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  1. The country needs a group of people prepared to sit on their backside in a warm office draw a regular pay packet keep their head down doing their bosses bidding and slowly rising through the ranks to exist with a nice pension .
    Then there is another group prepared to take a chance develope a business putting themselves and theirs families future on the line to pursue a dream. If it goes well they hire the first group so both groups win . If the venture fails you start again and hope next time it works out .
    There is another group that is not prepared to work due to poor upbringing and poor role models .Unfortunately this group is growing and which ever government is in power needs to put more effort into breaking this cycle .

    1. Correct Trevor, and Mr Luxon and David Seymour do have effective plans to get these people off job-seeker benefits and the like and into productive employment.

      It’s a simple 3 step process.
      If they don’t want to get off the dole, if they won’t work for the dole, then there has to be a punitive cost.

      A by-the-right, quick march, 3 step process. Simple carrot and stick to get the country moving again.

      1. Too right! My 23 year old has not worked a bloody day in her life, Spends most of her day running her professional caregivers ragged. Greedy cow spends her spare $80 per week on frivolous things like medication and other wasteful things, you know clothing, toiletries that sort of shit.
        God I’m so sick of ignorant tossers and the fucking right wing blowhards that when in power strip funding from the Disabled. Every. Fucking. Time.
        I would ask her to give them a piece of her mind, but being unable to read or write at 23 with the cognition of a 5 year old, I will do it for her.
        I. Did. Not. Choose. To. Be. Born. Like. This…. The biggest kicker? MSD still insists on labeling Her “Retarded”

        So yeah kick the bennies and by extension everyone else because make no mistake they mean the most vulnerable as well and lets get those lazy Peons back in the pens there’s money to be made or “Saved”, just bear in mind you or one of your loved ones are a accident away from being one of them. Even she did not like Donkey, now that says a fucking lot. Got to love the disabled, they can smell shit from a mile off.

    2. Trevor do the actual numbers support your assertion that there is a growing group that don’t want to work? The unemployment rate is not showing that.

    3. People need fairness to work. If someone is expected to work for low wages and long hours then that is why it has become normal for people to go on benefits instead. Saw an add for a minimum waged meat worker in Auckland, they were expecting 50 hours and starting work at 6am (the public transport does not work at 5 am when they would have to leave!). Employers in NZ have become addicted to new migrants and the rest of NZ has to subsidise their wages, housing, health care, childrens education, superannuation needs and ACC! Many of those working these jobs, become injured and go on ACC or leave the work as soon as they can, their families require taxpayer money from day 1! Focus needs to be on bad working conditions in NZ for these jobs that function as immigration scams.

  2. The neoliberals love to talk of ‘worker shortages’ when the reality is a shortage of businesses willing to pay decent wages.

    If government must push someone’s face against the grill until they fall in line, perhaps it should be corporate fat cats, not our working class?

    1. Spot on. “We must pay for talent” ie unproductive backstabbing climbers, but must not allow the educated and skilled “workforce” to cause inflation. My experience is that In NZ bosses are very rarely the most qualified individuals in the organisation.

  3. Why not refugees? Maybe because we already have enough uneducated, illiterate and damaged people here in NZ? What we need are skilled, motivated and hard working people hence the government’s plan

  4. Agree 100% – NZ has struggled with brain drain and labour shortages after the 1980’s rogernomics that has made NZ living standards fall well below our neighbours like Australia.

    In order to bring NZ up to Australian standards we need to raise wages and have more regulation on the basics in NZ like banking charges, energy charges and water charges.

    Forget corporate welfare for housing and transport. The less the government fund and interfere in these areas the better it seems to be for everyone living in NZ!

    Just putting a bloated central layer of management on top and having some woke co governance talk is not going to cut it. They have tried before with Supercity, polytechs etc, but centralising and identity politics mantra has made everything slower and more dysfunctional.

    Maori and the poor who are the woke and neolbierals favourite groups to advocate for, in favour of rogernomic change, seem to be getting worse off, the more the woke and right-wingers advocate for them!

    Sadly the woke and right wingers all seem to sing from the same song sheet, then take over other groups like unions or make their own fake one like Generation Zero, in some sort of neoliberal brain washing that seems to be plaguing NZ!

    To stop adding to NZ’s problems, they need to call a halt to immigration until they can actually provide for the migrants and Kiwi’s who are currently still living and working in NZ, adequately, aka housing, transport, health care, quality education and so forth.

    Apparently you need $160k as an income for a family to live comfortably in Auckland but wages are a fraction of that, so don’t import in any families that earn below that. It is a folly to keep pushing more people into NZ who will then compete with existing people in poverty and below the bread line here.

    Our charities and benefits are overflowing with demand, because fundamentally NZ has been allowed to keep pushing migrants (and 50% of migrants coming to NZ are children and elderly who will need significant resources) on the back of a $30p/h job that existing people in NZ can be trained to do, but like migrants also leaving don’t because you need $160k to live comfortably!

  5. It seems NZ did a lot better before 1986!!! So only the woke and neoliberals seem to think that a greater population that is in poverty since 1986 is a good idea!

    “Provisional Stats NZ data released last week covering the June 2021 to 2022 year showed the population had increased to 5.12 million – up by 12,700 people (0.2 percent) – the lowest growth since 1986.”

    Since 1986 more people in poverty in NZ, we have a cost of living crisis, bad education outcomes, worsening health and crime outcomes, police, justice and courts overflowing, youth with ram raids, kids being killed and put in drums and suitcases and nobody notices for years.

    Not sure that many think life is rosier since 1986 in NZ!

    Prefer when everyone had a nice big house to live in, jobs a plenty at good wages, NZ led the world in education, clean rivers and environment!

    1. Agreed Save NZ it was better back then. It’s the Neoliberal model to create a lsrge group of very poor, a holllowed out middle and an extremely wealthy group at the top. The holllowed out middle increases inequality. Be interesting to see if this gap increases going forward into the future.

  6. Wages have risen up in recent times so bringing in migrant workers which in turn will drive down wages isn’t negative but simply the economy being rebuilt after Covid. I believe personally that the opportunity is definitely available now to offer working visas to the citizens of more impoverished countries. We also have, and should continue to, offer refugee status to more citizens of impoverished countries.

  7. WOKESAFE NOT WORKING!

    “The country’s health and safety targets have been scrapped and the regulator’s performance measures changed after it failed to meet most of them.”
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/health-and-safety-targets-shifted-worksafe

    I love how woke safe like to cherry pick to make sure that migrants killing other migrants or foreign companies (in particular from China) are not prosecuted when they kill workers.

    Double standards and bizarre decisions seem to be rife in woke safe.

    Illegally working overstayer dies on the job – ACC payment made to widow in China
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/illegally-working-overstayer-dies-on-the-job-acc-payment-made-to-widow-in-china/OWADEJMGCUYM36WLF6YNKUA2SE/

    Worksafe NZ’s investigation report found Yu was working as a builder under the umbrella of a company called Star Echo Ltd (SEL), which was the latest in a string of subcontractors hired to develop the Hobsonville house site.

    Although Zheng Jinghui was director of Star Echo, the discussions and work was taken on by “a very experienced and highly regarded builder in the Chinese building community”. Yu was among those hired to build the house.

    On the day of Yu’s death, he had climbed to an incomplete first floor to work in an area where struts were temporarily pinned by only two nails. A co-worker nearby turned when hearing timber moving and watched Yu “trying to regain his balance”.

    Yu “tried to grab at some joists but wasn’t able to hold on”. He fell feet first through to the ground floor 2.9 metres below, landing on a concrete slab. “As he fell back his head struck a piece of timber that was located on the ground.” Yu was declared dead in hospital two days later.

    The investigation report found Star Echo had three previous interactions with Worksafe NZ with faulty and incomplete scaffolding cited in each instance. The company had received notices compelling improvement from Worksafe NZ but was not prosecuted.

    In this case, there was a recommendation to prosecute the company for removing equipment and tools from the building site before either police or Worksafe NZ arrived in the aftermath of the accident.

    The investigation found Yu was 45 when he died with no visa allowing him to legally work in New Zealand after arriving on a 30-day visitor visa in 2015.

    Du told Worksafe NZ her husband paid $30,000 in China for legal work in New Zealand but realised on arriving here that he had been duped. After paying $1800 to another contact, Yu was connected with the builder who was overseeing work at the Hobsonville site.”

    As far as I can tell, the employer was not prosecuted for killing the worker, the owner of the house was not prosecuted, nobody in the immigration scam were prosecuted by police and the Chinese widow was paid out by taxpayer money from ACC when the worker and the employer did not even pay ACC or taxes in NZ for the work that Yu was doing.

  8. The new housing developments PC56 aimed at increasing intensification has hairs on it, firstly are the wealthiest suburbs throughout NZ going to be subjected to the same rules. Or will the rich get a high powered lawyer and have this legislation crushed, if so that is not fair. Secondly the PC56 is based on the premise that those living in motels is one of the main reason for the need to intensify when we know full well the majority of new housing intensification will not be for this group. Many of those living in motels come with multiple problems which is why the National party tried to distance themselves from providing social housing instead choosing to leave it to community and NGOs to deal with. We also know National made the HNZ criteria extremely hard for many to get onto which explains why the current list is so high.

  9. The rate is going down but many are not getting jobs that are 40 hour weeks and paying a wage that they can live on not just survive . I said these cases of unemployed or underemployed need to be looked into . Poor employers need exposing poor educators that do not equip our children with the education needed to apply themselves need a kicking ? This country is happy with mediocrity.
    Proof is the fact that gangs are growing ram raids are growing food banks are growing in need .At the other end Sealords in Nelson will lose a millions this year as they cannot process the fish they have caught .

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