Lot’s of noise about fake news at the moment.
Sure there were right wing operatives within the Alt-Right who were spreading falsehoods, and yes Social Media was the platform upon which those falsehoods were spread, but that was a tiny percentage of total news online in social media circles.
To try and claim ‘fake news’ was the deciding factor in the US election is so desperate to ignore the reality it’s almost embarrassing.
People who are economically hurting and feeling excluded didn’t care about the facts and the legitimate news sources, they were overloaded on information and selected the candidate who didn’t make them feel belittled.
And what exactly should be called ‘fake news’? CNNs coverage of the election? Their ridiculous pro-Clinton narrative and their utter wrongness? Is that fake news? What about closer to home. The $100 000 bottle of wine that was supposedly bought at a Labour Party fundraiser that never existed but which was heavily reported in the NZ Herald, was that fake news? What about when Rachel Glucina pretended to be a PR person to out the waitress who complained about the Prime Minister touching her? Was that fake news?
To try and blame fake news as defined by a mainstream media who lost our trust a long time ago, on the current level of political debate is intellectually shallow. It’s the sounds of gatekeepers who are complaining about their irrelevance.
If the mainstream media guardians who have helped set the conditions they now complain about want to be relevant again they need to actually acknowledge class, cultural elitism and how neoliberalism has warped politics.
On better news, many newspapers of good standing have been flooded with new subscribers as people accept that engagement with well resourced news media is our best way forward.
+100..Great Post!…”And what exactly should be called ‘fake news’?”…well said !
Yes Martyn you have zeroed in on who the probable “gatekeepers” are by your inferences to who is hurting the most here.
Of course that will be who lost when the TPPA was killed Mr Sanders & Mr Trump right.
It was the Corporate elite who own the media and who will loose the wielding of the power they thought they had as TPPA seemed a certain before that fateful day when Clinton got booted out of the political world along with Obama all who were the leaders of TPPA along with their junior NZ partner in crime John Key no less.
We now will have the opportunity to boot Criminal proponent of TPPA the key dynasty out next year also to complete the cleaning out of this evil empire.
It’s still just amazing to think how different things could have been if the DNC had been impartial in the primary and well paid lobbyists hadn’t been dispatched to whip superdelegates into line for Clinton.
Totally agree. MSM set the rules of fake news and they should go down in flames with the new players of fake news.
But I think nearly as bad as fake news is rise of sponsored content – especially as it has undue influence of the type of articles being run as well (or more importantly not run) as many people (and the arguably the most vulnerable) can’t distinguish between an ad labeled “sponsored content” and a real news story on a website, according to a Stanford University study of 7,804 students from middle school through college.
Even worse is the rise of the media to use fake news, sponsored content and selective editing for political or financial purposes such as Spinoff lists advising people to vote Ralston in the election instead of Lee to help their developer mates cheerleading for the unitary plan.
Personally could not care if the founders just want to make a buck and feel fulfilled writing articles about Shortland Street Power Rankings: The best Chris Warner week since 1992 or new Metallica album covers, instead of what used to be considered news, but I do mind when they then start influencing local elections, local planning rules and obviously with the amount of political attacks against the opposition, subtly gearing up as a less mainstream avenue for their advertisers in the general election.
Save NZ,
Bang on! Nailed it! Well written!
A must read.
http://www.infowars.com/how-trump-destroyed-mainstream-media-forever/
Pieczenik quote: “Ignorant,Delusional,Arrogant traits when found together, always destroys itself.”
Alt-media might become mainstream faster than we all think.
Cheers.
Fuck infowars, Save NZ was right with sponsored content though, it is becoming the norm, prostitution of values and the truth by the MSM.
You are just an alt right ideologue, I fear.
+100 IAIN MCLEAN
this interview with Pieczenik is very good too ,on the internet alternative media revolution ( in the last third of the interview)
http://stevepieczenik.com/truthers-have-won-live-w-alex-jones-11-18-16/
“The “Truthers” and “Conspiracy Theorists” have won! We have been vindicated and can now be proud to be “Truthers.” ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik
If you’re going to rely on a far-right hate-blog such as “Infowars”, Iain, you might as well use Whaleoil instead. It’s closer to home.
nonsense…it is absolutely nothing like whaleoil
Frank;
Whilst I admit that Jones and Watson can get a bit emotional at
times…”a far-right hate-blog such as “Infowars”… it is not.
Rather it shows a visceral commitment to the abhorrent direction
Globalism is taking us all.
Infowars is fighting Globalism and exposing deception whereas
Whaleoil uses deception and is a Globalist’s Tool.
Infowars is ‘virtually mainstream’ now.
By that I mean the number of issues raised that are picked up or
forced into the MSM (whether picked up by Drudge,Beitbart,others
or not) is truly impressive.
Collection of citizens data, Open Boarders, Hillary’s health are a
few examples.
Perhaps these are more to your liking from well respected authors.
“Can Trump succeed?” by Thierry Meyssan. Watch video.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article194055.html
“Trump the Great” — Paul Craig Roberts.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/25/trump-the-great-paul-craig-roberts/
“Who is Behind “Fake News”? – by Prof Michel Chossudovsky,
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-behind-fake-news-mainstream-media-use-fake-videos-and-images/5557580
99.9% of Alex Jones’ historical fact is true. He is well read from a
very young age with the guidance of his father and extended family.
To quote Martyn above;
“It’s the sounds of gatekeepers who are complaining about their irrelevance.”
Cheers.
It is actually an attempt by the corporate elite who own the mainstream media to go for totalitarianism …and the EU is calling for censorship of alternative media because the neolibs in control of the EU don’t like open and free debate and a free press….these are ominous signs of incipient fascism…and a very unstable EU oligarchy
‘ ‘Delusional call for war’: MEPs denounce anti-Russian ‘propaganda’ resolution’
Published time: 24 Nov, 2016 00:50
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/367992-eu-delusional-resolution-russian-propaganda/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-23/merkel-declares-war-fake-news-europe-brands-russias-rt-sputnik-dangerous-propaganda
So this is what the EU and Merkel is objecting to in RT?…largely shows by American journalists …and the absolute best at their game…check it out:
https://www.rt.com/shows/
Chooky;
Another three good links.
RT’s Crosstalk,Keiser Report and Sophi&Co are my favourites.
Documentaries; Looove ’em.
Cheers.
yes those are my favourites also
There clearly is fake news, and it abounds in social media, we only need to look at some links that some here do at times present.
But we also know the MSM is mostly privately owned and controlled now, they have their own bias, they are like an old boys and old girls network, we can see it here in NZ Inc, all over the show.
Even on RNZ I notice the absolute determination to not touch any hot potatoes, to be PC to the extreme, to never dare show any slight indication of political leaning, towards one or the other party’s position.
While that may be good in a way, at times it is simply bizarre, as they rather deny the facts, just to appear “neutral”.
So it goes even worse when it comes to the ratings addicted private operators, who do all to get attention, hence we have spy news about the All Blacks being bugged in a hotel in Sydney, we get a top story on an old fashioned, somewhat bizarre Muslim preacher in South Auckland, who basically only quotes their scriptures, which sadly some followers take literally.
We get headline news when Mr Parker is going to box, and as that may mean big money for big business, that is “news” for all, presented as important.
We have other “news” that are not informing us, that are either biased or wrong, but as they hit the ratings, they still present them, whether true or relevant or not.
Lifestyle is a great topic, one day fat makes you slim, the other day it makes you fat, according to contradicting, hardly reliable “science”, we get news about cancer being beaten, but only rich can afford medicine costing hundreds of thousands a year.
We get misinformation and lies, that is 24/7 on MSM, so yes, that is why “social media” took off, but there is actually a danger, of more misinformation, by MSM and SM as well, and that is where we are headed.
No wonder more people switch off, do not care anymore, and do not even heed the warnings re climate change, they carry on as usual, and pollute and kill the planet, and the abyss is nearing.
Maybe the old days of codes and conduct, of regulations and standards, where you reported with facts and balance, need to be revisited, or we may as well believe whatever makes us feel good, and say fuck you to the rest?
The rise of fascism has a new tool, it is called SOCIAL MEDIA!
nonsense…you could equally argue the rise of fascism has a new tool in the corporate owned mainstream media…with its indoctrination and propaganda
any properly educated free thinking person can tell the difference between what is fake news and real news but that’s the biggest problem we face and as for people that keep going on about fascism the kkk and Nazis your just giving the small number of idiots involved in those redundant cause’s publicity and spreading fear which leads to over the top reactions to basic problems.
’10 Brilliant Quotes by Noam Chomsky on How Media Really Operates in America’
http://www.alternet.org/media/10-brilliant-quotes-noam-chomsky-how-media-really-operates-america
‘WikiLeaks’ 10 Most Damning Clinton Emails that Prove Mainstream Media is Scripted & Controlled’
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wikileaks-10-most-damning-clinton-emails-media/
A sane discussion on the issue:
‘Fake news’
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/368122-mainstream-media-fake-news/
“It is called fake news and we are told it is dangerous. Maybe we can agree on this. But let there be no mistake – it is governments and mainstream media that have peddled fake news for decades. And this is being challenged.
CrossTalking with Patrick Henningsen, Vladimir Golstein, and Marcus Papadopoulos.”
Chooky;
YES. There is good reason why RT calls Crosstalk their Flag Ship.
Peter Lavelle is truly one of the best.! Excellent episode. Thank you.
Patrick Henningsen is founder of 21st Century Wire and along with
Vanessa Beeley are doing some very good work. Ass.with UK Collumn.
This is where I learned of the true nature of ‘The White Helmets’ and their
ongoing PsyOps.
Also about the the use of Crisis Actors and the whole industry created.
Also used to deceive us all participating in False Flags.
As with the photo heading this article you can get the idea of using virtually
Hollywood studios to actually create false news events as in the beheadings
by terrorists that shocked our nations a while back. ie MSM Fake News.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/24/the-entire-mainstream-warmongering-media-is-fake/
Look for the image on the front page.
http://21stcenturywire.com/
“The purpose of our website is to educate, promote learning on geopolitical and social issues, as well as provide much-needed independent commentary, news reporting, including criticisms and critiques of larger corporate and foundation-funded media outlets and their coverage. We also aim to deliver a consistent stream of independent research on subjects and views that are generally not covered in the corporate-owned and foundation-funded media spheres.”
http://21stcenturywire.com/about/
Now the site has been revamped/upgraded I would recommend adding to my
list/template found at bottom of Franks article “Black Ops…”1st Nov. 2016.
Cheers.
MORE FAKE NEWS:
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/23/white-helmets-the-mannequin-challenge-a-publicity-stunt-that-backfired-vanessa-beeley-talks-to-rt/
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/18/white-helmets-natos-finest-terrorist-linked-first-responders-are-shamelessly-promoted-by-georgetown-university/
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/16/moscow-samples-taken-in-aleppo-prove-us-saudi-backed-moderate-rebels-used-chlorine-munitions/
Cheers.
Fake news from the mainstream media ‘Washington Post’?…’Washington Post’ gets slammed!
‘Journalistic garbage’: Greenwald & others slam WaPo for ‘insane’ Russian propaganda story
https://www.rt.com/usa/368214-greenwald-washington-post-russia/
( cold war propaganda revisited ?)
“It’s the sounds of gatekeepers who are complaining about their irrelevance.”
OH YES!
I have to admit a certain degree of schadenfreude watching these self proclaimed pundits dragged down from their pedestals.
🙂
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