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  1. ‘Andrew the ‘Keynesian’ advocate again’ – pontificating John Key model of NZinc’ who under Key sold off all our assets then charged us astronomical prices for services like a common carpetbagger.

    Criminals like John key should now be facing the public rage now as we have lost our economic stability to these overseas carpetbaggers.

    Carpetbaggers have no conception nor a moral fibre to switch to a green new deal sadly.

    We are stuffed.

  2. “Finance must be taken out of the ownership and control of for-profit banks and finance companies and made a public utility that is put at the service of the whole society and to finance the transition needed.”
    This is true for many reasons apart from combating climate change. But that is an undertaking way beyond the vision of any current New Zealand politician with the possible exception of Winston. But if the Green New deal/ climate change movement can produce a “climate” that makes that possible in a global transition I will become a climate change advocate again.
    Without it being a world wide movement it’s too much to hope our government would unilaterally impose the radical changes on our society that would be needed to reduce our emissions at all , or even stop increasing them. I don’t think it is possible in a democracy. The devastating compromises required to our way of life, and even maintaining everyone’s life leave alone the flood of immigrants we are inviting is more than a government can impose and hope to ever be elected again. The population will need to be convinced to make the necessary changes on individual and family initiative like the hippy movement toward simple self sufficiency that some baby boomers embraced and acted on in the 60s and 70s. There are still some of them around doing it that way.
    D J S

  3. DJS – Bloody well said David,
    I couldn’t have said it better. 100%

    At 75 I am still an environmental warrior.

    My 1931 depression/WW2 generational Dad said “lead by example”.

  4. Sad but true, looks like Our Party comments are now being censored on TDB. Probably far to radical & common sense orientated for TDB, so much for free speech eh!

    Not surprising really as blogs on TDB are sometimes very similar to those on stuff news (which can’t be commented on). It just goes to show how closely related old & new liberalism are & how they work together to uphold the globalisation elites stranglehold on our nation.

    No wonder then that genuinely radical & alternative views have no chance of being heard.

    Anyway, TDB is firmly in the liberal/new-liberal globalisation establishment camp, so I suspect they’ll go down with the ship when the war heats up.

    Overblown ego’s & ideology eh, a really a bad mix. No one has a monopoly on good ideas.

    This will not be published but it’s quite therapeutic.

    1. Comment posted, what a refreshing surprise, but my recent comments have still not been published so TDB continues to censor Our Party views, a big boo hoo you ratbags.

      1. Hah – join the party. They do it when you don’t expect it, and when you expect it, they sometimes don’t.

      2. Just happened again with a comment I made on this post and topic, Mr Treen is protected from criticism.

  5. It’s now obvious that TDB does not support free speech or alternative views. TDB & all associated with it will now be put in the enablers of the liberal/neo-liberal globalisation dictatorship & traitorous enemies of the NZ people basket by Our Party. Let’s hope the wokie TDB crew has a plan B when to tide turns, as things will get messy. Post this, yer right.

  6. …. not allowed having cows, hehe ….

    Different versions and variations of a ‘Green Deal’ are discussed since 30 years and longer, a more recent, succinct vision has finally reached the US Democrats and UK Labour. No doubt, this is good news.

    A large majority of Kiwis is aware of climate change and expects constructive reaction and responses from the government-in-charge.

    Large numbers of Kiwis across all sectors are knowledgeable and trained in matters of climate analyses, early warning, risk reduction, mitigation and adaptation, community and rural development, natural resources management, safeguarding of infrastructure, communication and (national / international) coordination. The list goes on.

    Certainly, no one knows everything, and no one can exactly anticipate details or predict timing and scope of potential events. This is also not required.

    What is helpful instead, is that the available substantial local expertise and wide range of local capacity is bundled, harnessed and brought together in a sort of Community and Expert Climate Convention (or similar network) that directly influences government action.

    The proposed small, private-sector oriented climate commission headed by a former senior staff of the reserve bank is completely inadequate for the challenges that NZAO and the Pacific do face.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIN0heCLOd0

      1. A socialist green party at this moment in time would be a thing of wonder

        just what the doctor ordered and just might do the trick.

        be very useful wouldnt you say ?

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