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  1. Chris, you must be old enough to recall the original 1950/60 Peace Movement, although you may not have been near the action in Europe at the time.
    It turned out the peace movement and the organization behind it (the World Peace Council) was just a KGB agitprop operation.

    1. Speaking of appeasement, the point has been made by others that the West’s failure up until this latest invasion has been to give Putin the impression that he can do pretty much anything to non-NATO countries and there will be few consequences. It is kind of late to now throw everything at him, but where will he stop if nobody stops him?

      There should have been firm but non-military reactions to his first escapades. And probably, NATO should not have accepted post Soviet States as members. We can argue till we are blue that there is no reason Russia and the US should be able to bully their neighbours, but they can.

      It seems the West made the calculation that Russia has lost its status as a great power, and thus did not deserve the same special treatment that the US gets regarding a sphere of influence, but it often takes a while for countries to accept they are slipping behind others, and Russia is angry.

      The US is showing signs of the same syndrome with resurgent fascists wanting to take aggressive actions against anyone who threatens their economic hegemony, rather than address the lack of investment in its own people that has caused the problem.

      The West now needs to make this war costly enough that Putin will be persuaded never to do something like this again, but not to provoke him into a nuclear war (that he clearly wants us to believe that he could do). This is incredibly difficult when you don’t know how the man thinks and how sane he is.

      The obvious action would be to stop buying the fuel that funds the destruction of Ukraine, but Germany is more concerned that their economy will collapse and Germans will be cold in winter (although probably not as cold as the many Ukrainians who now have no gas or electricity, or no home at all). Germany was warned not to hook themselves up to Russia, but they did, and now they would like Ukraine to bear the cost of their mistake rather than take responsibility themselves.

      All of this will seem largely irrelevant in a generation or two if, as climate scientists warn us is likely, global civilization does not survive because politicians can’t say no to oil companies. Turning off the oil would neutralize most of the world’s existential threats in one fell swoop.

      1. This is incredibly difficult when you don’t know how the man thinks and how sane he is.

        Some of Putin’s generals may have harboured similar concerns, as some (recent reports suggest around 20) have been sacked, arrested, or, er… suddenly died.

        Most recently, one man has now been put in charge of all military operations, if I understand it correctly, – someone also known as “the butcher of Syria”.

      2. Your last sentence, yes.

        “The US military is the largest institutional consumer of oil in the world. Every year, our armed forces consume more than 100 million barrels of oil to power ships, vehicles, aircraft, and ground operations—enough for over 4 million trips around the Earth, assuming 25 mpg.” https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/us-military-and-oil

  2. The Russophiles are clearly struggling to process increasing footage of Russian atrocities.
    But CT you answered your own question in the piece: all the “evil”western nations could protest because our grandparents fought fascism so we aren’t speaking Japanese or German and have free speech and (decreasing)democracy.

    Russia (and China)fought fascism but now emulate it and don’t allow free expression.
    Russia arrested its anti war protestors.
    Why would the west mass protest a fascist autocracy expecting it to change?
    They wouldn’t, but they do at least know not to appease them.

    Also, were there protests in western nations when the USSR invaded Afghanistan?

    1. It all depends on the definition of fascism. The West can be accused of fascism as well…..from the Collins English dictionary…”Fascism encourages militarism and nationalism, organising the Country along hierarchical authoritarian lines”. Sounds alot like the West.

      1. That’s a very loose definition of fascism.
        I think more historically it’s a form of militant nationalism where government controls businesses for its own ends and dissent is violently repressed.
        I can’t think of too many western nations meeting that bar but Russia and China certainly do.

  3. WOW! – “Do your worst Russia, and we will do ours!” If that is what it has come to then we are indeed in a dark place. But hang on Chris – haven’t your previous posts argued, and eloquently, that Russia is justified in its refusal to accept the inexorable movement of Nato towards its borders, and that that was what was in the offing? If the peace movement is conspicuous by its absence at this time, so too, suddenly, are the tenets of that argument. Drowning in the excruciating images of cruelty, death and destruction with which the media is swamping us, and daring us to ignore them, some seem, like foul-weather Christians, to be now re-assuming the old Cold War default positions.
    As terrible as war is, and, as you say Chris, nobody knows that better than the Russians, and not forgetting the Minks agreement which it forged with Ukraine to avoid one, either Nato’s march towards Russia justifies its invasion of Ukraine, or Russia’s motivation is conquest for its own sake. Which is it?

    1. I took CT’s first articles about Russia and NATO as saying the West could have done more to try to avoid a war in Ukraine, now that the shooting has started he makes the point that Russian actions and our media are creating mass support amoung western nations to defeat Russia. I don’t see any conflict between his idea’s, even the ones I don’t agree with.

  4. AJ your a troll, you probably have cabbage and pigs intestines for breakfast. Shit in shit out.

    1. What’s wrong with eating cabbage and pigs intestines for breakfast and yes my toilet habits are really regular…denby

  5. According to independent Russian monitoring group OVD-Info, anti-war protests are happening “Daily” throughout Russia, with thousands being arrested. https://ovd.news/news/2022/03/02/russian-protests-against-war-ukraine-chronicle-events

    “On February 24th, Russia started a war with Ukraine. Since then, anti-war protests have been happening daily. OVD-Info is providing legal aid to those arrested and is sharing information about the detentions. Find key details in our daily chronicle! As of March 24th, according to OVD-Info data, there have been 15,095 protesters detained in 151 Russian cities since the beginning of the protests.”

    From April 4-8:
    “Anti-war actions continue throughout Russia. Some of them end with detentions, arrests or even criminal cases. We publish this week’s chronicle of the most notable stories.” Details of some of these individual cases are on the page.

  6. 14th April:
    One of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s closest allies warned NATO on Thursday that if Sweden and Finland joined the US-led military alliance then Russia would deploy nuclear weapons and hypersonic missiles in an exclave in the heart of Europe.

    Finland, which shares a 1,300km (810-mile) border with Russia, and Sweden are considering joining the NATO alliance. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/14/russia-warns-of-nuclear-deployment-if-sweden-finland-join-nato

  7. “Faced with horrific, mounting evidence of their atrocities in Ukraine – bombing schools, playgrounds, orphanages, maternity hospitals, train stations with missiles marked “For the Children”; summary executions and other “grave abuses”; dumping thousands of bodies of burned, tortured, hands-tied civilians into pits, wells, mass graves or leaving them strewn in the streets of razed cities; raping women, teenagers, children; driving almost two-thirds of Ukraine’s children, five of 7.5 million, from their lives, with nearly half of those remaining beset by hunger and likely most by lifelong trauma – charged with what are deemed these “unspeakable crimes,” Russia has dug deep into full, mad, staggering denial: Nothing to see here.”
    https://www.commondreams.org/further/2022/04/12/russias-fake-news-flagrantly-brutal-provocation

  8. Biden’s nuclear policy is the same as Putin’s
    “On March 29, the White House released a short summary of Biden’s upcoming strategy on nuclear forces indicating his decision: “The United States would only consider the use of nuclear weapons in extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States or its allies and partners.”

    This effectively makes the U.S. stance on nuclear employment indistinguishable from Russia’s. According to its military doctrine, Russia may use a nuclear weapon if it faces an “existential” threat — a fact of which Putin has reminded observers around the world in recent weeks as he pummels Ukraine.”
    We’re not having a peace movement because we’re exposed to the best propaganda that money can buy, night after night, especially contrived to awake our darkest emotions.
    I’m not buying any of the “atrocities” at present.And Russia is not unlovable, the Russians love it, and certainly the people of the Donbas.
    I’m amused by people who speak of
    The Ukranians”as if they are one people.Medvedchuk , who is Zelensky’s strongest opposition, now under arrest for “treason” with his wife pleading Erdogan to save him, would never have been elected if there was not a strong Russia leaning population in Ukraine.

  9. No Chris despite years of propaganda informing you that Putin is Hitler, that Russia is Mordor, and that western motives are pure and our democracy wonderful you are mislead on all counts. The worst mistake is the concept of Ukraine as a victim, a brave little state. No its not, its a corrupt right wing kleptocracy with immense corruption. It has killed 14000 of its citizens in the Donbass.

    The real issue I see as an antiwar person is that like in 1914 the rank and file has fallen into line and swallowed the bait. Where indeed are the protests against both Russia and the West? Conditioned into insanity seems the only reasonable answer.

    1. Conditioned into insanity seems the only reasonable answer.

      Yep. M.A.D. now seems to be the way of the world.

  10. I took CT’s first articles about Russia and NATO as saying the West could have done more to try to avoid a war in Ukraine, now that the shooting has started he makes the point that Russian actions and our media are creating mass support amoung western nations to defeat Russia. I don’t see any conflict between his idea’s, even the ones I don’t agree with.

  11. Chomsky on Global Response to Biden Calling Putin a War Criminal: ‘Takes One to Know One’

    For just over an hour, Chomsky spoke with The Intercept’s Jeremy Scahill about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s February invasion of Ukraine, media coverage of the war, how governments around the world have responded, and the need to move toward “a diplomatic settlement.”

    Their conversation follows U.S. President Joe Biden earlier this month reiterating his condemnation of Putin as a “war criminal” and urging a war crimes trial—which sparked global discussions about the United States’ longtime opposition to the International Criminal Court (ICC).

    “We’re a rogue state, the leading rogue state by a huge dimension—nobody’s even close,” Chomsky said of the United States. “And yet we can call for war crimes trials of others, without batting an eyelash.”

    “It’s interesting to look at the reaction to all of this in the more civilized part of the world, the global self,” he continued. “They look at it; they condemn the invasion, say it’s a horrible crime. But the basic response is: What’s new? What’s the fuss about? We’ve been subjected to this from you from as far back as it goes. Biden calls Putin a war criminal; yeah, takes one to know one. It’s the basic reaction.”

    “The U.S. can’t understand that,” he claimed, going on to add that “there’s a lot of work to do in the United States simply to raise the level of civilization to where we can see the world the way the traditional victims see it. If we can rise to that level, we can act in a much more constructive way with regard to Ukraine as well.”
    Full article at: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/15/chomsky-global-response-biden-calling-putin-war-criminal-takes-one-know-one

  12. Dear Chris, Many of us have a long commitment to peace in Aotearoa. There is much to do. I think we need to work smarter not harder. Unfortunately the 20 million people globally to protested on the streets to prevent the illegal war on Iraq, which was based on lies by Tony Blair and George Bush, were ignored, and the peace movement suffered. Calls for a ceasefire is the only same response at this time. Lobbying our government to make independent decisions that do no harm, as sanctions do to innocent people, would help. Joining our global https://act.worldbeyondwar.org/stoplockheedmartin/ campaign this week 21-28 April would help too. As would wearing a white poppy on Anzac Day. Never give up! Arohanui, rangimarie, Liz Remmerswaal, World Beyond War Aotearoa xx

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