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  1. I was kind of hoping a post apocalyptic world world of over 2 degrees average warming would bring fourth a star trek styles economic boom. Guess we’ll just have to the expensive way instead andntax the rich. America cannstillnhold onto to the vague sense of superiority by having the sometimes richest man in the planet.

  2. That’s okay the Maori party aren’t trying to end the symphony orchestra or anything else race based.

      1. However no Maaori’s have ever been in the NZSO. So basically a White Man’s Domain.

  3. Agree Bomber but there is the pesky separatist policy that comes with it.

  4. Why waste a vote on iether unless you realm want to live in a racist country with no business leaders .

    1. What like now! If anyone considers themselves business leader, they are facing the wrong way. Don’t follow them for our good as well as your own.

  5. “The problem for the Greens is Patriarchy and Colonialism not neoliberal free market economics.”

    It is much easier to think of oneself as noble for tilting at windmills rather than doing actual work or make use of $75M. The Green leadership engages in anti-politics where advancing anyone who is not heteronormatic-cis-white-male-righthanded-neurotypical-called-mike feels highly progressive but does nothing to address material wellbeing or challenge underlying neoliberal power.

    I would consider voting TPM for their socio-economic and foreign policy, but they are not simply championing Māori issues (which I could also get behind), they frequently appear to do so from an intersectional viewpoint which suggests they are also wrapped up in woke ideology. Only it hasn’t consumed them yet as it has the Greens.

  6. What Martyn calls the Class Left (genuine social democrats, other socialists, etc.) is almost entirely unorganised, and as a result the majority of the working class are unorganized — and so too the small-scale farmers.

    The workers cannot be expected to simply support a (very divisive) nationalist party, which offers them barely anything.

    Tamahere & Co. no longer support the Full Employment Policy. They do not oppose the abolition of the Award System and the right to strike. They do not oppose the abolition of import substitution. They do not oppose the mass privatisations. They do not oppose the mass union busting to end universal membership.

    They support the sacking of miners and closure of vital mines/exploration. They support raising costs for farmers, and do not oppose the abolition of subsidies and guaranteed gate prices.

    They do not oppose the mass closures of hospitals or transportation infrastructure. And they apparently have no plan to rebuild the many decimated industries.

  7. So left has the power but done SFA but we should vote for them again at the election because they might get something done?

  8. Even with the baubles they could still have negotiated. Her position should have been give me enough money to fix homelessness by the next election because we need to have something to hang a green hat on at the next election if not we walk away midterm because Labour won’t help us help the homeless. But if they had got the money they would have had to manage a homelessness fix which they don’t have competence to do.

    Instead they can claim to have destroyed a strategic oil refinery asset and wrecked the future prospects of the NZ oil and gas industry and provided subsidies to $70,O00 Tesla owners.

  9. I agree the Greens are useless and should have spent the last three years attacking Labour from the left (that’s what labour really really really really really hates)

    But the Maori party? The voice of the left? Apart from their gst policy and their welfare policy there’s nothing left wing about them.

    They are certainly not the alliance.

    I’m increasingly looking at TOP wasted vote or not they have the better policies of all the parties and could work with either side to get them achieved rather than being welded to the identity politics brigade.

  10. …when John Tamihere says he will take GST off food and tax the rich, you fucking know he is.

    JT is going to roll into that [coalition negotiating] room, kick arse and take names.

    But will he get the chance?

    All this hinges on Labour staying ahead of National.
    Never underestimate the angry revenge vote.
    On top of Labour’s refusal to take GST off food, or raise taxes on the rich, (despite expert advice), plus the latest government supervised OCR increases, all enlarges the angry revenge vote.
    Handing the election to National by feeding the angry vote, is fully in line with Chris Hipkins’ veiled threat delivered to the Maori Party to “be careful”.

    Chris Hipkins has signaled to the Maori Party that he will never compromise on Labour’s commitment to neoliberal economics even if it means Labour losing.

    Chris Trotter typified the modern neoliberal Labour Party this way;
    “The Labour Party would rather keep control of the losing side, than lose control of the winning side.”

    This is exactly the situation the Labour Party is facing now.

    Everyone is saying Luxon will never win. But they said the same thing about Trump.

    Never underestimate the angry vote.

    Bernie Sanders was filling football stadiums with popular policies of free medicare for all and action on climate change, but rather than offend their corporate backers, sure of victory, the Democrats gave their supporters an unpopular candidate instead.

    The Labour Party’s neoliberal mandarin’s determination to keep control of the losing side rather than lose control of the winning side, will see Labour lose the election to the angry vote.

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