stood for to the devil himself?
Shaw is too intelligent for that and unlike several National ministers, has morals.
Rootin’ tootin’ Hootin’ going ga ga over the Greens now … ha ha ha ha!!!!
And now the Bennett woman wants to talk to the Greens. According to her a coalition between Greens and Natz could be possible, because she knows they respect her work on climate change and the environment … another WTF moment! Another joke … ha ha ha ha!!!! The funnies are rolling out thick and fast today from Natz. Oh dear, oh deary me.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/97370870/national-wants-conversation-with-greens-official-talks-yet-to-begin
Desperation does make people do strange things. I think we should prepare ourselves for many more WTF moments to come from desperate Natz between now and the time Winston makes up his mind.
It’s not just a question of perhaps having diametrically opposed policies; the current govt is too systemically and deeply flawed, as well as shockingly socially and environmentally damaging.
To expect James Shaw and Green politicians to go in and clean up the National Party is unrealistic, The Nats aren’t a river, unfortunately, and they are such systemic liars that attempting constructive dialogue is hugely challenging – one never really knows where one is with liars – Shaw is a politician, not a human sacrifice.
Ha ! I love you @ Martyn Bradbury. If we ever meet? Prepare for a man-hug.
When you put the word ‘ corporate’ in front of the word ‘farmer’? Makes my day. I prefer ‘Corporate Cowsploiter’ myself mind.
It means you’re inching ever closer to the terrible and uncomfortable truth IMO.
The Greens might just be able to fuck nat’ up if they cuddled the shit stack of greedy scum close enough. Like a sequential poison. A good parasite. Get in deep then kill them off.
Imagine then, if Metiria hadn’t been deserted? No one in Green or Labour were prepared to compromise their $-six figures plus entitlements to watch her back speaks volumes for the weak and pathetic labour-ites or the now bilious greenies. Would she have gathered about her the million or so disenfranchised to smite the Nat-Zo Narcissists with her righteous truths ?
We’ll never know now of course. I think Metiria was promising to be one of the greatest politicians NZ’s ever seen since Norman Kirk and we watched on with barely an angry mumble as she was set adrift.
What happens next ?
What ever horror the spiteful Nat-Zo’s have in store for us will serve us right.
Before you click into this story you see two words “Matthew Hooton” followed immediately by two more, “desperate joke.”
Marama Davidson was quizzed about a possible coalition with National on election night. She emphasized repeatedly that Green party members had strong ideological differences to National, that there was such a large ideological rift that her feeling was that it would be too much of a stretch for Green party members.
Greens know that it would be self-destruction. National is clearly sweating. They’re trying to destabilize the public’s political compass and taint the Greens by association. Desperate is right.
Except they won’t be sobbing, will they? That group of unstable psychological militia will be in that bunker planning some sort of nasty attack, dreaming up some bullshit strategy to cover in filth anyone who doesn’t let them win. We all know how that ends…
The Scorpion and the Frog.
If going into coalition with National destroyed the Maori Party, what do you think it will do to the Greens???
The Greens may not be the sharpest pencils in the pack, but they’re not that stupid.
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