We have money for re-invading Iraq, millionaire yacht races & corrupt SkyCity deals BUT…

1. Decades of NactLite policy.

   Dirty Politics.

   Neoliberalism.

   • LOL….it’s not just the Nats….people are kidding themselves. Labour’s just as bad…..do a quick websearch – its doesn’t take long – Labour has closed just as many schools and hospitals as National has, if not more.

     The two of them have been working on a plan for centralization since the late 80s. Neither party gives a flying fig about the average Kiwi….they don’t care who it affects so long as their financial interests are cared for and their bean-counters are happy and they sure as hell don’t care about hungry kids.

2. Its been an experiment.
   Moving a developed social democratic nation with egalitarian values to hard-core capitalist values.

   Beliefs are what you consider real. (evidence based)
   Values are what you feel is important. (emotional based)

   If you want to change the values of a population, you must work on their beliefs. Beliefs are like your compass, it points you in a particular direction. For example, 30 years ago an at home solo mother with 2 kids was well looked after by the state, our beliefs were that a safe home and enough food, warmth etc are a right. Underpinned by values of fairness and compassion.

   In 2015 this same mother is considered a bludger (belief) who needs to get a job…work testing etc etc. Her kids are possibly hungry. The values underpinning all of this is well cruelty and rightiousness I guess. The masses will go along with it as long as its not them getting screwed over by the system (value = selfish/competitiveness)

   Then you introduce NSA surveillance, XKEYSCORE, cameras, drug testing, militarising the police, complicit media …etc its all about changing beliefs and values and they’ve actually done it. Focus this attention on beneficiaries and dissenters, make an example of them.

   Enter John Key (the smiling assasin of Merryl Lynch), who I suspect is a criminal sociopath (definitely narcissistic personality disorder), and you have the culmination of 25 years of the experiment. We’re off to a another middle east proxy war and about to sign our sovereignty away with TPP.

   Take heart Martin that it is always darkest before the dawn.

   • Bert B: Your commnets are outstanding and real its just a shame too many Kiwis buy into Nationals bull shit and arrogance.

   • Spot on.

     You can see elements of the social experiment in how National have treated Christchurch and Canterbury over the last few years. They would have closed a number of schools for no good reason other than they simply thought they could get away with it, had that public uproar not occurred.

     You can see it their disregard for democratic practice when they completely ignore submissions on policy changes. The fact that there was legislation in 2013 was pushed through Parliament on a weekend when no one was likely to be paying much attention, shows their disregard.

     Whether you agreed with Eleanor Catton or not, the intolerance of criticism as shown by the commentary from the Prime Minister and Sean Plunket, suggests a double standard: criticize when it suits you, woe betide to anyone else who does it.

   • Well put, NZ peoples thinking has been substantially re-engineered and importantly public political participation and organisation (like unions) majorly downgraded. So many are literally as well as figuratively “on their own against the world”.

     Why not go to the Boxing Day sale or anti union Weta Hobbit march is where that leads.

     But as always fightback, educate, organise–regardless is the way to go. There will be a tipping point reached and there are many potential leaders and groups.

   • Bert B – a brilliant summation. I absolutely concur with your sentiments there.

   • So true Bert. Once you break down the belief/value in your example it all becomes so clear what has happened here in NZ. Given me something to think about…

   • Fantastic stuff Martyn,

     “We have money for re-invading Iraq, millionaire yacht races & corrupt SkyCity deals BUT…

     National are now destroying the regional railways for their road transport buddies benefit.

     While we had three separate accidents between trucks and cars last week that saw five people die as a result of our truck gridlocked roads.

     So NZTA price one death to the nation at $3.5million 5X3.5 = $16.5 million cost and they wouldn’t even pay the $3.5 million in rail washout repairs in Gisborne that they caused when they took the rail maintenance funds “elsewhere” prior to the washouts three years ago.

     Now without a rail to Gisborne the 212 km road to Napier is one of the most truck crowded roads that is around and very dangerous.

     They have blood from avoidable road deaths also their hands they are just criminals.

3. There is never any shortage of money for war.
   So much so that it is not even an issue.
   Do we ever even hear the issue of expense and cost when it comes to killing?
   But when it comes to healing, it is all, “The country can’t really afford it.” and “We would like to, but budget constraints prevent us”, or “We have to be fiscally responsible with the public’s money”

   So we won’t be getting any extra needed money for health care, or housing, or food for hungry children in this year’s budget.
   (But the huge amounts for war that won’t even appear in the budget, will all be marked top secret to hide from us how exactly profligate they are in funding war).

   As the saying goes; Come the day that the generals and field marshalls have to run cake stalls and fund raisers and appeals to the public for the money to fight wars, and the teachers and Doctors and healers are fully funded without question the way the military rulers are now.

   Would the general and field marshalls get one red cent?

   Not likely! No matter how much gold braid they wear.

   • New right wing spin:

     “Contrary to popular belief, we take the issue of global warming very seriously. Due to the unsustainable demands of an ever increasing population on a dwindling resource base, we have taken a drastic course of action – We call it “Hyper-Dynamic Population Management.” Now just think about that for a moment – Less unemployment means less poverty. Less demand on finite oil supplies. Less demand for property, thereby solving the housing crisis without a bloody CGT, and let’s face it – Less hippies, less foreigners, less pot smoking nymphos on the DPB, and more people employed as gravediggers and funeral directors. I think that demonstrates the difference between the political left and right – The left protest, and the right seek out solutions. Clear and final solutions.”

   • I love it.

     Cake stall to raise money to go fight in Iraq.

     Please support the raffle for ‘our troops’ so they can get new uniforms.

4. It’s time for some action against this corrupt regime. I’m disgusted that we keep seeing headlines breaking the news of more profligate spending and downright theft of public monies by this regime, under the heading of, Government funding… No,no,no. It is not the government that is doing the funding, it is the taxpayer. The govt is only the one that is stealing our money right in front of our eyes. Pity bloody help us if we can’t get it together to fight back.

5. There are some very well forwarded comments in this discussion, which have shown me another angle of Key and his minions attacking experiment of blatancy, disregard and redirection, designed to suit the Nationals and their financial backers. Again this brings forward the method of Keys distraction from the TPPA being signed, as it’s still being kept underwraps. Key is determined to sign New Zealand over to the highest bidder, which I’m predicting will be between the US and China.

   • You are right about keeping spotlight off TPP, but they don’t play enough golf in China so it is all about ‘the club’.

6. Silly ad hominem deleted. You are a guest here, Dave. Do not outlive your welcome by making snide remarks about those people who pay the bills for this website to exist. – ScarletMod

   • Ummm…I am not sure what happened there but I am sorry if I offended.

7. Here is a good part of the reason the direction of this country is so at odds with the beliefs of the citizens. The Prime Minister’s golf buddy has had a book written about him called:Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion Paperback – May 15, 2012. Can you believe it someone has gone to the trouble of writing a book, available on Amazon, delineating just how hopeless Obama is. John Key is desperate to ingratiate himself and NZ to this guy so what sort of policies do you expect from the Nats.

8. Yes Ike,

   Obama is a disaster and we can imagine Key sticking a knife in his back as soon as he finds another more powerful US friend to rub shoulders with and carry out his evil work for.

   Obama is spent anyway, he had his chance and blew it when he blinked in his first term.

   Remember his first election promise?

   I will go to Washington to change the way it does business?

   Depends on the way you look at it but he meant to get rid of the Corruption but failed miserably there, didn’t he.

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