Who paid for the dinner Judith and who was the Chinese official?

1. YES, now that is a NEW QUESTION that Labour seem to be putting to Collins. I would really like to know it, and Bill English has on radio already been quoted as saying, it does not matter, and bla, bla, bla.. Hah, it does matter, dear Bill, it does matter, because if it was Oravida, here we have one more aspect, that just makes it so abundantly clear, that Collins acted in conflict of interest.

   She must go, she will go, I hope that at least, and the pressure must be put on her again, in the House this very afternoon, and also in public, via the rather Nat friendly and on that side often so “forgiving” MSM.

   • Agreed. Although after this mornings depressing new poll results, I wonder if it will make any difference. I mean it seems their popularity has increased. Call me paranoid but I almost wonder if these damn polls are rigged.

     • AVENGING ANGEL – I do not think they are really “rigged” as such, because the media outlets publishing them, leave it to professional research and polling institutes to do the info gathering.

       The polls are though in themselves not as representative and “independent” as they seem, as there is the issue that some polls are only done via landlines, thus leaving out a significant segment of people who may be younger and more mobile, possibly also less conservative in their views. Questions can be asked in various ways, so it would be interesting to see what questions are asked by those pollsters.

       And the polls are manipulated by the media being so poll focused, they always tend to jump at them and read stuff into them, which maybe all stuff of their own imaginations and biased views. So that gets reflected back on the ones that are low in the polls, which is followed by putting extra pressure and scrutiny on them, to a degree, where media persons rather look for “flaws”, misconduct, personal and other failings in the lowly polling persons and parties, for the purpose of finding a reason for the results.

       The ones doing well in the polls tend to get patted on the back and praised, and therefore let off without much scrutiny. The observer (general public) still largley using MSM for “information” and “guidance” hear and see this, and their perception is shaped by that, so they then think: “Hey, Key is good, Cunliffe is “crap””.

       So that leads to a catch22 situation, where the next polls will already be determined by the previous negativity, which will only get more re-enforced. In the end we get people say: “Well, the election is a foregone conclusion, I may as well sleep in and do other things on election day, than bother to vote.”

       And hey, there you go, “goal accomplished”, that is the goal of the politicians benefiting from this, their spin masters in the parties, and their MSM lackeys, who do the necessary “work” to achieve what their campaign manager could never achieve any better.

       That is in my view how the polls work, sadly! Without balanced reporting, investigative journalism and analysis, and discussion on prime time programs, nothing much else can be expected, I fear. Without a decent, informative, balanced public broadcasting service, we will not have informed voters.

       • How depressingly true. I have a landline and have never been polled. One of the contributing factors (you touched on) is the dumbing down of populations in general, I’m including the MSM in that as so many of these young reporters seem to have no depth of knowledge or intellectual bent. I guess that’s what happens when you hire people for their looks.

         • Paddy Gower would be the only person who thought he’d been hired for his looks. But yeah, most of them are just sparkling white teeth and expensive hair. Being on TV means they attain a gravitas that very, very few of them deserve.

     • Exactomundo. How about hacking into phone lines? Wouldn’t happen would it? Naah.

     • I totally think they are, it’s so easy to bullshit anything these days. Polls create the apathy towards Labour it worked last time, I think they should be banned as propaganda.

       • Of course they should be. Until they start to show Labour in front, eh?

         • IV – I’d be more worried if the polls did show Labour out in front. That would create a false sense of security that would be as counterproductive as anything else…

           Having said that. Polling 750 people is not quite as accurate as polling 1,000.

           You can do simple arithmetic I hope?! (Though your inability to understand why borrowing $380 million a week to pay for National’s two tax cuts seems to put your counting “skills” in serious doubt.)

2. Like it or not most elections are decided by the swinging voter. This person may not care what Judith Collins did but they sure as hell don’t like the idea of the Greens getting near the Treasury benches. If Labour is to make any sort of electoral impact with those who determine election outcomes they need to state unequivocally that they will not coalesce with the Greens. But can they afford to?

3. It’s good that she’s walking away – she’s on the run. Keep chasing.

4. Walking away from Journalists, shows complete arrogance and it for this reason the pressure must be kept on Judith Collins, can you imagine what this country would be like if she was Prime Minister. Shudder, Shudder surely the gods could not be that nasty.

5. I don’t think David Cunliffe gets it. He’s happy that he is on the front foot with Judith Collins saying she should come clean over who paid for the dinner in China. This is only inviting his critics to tell him he should do likewise with the undisclosed donors of his secret trusts. The point is neither is a vote winner. For most voters the issues are the economy, health, education and employment. Labour are quite frankly wasting time pursuing this issue, time according to today’s Herald poll they haven’t got.

6. I’d be quite happy for polls to be banned. They don’t contribute anything to the democratic process and they certainly don’t help inform the electorate.

   On the other hand, I find it slightly amusing that the RWNJs are all saying that the emphasis should be on policies, the economy and all those stuffs rather than who paid for Judith’s dinner, or looking at the stink of corruption that’s been getting stronger around NAct. They were always keen to carry on about paintings, speeding cars, NY bank accounts etc when it suited them. A cynic might think they wanted to divert attention because they have a hell of a lot to hide.

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