This kinda went under my radar, didn’t know it was on which isn’t very good when one considers how catastrophic climate change will be within a decade. I think this may have been preaching to the converted when the issue is across the entire society.
Good streaming quality. Bit grim though, like a Christian Youth Chastity Summit. Samantha Hayes didn’t seem to know where to look having to share the stage with John Minto.
Applause loudest for Green Party. Every time Russell looks up he gets cheered. The other participants have been gracious enough to roll up to what is effectively a Green Party candidate evening.
It quickly gets bogged down in jargon. Oh God it’s dull. The plants are falling asleep. When Tim Groser starts sounding entertaining you know you are in a death spiral of boredom.
I believe that the Greens must have the spine alongside Internet MANA within a Labour led Government to force through a serious and radical rebuild of our economy into a sustainable and green version. This jargon fest argument about ETS trading schemes and disproportionate tax burdens doesn’t explain that or do justice to the magnitude of the environmental challenges before us.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Saving the earth can’t be this fucking boring!
The Campbell Live dinner was odd and delightful and it gave real insights. It put to shame the drunk shout fest that the God awful Press put on last night, it reminded us how genuine political discussion with passionate people in a relaxed environment can actually be.
Well done John Campbell for such a unique idea. Interesting points, Jamie Whyte pointed out just how badly National need ACT now. Peter Dunne signalled he could work with Labour. Metiria showed the passion that would make her one of the greatest Cabinet Ministers this country has ever seen. Laila drove home the point that a vote for Winston may be a vote for National and made the argument that the youth vote could be the decider.
I love how the dial plummets when Jamie Whyte or Colin Craig say anything.
Metiria and Laila were the absolute winners. They had creative ideas and passionate answers.
The leaders were sincere, articulate and spoke for their constituents well. It is this kind of politics we deserve in the 21st Century, not the hate politics of WhaleKey’s National Party.
The minor leaders dinner was a clever idea very well done. Some of our finest TV political journalism. John has done more for the credibility of NZ political journalism post Dirty Politics than anyone else with this show.
Great concept by John Campbell, delivered with his great mix of the serious (probing questions), the not-so-serious (getting the camera to show the crew at the end) and the creative and effective (the fortune cookies).
The progressive parties as usual did well overall, Winston as usual was entertaining and Jamie Whyte as usual did his best to hang himself by his own petard. Overall a win.
Only possible comment – Metiria cut over the other speakers a little often. While she was typically sharp and clever, it risked coming across as nasty. Still, she outweighed that with some great answers. Well worth the watch.
i didnt think Metiria cut across others…and agree she was “sharp and clever” …but never nasty ….I thought she was exceptionally good ….as was Winnie and Laila Harre !
( lets hope all three parties can work together in a Labour led coalition…I will be very disappointed if this is sabotaged by any one of these parties!…listen up Winston!)
….I would love to see Winnie in a head to head debate with Key…Key would not get away with much….even with poor moderation Winnie would get in with king hits …but I doubt John Key would ever agree to it ….because he is a coward and knows he would be floored
Colin Craig ( Conservative Party ) and Flavell ( Maori Party ) are really a vote for the status quo and John Key’s Nactional ( heaven forbid this is not a REAL Christian vote or Maori vote option!..no matter what Craig and Flavell say)
I thought Flavell was very well-spoken. I know a lot of people don’t agree with the Maori Party’s “at the table” strategy, but I think it’s not without merit.
Now that Mana and Maori both exist, honestly, it would be a damn shame if the Maori Party disappeared. Having a party that serves left-wing values that improve life for Maori (Mana) and having a party that serves Maori interests no matter what government is in place (Maori) is actually a very good long-term strategy for Maori.
Annette Sykes is a great activist, but I hope Flavell beats her and maybe drags one more person in off the list (or possibly just snatch a win off of one of their other incumbent seats).
Can’t you just help but have faith in this guy? *hope so*
I saw the Campbell Live “dinner” and found it rather good, as they must have discussed some rules of tactfulness before, so there was no nasty attacks and sniping, all just decently stating their views, positions and answers.
Greens and Winston First came out on top for me, forget the rest.
As for Climate Voter, I only saw the last bit of the stream, and I cannot comment, as I have not seen a replay of sorts.
Live streaming is becoming popular and normal now, and we need more of this! What disappointed me though was, that there was not live stream on the TV3 website that I could access, of the second half hour of Campbell’s dinner show. That was supposed to be available, but all I got was an “error” message, saying the item was not available.
The Press is a good read…
@ Janine…Yes The Press can be a good read …many good journalists and good features, some exceptional
….however when it comes to editorial policy it is stodgily and boringly and unquestioningly National…over the Earthquake it has not questioned and exposed John Key’s Nactional big business ( often overseas) direction /control/policies…over the annexation of ECAN The Press has not hit National( which is a scandal in itself)…the people of Christchurch and Canterbury have suffered from not having a good or effective public critical watchdog
….the hard questions with a few exceptions are NOT asked by The Press ( admittedly it was quite good when Hagers book first came out …but has not followed through with hard questions about corruption…for this you have to go to the blog sites…)
….the moderation by The Press of the debate between Cunliffe and Key, at The Press chosen site of St Margarets ( how many Christchurch people can afford to send their children to private schools?) was virtually nonexistent…hard questions were not asked…..and Key was allowed to get away with anything and everything ( Kim Hill would Not have stood for it)
“Peter Dunne signalled he could work with Labour.”
How nice for him. Perhaps he could say if he will work with the Greens and IMP too, given that Dunne and Labour alone aren’t going to be much use.
“I love how the dial plummets when Jamie Whyte or Colin Craig say anything.”
BEFORE they even say anything, the dial plummets before Campbell has even finished asking them their question. Brilliant!
hopefully Dunne will have done his chips and won’t be there after the Election
Peter Dunned didn’t actually indicate that he could work with Labour, he said that he HAD worked with Labour and that if they got rid of some of their main policies he could work with them again. In other words, he could work with Labour if they were National.
The civility was good – and I think most everyone had a fair run. The contrast with the brawl in Christchurch is painful – alligator wrestling is a poor substitute for debate.
It’ll be all good September 21st though, when DC gets to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC1vAvbGSNw
I didn’t used to like John Campbell much. But gradually I have come to appreciate his abilities to put different slants on old topics. It doesn’t always work but you have to admire his persistence and willingness to try something a bit different, and put it in an entertaining way.
Lets sum up the possible working arrangements of the parties.
National will work with ACT, the Conservatives, United Future, Maori Party and perhaps the Libertarians. They will never (repeat) N.E.V.E.R work with Labour or Internet-Mana. They might work with NZ First (hey Winston does deputy PM sound good?) or the Greens.
Labour will work with the Greens, Internet-Mana, NZ First and United Future (if they are desperate) and are wishing that the Fabian Society was still in existence so they could work with them. They will not work with National, ACT or the Conservatives – so there!
The Greens will work with Labour, Internet-Mana and probably the Maori Party. They will not work with National, ACT, or the Conservatives. They will probably not work with NZ First or United Future but will probably work with the ban 1080 party
NZ First will work with anyone except the Conservatives and the Greens, and of course Brendon Horan. They (I mean Winston) will probably toss a coin on election night (heads with National, tails with Labour) to decide.
The Conservatives will work with National, ACT, United Future, the Maori Party (presumably) and perhaps even the Conservatives. They will not work with Labour, the Greens, Internet-Mana or NZ First. They MIGHT work with the Flat Earth Society (oh hang on they are not a registered party, Bugger!)
ACT will not work with anyone whose income is less than 200K a year. Kind of narrows the field a bit.
Internet-Mana will work with Labour and the Greens. They will not work with any others unless their policies include free internet for all.
The Maori Party will work with anyone or no-one, they are not saying.
United Future….ahem!….I mean Peter Dunne… will work with National, ACT, the Conservatives, Labour, the Greens, Internet-Mana, the Maori Party, NZ First, Brendon Horan and the Democrats for Social Credit. He might even consider the Workers Red Flag movement if they were in a kingmaking position (sorry Peter, they are not a registered party either).
If you haven’t twigged by now. I am not being serious. This is simply an exercise to lighten up the atmosphere a bit, least we all become too bogged down in the seriousness of it all.
Cheers John C for a great idea, well executed. Much better than any debate so far. I also heard Winston effectively stating he could work with the Greens – what a radical about turn for Winny. My guess is he’s reading the tea leaves and knows his legacy would be totally tarnished if he went in with the Nat’s and their corrupt ways. Taken with the polls, this clearly shows a progressive coalition is on course to win.
Nukefacts, yes indeed Winston has got on board with many Greens policies. It’s pleasing to see, but it’s also nothing more than a sign that Greens policies are gaining wide acceptance and popularity.
That is, Winston is a master at reading the zeitgeist and using it to get the numbers to get into Parliament. He then goes and negotiates the best deal for himself, and policies and positions from before the election fall by the wayside.
Make this clear to any of your friends and family thinking of voting for Winston as a break from this Government: The only way to be sure of changing the Government is to vote Labour, Greens or IMP. Winston is a question market. The three above are for sure.
Martyn,
Thanks for posting comments on the climate change debate in ChCh last night.
What shone in the debate, was the need for us all (including all political parties) to serious now get together and produce a binding policy on reduction of greenhouse emission’s.
This may seem as boring subject material but if everyone sat through the debate they would then see that this National Government is actually destroying any movement towards a policy of climate change at all. While greenhouse gas emissions have climbed 50% in the last decade we are facing certain disaster with severe weather events which are now affecting us all.
This changes the subject now as one of zzzzzzzzz, to one of urgency.
Can you arrange to find a screening link for this debate so everyone that actually cares about our future can watch the debate with all opposition parties debate on Climate change and mitigation?
NZ First’s Deputy Leader supports the Green’s carbon tax – I wonder if the boss knows?
He should do. The climate change spokesperson for New Zealand First is, wait for it……, Winston Peters
http://nzfirst.org.nz/winston-peters
After Tim Groser’s shocking performance justifying doing nothing, it is vital that three days after the election that this country sends new ministers to this event.
Don’t tell me about incumbency, or Prime Minister, or Miniisters elect, this is just too important an issue to let these bozos muck it up.
The government Ministers elected on September 20 need to represent us at this event. And they need to demand that right. There is no way that an unrepresentative bunch of climate change knuckle dragging neanderthals without a mandate from the electorate should be allowed to disgrace this country on the global stage.
The incoming government MPs need to demand that they step down.
“Beautiful but doomed”:
A book review
Climate change is habitat destruction writ large.
In most discussion about climate change it is often overlooked, that what we are talking about here, is the possible extinction of the human race.
Before you scoff, consider this, and consider that if that happens it will only take one black swan event to finish the job.
Something like the rise of a virulent highly, infectious contagion like ebola could do it.
What makes ebola particullarly deadly is when it spreads in a human population that has been stressed by war, or famine, or dislocation, which under the conditions of catastrophic climate collapse will be the majority of humanity.
With a population that once measured in the billions the passenger pigeon whispers to us from the grave.
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