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  1. … ” What I would say to Keith, therefore, is that Jacinda cannot afford to lose in 2017 – any more than Mickey Savage could afford to lose in 1935. The groundwork, for a fairer, smarter and environmentally sustainable New Zealand in the twenty-first century, needs to be laid over the course of the next three years, so that the true, the irreversible, transformation can take place in the years following the 2020 election. Just as there could have been no 1938 without 1935, there will be no 2020 without 2017.

    We have to do this NOW ” …

    I’m standing with Trotter on this !

    100% !!!

  2. In my view there are always many aspects of a situation to consider, when making any prediction about an election outcome. The above interpretation of historic elections may have some merit, but cannot in my view be taken as a golden rule.

    First and foremost to most voters is usually a sense for stability and convincing enough performance offered by any government, in New Zealand also offering a sense of justice. Much depends on the economy, especially within a population so shaped in its thinking and predictable behaviour through neoliberalism, the doctrine imposed on it over the last three decades or so.

    What is important though is that after three terms governments tend to get arrogant and also complacent, and that is what we have with the National led government at present. The so called economic ‘success’ is one created by mere growth of the population and more output of the same products and services, in settings that are not sustainable, neither economically (capacity constraints), nor environmentally (environmental degradation, finite resources being used to mass produce at the expense of soil, water and air quality). Growing the population puts additional demands and stresses on the whole existing infrastructure and the environment.

    In the end we are all not really better off individually, certainly not most, on a per capita basis, those that think so seem to be blinded by temporary lure of ‘value gains’ in property or in quantity of some stuff, that cannot and will not last.

    More people seem to realise the latter, and see a need for change. Yet many cling to perceived security, and fear losing the little they may have, e.g. investment in savings, in income, in job security, as every change brings feelings of insecurity and also some risks.

    But we cannot continue with the madness we have, we are missing the bus, so to say, when it comes to addressing climate change and the other pressing environmental challenges.

    Problem is most cannot see beyond the tips of their noses, so keep clinging to what bit they have. And the rich and privileged will of course want to cling to what they have, and grow even better off, at the expense of the rest, who are mere servants and slaves to build their increased wealth.

    Question is, whether enough realise the urgent need for change, and whether they have the guts to vote for it, even the motivation to do so. Both sides to the political spectrum are fighting harder than they did for many years, and it seems to be a neck on neck race.

    Whether a financial crisis will hit us next year or so remains to be seen, globally we will see serious crisis come anyway, and perhaps we may be better off with a more social democractic kind of government, perhaps more courageous to use the powers and the means of the state to deal with crisis and major challenges. The Nats would in a crisis do all to protect the interest of their lobbyists, and interest holding voters, the elite anyway. They may want to ensure the basic infrastructure gets maintained. But for the rest they are likely to impose austerity for the rest, meaning no happy or reasonable enough times for those less well off.

    In view of that, the decision is clear enough, rather have Labour in charge, despite of its flaws, than more muddling through and stuffing up the future under Bill and his lot.

    1. A clear and intelligent analysis of where we are at Marc.For me,constituency and party vote Labour, and to hell with the arrogant smarmy lying greedy National Party and their sycophantic hangers on !!

  3. This should assist those still needing some help to decide, the links to the audio and video streams, on the RNZ website, with the interviews Kathryn Ryan had with Bill English and with Jacinda Ardern on Nine to Noon yesterday and today:

    Interview with Bill English, National Party Leader, links:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201859175/national-party-leader-bill-english-on-nine-to-noon

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201859175

    Interview with Jacinda Ardern, Labour Party Leader, links:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201859324/labour-party-leader-jacinda-ardern-on-nine-to-noon

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201859324

    Kathryn Ryan was harsher on Jacinda than on Bill, but the interviews cover many important policy matters and issues, and the different positions that Labour and the Nats have.

    Neither party’s set of policies will be 100 percent workable, and neither will be the final and perfect solution to our future, definitely those of the Nats and Bill, but the direction that must be set for a sustainable future is what matters, so New Zealand is more on track for the future. Finetunings will happen, and negotiations will result in some changes, that is, because smaller support parties will want their input.

    So have a listen or a watch, and go and vote, tomorrow if you still need to enroll, on tomorrow or Saturday, if you already are enrolled.

  4. Losing to Bill English at this point would be an embarrassment at this point. After John Key handed Bill English the poison chalice of lies losing to National is just unthinkable. Sure Labour could remain competitive here and there but with out Jacinda leading Labour to election20 I just don’t see much consistency. And the deficits are ar only going to get worse, imo.

  5. Thank you Chris Trotter. What concerns me is the silent voters. What happened here in America there were millions of silent voters. Those who would not admit they were voting for Trump! These people have only concern for themselves. I am noticing the same with FB friends. Anyone who has not liked my shared Support Labour in this election are being deleted. I know who they are. Having said that the FB pages of Jacinda, And Labour have shown thousands of views. This has been a remarkable turnaround. Andrew Little still only gets a couple of Hundred likes. Kelvin and Willow Jean and Nanaia also only get a few likes. But Jacinda gets several thousand and has over 100,000 likes on her page. Her live from Greymouth had 22.3k views. This is huge for Labour and has not happened in Decades. I am still hopeful that the swing to the left will change the Government. You guys need to get to the local Labour outfit and help with getting voters to the polls tomorrow. Go you good things.

  6. And yet Trotter pulls himself out of bed on to the AM show the morning before the final day of polls and says
    “Labour had a brilliant saleswoman and a lousy product.”

    FFS! Stop letting every thought that passes through your head dribble out of your mouth to slavering right wing commentators! Use your fucking brain! THe polls not even closed and you do this, Trotter? You lunatic. Stay in bloody bed next time. you make Josie Pagani look useful.

    I am so sick of “left wing commmentators” that get confessional and starry eyed when they’re given some time on television. Giving an obituary in an MMP election before polls have even closed when National has NO natural MMP partner of any size!

  7. What about this possible scenario:
    National wins enough of the vote to cobble together a barely-workable government completely reliant upon the cooperation of NZ First.
    An economic shock, or scandal, or operational crisis occurs mid-term which causes the government to implode.
    Early election.
    Ta daaa!

    1. Steve King , have you read Willie Jackson today?

      He will be sitting at whatever table Coalition talks are held around.

      The numbers don’t lie.
      Labour/Green/NZF

      FFS stop re-gurgitating the Gnat dog whistle about Winston.

      1. Not regurgitating anything, sorry if its confusing. You can’t trust NZF unfortunately. If Labour/Green get to form a govt, NZF in the mix is a real fly in the ointment. I get Rankin’s point though, and Chris’s rebuttal is also valid. The only thing we can be sure about is the unpredictability of the election.

  8. Financial crisis in the offing? Don’t know, that’s been predicted for a while.

    Environment crisis, climate crisis? Just look around, it’s here and only going to get severe to unmanageable without strong, clear action NOW. That’s not going to come from transNational, it may not come from Labour but there is a better chance of it especially if the Greens muscle up on the defining issue.

  9. I agree with Keith. They just don’t have the the talent yet to deal with a crisis. This year will give a big new intake and 3 years to prepare.

  10. Get out there and vote Labour. If Keiths right I would rather they were at the helm than the self interested Nats.

  11. I find both Keith’s and Chris’ arguments thought-provoking. The key question they are both asking is; would Aotearoa be better of with a Nat-NZ First or Labour-Green(-NZ First) government if a global recession hits? The underlying question is this; is austerity or social support a better policy response to economic recession?

    Assuming Labour don’t go all Blairite and get suckered into preaching the austerity gospel if a recession hits, I think the person on the street will be better off with Labour and their social spending programs. Small business will be better off, because it will be easier for more people to keep spending if they aren’t putting aside every cent to pay for healthcare and the kids tertiary education. Larger businesses do better when small businesses can keep buying their goods and services. So actually everyone will be better off. The recent Auckland Chamber of Commerce comments about the need for government oversight of key infrastructure suggests that the business community know it too.

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