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  1. The point here is that if/when pot is regulated anybody with a criminal record will be immediately excluded from the industry.
    No gang will ever make another penny from weed once it is regulated.
    I have a mate in Colorado. Made the best concentrates in the State. Was excluded from any industry involvement due to a drink driving charge 30 years ago.
    The answer is legalization and regulation, but I am afraid there will be no money it in for ex crim’s.

  2. Cannabis is aka Dope, which aptly describes its users and supporters (medical use excluded)

    1. My last experience with cannabis was over 20 years ago & I have no idea about today’s drug scene but most for users I knew it was an occasional thing for a good time & they led productive lives. The odd person who had to use every day tended to lose interest in useful things but were mostly harmless unlike the greater number who developed problems with alcohol & could be dangerous. Martins (and Kofi Annan, Don Brash etc) suggestion that drug use is a health issue rather than a criminal issue is the only way that things will get better with the added benefit that criminal supply of drugs will reduce using economic logic rather than police force.
      The money involved in the alcohol industry are totally against this idea as grow your own would destroy their profits.

    2. “Cannabis is aka Dope”

      Actually it is heroin that is traditionally referred to as “dope”

      1. When they talk about horse tranquilizer they call that dope. No wonder everyone is confused.

    3. And with a comment like that,I’m sure Dope aptly describes you as well…

  3. Hah! Cause and effect; the great reality.

    You get back what you put out; including the Police; and including the government.

  4. Maybe, just maybe if they relaxed a little didn’t jail and otherwise socially hobble our youth we may have the chance to get a better idea as to how just to tackle regulation.
    If you look at the estimated 500 000 New Zealand cannabis smokers, assume that each would comfortably consume 1 gram per week,(some less others more.) then you sold that gram to them @~$20 per gram, taxing it @15% on sales amounts to nearly $104 million in annual taxation revenue. I only imagine it may save the courts a bit of coin and just to top it off the freeing up of police time to go deal with meth. Just a couple of simple and direct ideas to offer this debate as it seems to me to be a no brainer.

  5. The answer is to decriminalize all drugs meth included. You could obtain free meth if you agree to registration as an user and agree to treatment and monitoring. Canabis should be legal to grow and smoke but not to sell. There is no way it should be licensed and taxed as that is what Big Tobacco is waiting for. While your at it make the rule the same for tobacco. Problem solved, Head Hunters retired.

    1. “There is no way it should be licensed and taxed as that is what Big Tobacco is waiting for.”

      Exactly. I can’t believe so many on the left echo David Seymour and right wing libertarians. Let capitalism replace the drug war? What a stupid idea.

      Harm reduction, not marketisation.

    2. Its worked well for Portugal so far.

      Decriminalisation of all drugs, in that it is an “administrative” crime to possess more than 10 days supply. A small supply? No consequence.

      Less criminalisation. Less crime related to drugs. Less drug addicts in Portugal by all accounts. Less health problems with less addicts, a dramatic decrease in deaths and disease related to drug use.

      The evidence of this experiment from Portugal since 2000, 16 years of it now, is clear.

      Decriminalisation works. It saves money, reduces crime, saves lives.

      If we wanted to follow an evidence fact based route we’d follow the example set and documented by Portugal.

      To do any less is to base our law on emotion, not fact. And that’s just bloody stupid.

    3. Yes. That’s the most sensible thing I’ve read yet. It’s ludicrous that drugs are criminalized or controlled for the good of the people, but there’s damn all help for those who have been damaged by them.

    4. You can grow your own tobbacco, for personal use, legally, now. The stuff grows like a weed. The art is in the drying, flavouring and shredding process.

  6. I’m not sure I agree with the idea that gangs take up legal grow ops. On the one hand you have a criminal organisation who’s whole existence is to flip the bird to authority, and on the other you would be asking them to comply with all the government regulation, constant harassment from police and regulators, banks want touch them. At least the retail side I would keep gangs away from for sure.

    Nah, I don’t think there is any business men amount gangs at all. All the smarter ones left ages ago and became priests. The guys that are left are just muscle. They’ll get left behind real quick in the legitimate business world. There are a number of reasons gang members and the populous they recruit from haven’t started up legitimate business.

    I think we should attack gang membership in other ways by making sure poor people are not poor any more.

    1. IMO Gangs also produce some of the WORST cannabis in the country , when its legalised no one will want to purchase their product because it is consistently of the LOWEST quality , not even properly ripened most of the time , leta lone cured like it should be …

    2. Make selling illegal – but possession, consumption, cultivation or gifting would be legal?
      Basically – we don’t want a tobacco or alcohol-style ‘market’ appearing.

      1. First off I have an extreme prejudice against meth.

        When you look at what cannabis prohibition in New Zealand and across the world has done. It has forced growers to use more sophisticated methods of manufacturing drugs every time there is a bust. So instead of using an acre of land to grow doop and ear a million bucks in a stationary fashion, you can now earn a million cooking meth in a room, and you can move around more easily in the hopes of evading police.

        Secondly half my mates from school are hooked on P and there all drop kicks. This one guy has his hand permanently stuck in the air like a spastic. I use my old freeing as an example because the effects of the meth trade is at a point where drastic measures must be taken.

        Legalise marijuana, do it any way you can, in home or in store, what ever. Attack the meth supply chain, there are huge sums of money being transferred, in the age of terrorist propaganda it is a ridiculous notion that large amounts of cash be allowed to flow unchecked around the black markets, bankers heavily involved in this area.

        It depends how the tax revenue derived from this new legal trade is spent. It would be stupid if this initiative ended up funding tax cuts. There is a lot of soul searching to do, a lot of question being thrown up but I think legalising canabis to the point of sale in shops would be the most politically exceptable in the short term.

  7. Yes. That’s the most sensible thing I’ve read yet. It’s ludicrous that drugs are criminalized or controlled for the good of the people, but there’s damn all help for those who have been damaged by them.

  8. Interesting perspective.

    Wasn’t cutting down on P one of National’s war on crime?

    I guess they got distracted in case someone managed to upload copywrite of their Hollywood buddies or get emails off Hager.

  9. “The hot and humid weather doesn’t help either, when growing indoors”

    Spider mite and sciarid fly population has EXPLODED this year…

  10. An additional problem with the shortage of outdoor cannabis is the proliferation of people making ‘synthetic’ cannabis in their kitchens. How much easier to get random herbs and pour chemicals over them, than go out and actually garden.

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