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  1. The left doubling down using the same toxic branded front persons will ensure their respective parties are in the wilderness for longer.
    A cull is required.

    1. The right simply being their toxic usual selves. The repealing of the smoke-free legislation shows contempt for the lives of all NZers. No sugar coating it by way of blaming the left will change this. Worse still hard right supporters are responsible for those deaths.

  2. “I’m not looking for socialism here folks, just basic garden variety regulated capitalism!”

    I’d vote for that. I won’t vote for any more bullshit from Hippy Chipkins or anyone in the Greens or TMP. Here is the line for me. They’ve had their opportunity for cowardly and hateful killing-everyone-you-don’t-like parroting, now it ends. If they won’t end it, then any party that has those usual suspects as members will not get my vote. It’s not like they are the only politicians on the planet. I agree that somewhere after “women are people too”, and “all men are rapists” the woke perspective well and truely lost it’s way. Most people understand what it was supposed to say on a number of overdue and constructive discussions, now the hate is overwhelming and divisive. Base policies on raising the people left behind in a way that doesn’t favour the top 20% and building back attitudes that support community, not private enclaves. That’s as best as we can hope for a turn away from the kind of attitudes that try to get a council to recind a heritage site for the sake of a home renovation.

  3. Chippe and Robertson unlikely to be re booted and refreshed. Will need a new inspiring common sense leader.

    1. You mean like Key and English.
      Perhaps Chippy and Robbo should just abandon ship like the other two rats but they won’t because they have integrity.

  4. It’s not “socialism.” It’s “socialise.” I’m happy to pay a bit more taxes if there are things that are free to use like free public or ridiculously cheap public transport and nice manicured areas along the water front where you would typically put bellow average coffee bean merchants (don’t at me. You are not roasting imported coffee beans in any great measure) but put open public space along the water front where people from southern and western suburbs can bring there children, watch them play and have a sandwich. That’s not socialism that’s socialise. But oh know we have to gentrify possomby princes wharf and the viaduct because you went to far right with ideologically driven taxes talking Kaka envy or some fantastic poverty porn drama they don’t deserve it because, choices. Kefe.

  5. They will go back to protests, rants and criticising which is what they are best at while commentary that is biased to the left slates everything national do just because. We need a clamp down on public service costs and labour couldn’t do that under Jacinda or chippy. Labour need to learn to manage this not just make pretty speeches like Jacinda did.

    1. @ MJ That’s your opinion. How do you know how many and how much is required to run the country? You talk in an informed lordly way about over-expenditure. Has anyone done a study detailing figures for even a ballpark guess? Please give link and explain why the author is someone worth our close attention.

      1. Yes Greywarbler…”clamp down on public service costs”

        By that MJ means go back to a low wage economy and then complain that our nurses are leaving for Australia because they are over worked and under paid.
        Idiots like MJ are the problem.

    2. Everyone wants value for money, in private lives and in govt management. But ‘wasteful spending’ and ‘economic mismanagement’ is simply part of the narrative the Right use to support their own position, one of minimal government, deregulation and cost savings. Good for business perhaps – and if we are to believe also the ‘squeezed middle’ – but the end user always ends up paying. That’s everyone of course, including the squeezed middle, and those already at a disadvantage are further disadvantaged. The gap continues to widen. But that’s the Right for you. But here’s the rub. For the most part the so called Left that we see today play the same game, albeit with a different narrative. Call it what you like: the middle way, capitalism with a conscience, social capitalism, socialism in name only. Same deck of cards dealt a bit differently. But hey, I know where I’d rather be living!

      1. Jacinda was the last chance hotel. You had a chance to spend a lot of dosh fixing a lot of things but you prioritised people over things because you thought it would be cheaper. Now you all have big attitude problems.

  6. It is possible a new party can rise from the ashes of the Labour Party but it will take 6 to 9 years.
    I suggest they start now from scratch.

  7. The answer to the question in your headline is: Into the wilderness for at least a decade. Until National have been in office so long that they think they have an arrogant ‘right to rule’ like the uk Tories now clearly have.

    Overall I suspect we’ve seen Peak Left judging by the outcomes of elections in many parts of the democratic world. So when National eventually get the boot expect a true hard line nationalist party to replace them.

    1. “Until National have been in office so long that they think they have an arrogant ‘right to rule’ like the uk Tories now clearly have.”

      Only took two weeks!

  8. If the union protest against fair pay is anything to go by the Coalition has little to worry about from that sector.The TPM may be better but even protesting Maori have to work to feed the family so there is only so much time they can spend not working.

    1. The fact they have to protest shows how appalling the coalition of chaos is already. That should be of concern particularas the world are seeing the government as an embarrassment.
      Think about the words “fair pay” for a moment, if not fair pay it’s unfair pay, that’s what this government is advocating.

      1. What about fairness to the employer who takes the gamble to start a business. Many fail and lose everything but if they succeed they are called out as bad people .Fair pay is good but conditions vary from place to place some a very profitable some not so much so pay needs to be variable as well

        1. Fairness is always there for good employers, I think you’ll find it is the rogue ones that fail and lose everything. The issue with pay being variable, as you say, is that supermarket prices, petrol price and rentals and house prices aren’t variable( to a degree) so when you live on a variable wage, you will fail.

        2. Surely a business does a risk analysis before startup including outgoings. There is no such thing as unfairness to an employer as they own sole power.
          If the risk is too high don’t start up a business.

  9. Disagree with some of your woke bashing, but the left’s policy vision needs to be about the betterment of those struggling to get by. The Greens and Te Pati Maori should have an hui sometime next year to prepare an election strategy to maximalize their negotiaton power with Labour as a joint block pushing for a core set of commitments: Wealth tax, captial gains tax, rent control, free dental care and a guarenteed minimum income would be the main 5 I’d focus on

  10. So what about the children then? Where are the voices decrying the callous kneecapping of the only officially recognised independent Commissioner for Children which all of our children ever had ? Sepoluni is not, and will never be a Mother Courage, and it’s a crying shame she’s not jumping ship like their mute Minister Kelvin Davis. “ Every child counts” is not an utterance of any New Zealand politician in spite of our terrible track record and dumb failure to invest in the future which children represent, and will have to carry.

  11. ‘If you’re woke, you’re left. If you’re left, you’re woke. We blur the terms, assuming that if you’re one you must be the other. That, Susan Neiman argues, is a dangerous mistake.
    ‘The confusion arises because woke is fuelled by traditionally leftwing emotions: the wish to stand with the oppressed and marginalized, to address historic crimes. But those emotions are undermined by widespread philosophical assumptions with reactionary sources. As a result, wokeism conflicts with ideas that have guided the left for more than 200 years: a commitment to universalism, a firm distinction between justice and power, and a belief in the possibility of progress. Without these ideas, the woke will continue to undermine their own goals and drift, inexorably and unintentionally, towards the right.
    ‘One of the world’s leading philosophical voices, Neiman calls with passion and power for the left to return to the ideals that built the best of the modern world.’
    https://marxandphilosophy.org.uk/reviews/20957_left-is-not-woke-by-susan-neiman-reviewed-by-guy-lancaster/

    https://www.thenile.co.nz/books/susan-neiman/left-is-not-woke/9781509558308

    1. You won’t get it. Universities are selling trash degrees for hundreds of thousands. Students have to put up with hate speech laws, 400 dollar student accommodation and 200 dollar student allowance. They can also look forward to million dollar mortgages. The kicker is woman only appointments. 60 percent of graduates are woman and they ain’t choosing STEM. That’s why you won’t get anything done. Woman want to do the easy work the hard work isn’t getting done. Yknow building roads, rail, bridges, maintaining telecommunications so that the woman can earn the big bucks on Only Fans. Wonderful. You go queens.

      1. Well, @ Sam, a bit of a rant but half of me agrees. The other half would say it not universities selling trash degrees but students buying a dream that is not always realised. They ‘re not to blame. “Education, education, education” we are told. Works for some. Me thinks better educated than not. But here’s the rub. Simply turning up for the parchment on graduation day doesnt always provide the key. What counts is the transformation. But granted everyone’s experience is a big different and a good few waste their time and money and/or end up in trash programmes.

        As for ya other points well you’re entitled to your opinion but that’s only what it is. A good many women would argued its they who get stuff done, but not necessarily igniting the dynamite and shovelling the rock.

        1. Exactly what got done in the last 40 years? State highway one is short about a thousand ks of highway and a new harbour crossing. Your an idiot that confuses subjective feelings for objective reality. You are not getting things done necause universities hate men it’s very simple, New Zealand practices misandry and now your sitting there with the attitude problem.

  12. The whole economic world order is going to be completely changed by AI and automation. If we look the the projections of this technology, we could be seeing the emergency of AGI within 2 years, and if not – we will certainly see major changes in the way businesses operate, reducing levels of employment regardless of AGI. We’re also seeing massive advances in robotics, and since there systems are designed to allow for exponential unsupervised learning, they will advance rapidly, far more rapidly than most politicians can comprehend. Our current political paradigms will become worthless, the problems the left care about will be altered profusely and this will fundamentally change political narratives. Our current political systems centralise too much power, and we must look toward constitutional devolution, enhanced personal liberties, and community empowerment, this must be facilitated through tax reform that reduces income, corporate and consumption taxes, and implements wealth, land, capital gains and automation taxes. Local councils should be given more powers and more ways to generate revenue, and a binding constitution should be implemented that allows for binding referenda to establish and authorised annual rates of migration – stopping both the idiot left and the regressive right from using immigration as a wedge issue and perpetuating ethnic radicalisation. Our rates of immigration are unsustainable, both for wage growth and infrastructure. Yet the right will allow this migration for the supposed economic benefits, and the left will be too concerned with identity politics it won’t be able to conceive of a coherent migration policy. Purge all identity politics, including intersectionality from political narratives, as these are plants by corporate related entities that exist to distract and corrupt the left away from its true purpose.

  13. The whole working hours comparison seems fictional. No way we are working longer than Japan! Our productivity is at the bottom of the heap. Seems like kiwis do lot more huis than doing in the extra long hours they are working. Govt should bring 4 day work week (keep same pay), as people will get instant payrise, and no change in productivity- win-win. This will give unmeasurable benefits to the whole society.

  14. New Zealand’s new right-leaning government took more than a month to take shape, but Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his coalition partners are now racing to strip back policies that had earned former leader Jacinda Ardern plaudits worldwide amongst progressives.

    1. Among Progressives but not really anyone else and also left NZ in tatters. I’d rather we’d missed all those plaudits and had an economy not in recession (thank’s Grant)…

      1. Do some research abominable snowman. Recessions were global after the pandemic and now we have Willis raping our economy.

  15. Unfortunately, until the left aren’t seen as being dominated by identity politics, I can only see this coalition staying in power for as long as it likes. And given identity politics is not going to weaken any time soon, that could be forever.

  16. Unfortunately, until the left aren’t seen as being dominated by identity politics, I can only see this coalition staying in power for as long as it likes. And given identity politics is not going to weaken any time soon, that could be forever.

    1. This coalition is a moment in time. Next election, under mmp, Perhaps voters will support the Nats to go it alone.

      1. If the first two weeks in power is anything to go by National will be confined to the incinerator.

    2. Just the left David?
      Why do you think Key and Now Luxon got in ahead of so many longterm ministers?
      Because they were identities.

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