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  1. I dunno, this sounds like a call to beef up the police. An under prepared police against a protest movement not worthy of the cause, sounds like the name of this game.

    From my point of view, what happened was allowed to happen until the powers-that-be said no more and whoosh, it was over with in a flash. Hardly unequal to the task. And the NZ public at large, will their views, as per usual, were shaped by the mainstream media coverage, thus they were kept in check, easily enough.

    1. Such unrest would have to have a level of mass support, were it to ever escalate beyond a mere rowdy protest.

      Political terror by a tiny minority is another question, but it’s hard to believe the cops would be unable to deal with something so small.

      It’s also difficult to believe that they would not severely crush any major threat to the U.S. neo-liberal order. Surely such protesters would be off to jail for “insurrection”, “sedition” etc. — and, if the government itself was breaking away from U.S. control, the N.E.D. funded N.G.O. groups would be launching another Langley-directed Color Revolution (i.e. a coup).

  2. I wasn’t in New Zealand in ’81. Ironically, I had just arrived in South Africa after 4 years in Zambia. I was rather bemused at the idea of the protest in NZ because I found that blacks in South Africa were generally FAR better off than those I worked with in Zambia and several other post-independence nations to the north of SA. Zambia was a one-party state under Kenneth Kaunda. and he had literally wiped the Lumpa tribe off the map. Total genocide. My Zambian workers were starving when I left because of a collectivist socialist induced famine. President Mugabe in Zimbabwe was killing the Matabele in that country, leaving mass graves in his wake. Tanzania had also turned into a one-party Marxist state under President Nyerere and its citizens were starving too, despite it being an exporter of food under British rule. Just like Zambia. Zaire under Mobutu was just a despotic hellhole of thuggery. Both Mocambique and Angola were at war with themselves whilst also starving. Africans were pouring into Apartheid South Africa to escape all of that! The black refugee Rhodesian who lived next door to me in Joburg said “My Brothers at home are crying for Smith!”

    I suppose the message I got at the time was not to protest about something you know nothing about. I think the same would apply today about Israel. How many of you have actually been there? If you wish to destroy that country because in your mind some aspect of it ‘isn’t fair’, what’s your alternative? The Muslim thug state and theocracies that surround it? Really?

    1. Well certainly South Africa is now a complete disaster; dysfunctional and corrupt with the highest inequality (GINI coefficient) and third highest crime rate in the world – just behind socialist paradise Venezuela and tribal madhouse Papua New Guinea. Agree Andrew, the “know it all” Minto type obsession with Israel is deeply and dangerously unbalanced. Motivated by hate not love?
      Note: African countries take out nine of the top ten most unequal societies in the world, so it’s not just a SA issue.

    2. Is decolonising NZ to Aotearoa NZ destroying it?
      Same for the Israeli colonisation apartheid and occupation.

      I mean, if you are for israeli impunity and the dropping of missiles on a population without recourse to a military or justice, I’m sure just the latest murder of shooting of a 2 year old in the head is just bread and choose to you. cos they deserved it. Cos “since we let it happen, it must be all right.”

    3. We know that power corrupts, the question is how do we stop it & not our corruption is better than yours as an excuse to do nothing.

  3. The Police failure at Albert Park leaves a lot of unanswered (or even unasked) questions. It was obvious there would be a large contingent of protestors blatantly broadcasting their intention to “stomp the Terfs”. Why such a half arsed effort to ensure peace and legitimate assembly?

    1. Thank you David George. I wondered when someone was going to mention Albert Park.

  4. No. It was the blatant hypocrisy of the Left who think the right to protest only applies to them.

    1. 100% Robbie. I couldn;t believe the squells from the professional middle class in Wellington about how much more worthy their protests were compared to the anti mandate crowd

      The attitude was also similar about Albert Park where many lefties denied, distorted or rationalized the violence against women there. It made me realise that many of those “feminist ” leftie men had been full of shit and really had no idea about women’s issues whatsoever

  5. The ’81 protestors got old, and we knows what that does to your outlook on life.

  6. A few can openings here. What’s really to learn? How about we focus on an election coming?

  7. Most interesting thing here is how much influence the professional middle classes have always had in this country. I had been deluding myself that we were all largely working class despite our life successes and personal progress.

    Quite frightening to understand that this self protective cadre are in a sense, the true enemies of democracy. it’s like a giant python which squeezes the life out of NZ while feeding on it and growing ever more powerful. It probably numbers about 30% of the population but its fingers on the levers of power give it so much more weight.

    These are the architects of co governance, electoral reform (gerrymandering etc) etc and despite their supposed independence almost always seem to favour the government of the day (along with their own financial or political aspirations). NZ today with its dramatic inequalities is a direct result of their influence in all the corridors of power.

    Time for Swiss style representation or something similarly democratic. Time to dislodge the ticks from the animal and restore it to full health.

    1. Nice analysis Piwakawaka, the PMC are a major issue in a bureaucratic economy, both public and private. Their inclination is to utilise technocratic method to seize control on “behalf” of the owners and populace. Tariq Ali warned us of this in the Extreme Centre. I’d describe it as Gramsci meets Machiaveli to deliver velvet glove despotism, delivered by MBA bearing corporate Jesuits.

      1. Thanks for that Nick, I wasnt aware of that book, will certainly check it out

  8. Fascinating commentary, especially the people from South Africa on the mess that was post colonial Africa at the front line of the Cold War. I don’t know enough to comment.

    I protested in 81, so for the benefit of those who weren’t there or weren’t yet born, it was NOT all about apartheid in South Africa. That was the focus but not everything. We had racism to address in NZ, still have. We had paternalism and authoritarianism that was becoming an intergenerational fight.

    One thing stood out. We the protesters were going to have our say and be heard, not shut down by the powers that be. We will be heard was the spirit of 81.

    Bringing us to last year’s protests at parliament it would seem that the lesson of 81 was forgotten by our government. They refused to hear the protests, whatever the protesters had to say, however whacky, was not just ignored. It was delegitimised, binned. With the refusal to engage a new precedent was set, protest did not need to be heard or addressed in our “democracy”. The spirit of 81 was put to bed, binned.

  9. Nice analysis Piwakawaka, the PMC are a major issue in a bureaucratic economy, both public and private. Their inclination is to utilise technocratic method to seize control on “behalf” of the owners and populace. Tariq Ali warned us of this in the Extreme Centre. I’d describe it as Gramsci meets Machiaveli to deliver velvet glove despotism, delivered by MBA bearing corporate Jesuits.

  10. Johan, Gramsci theorised Marxisms long march through the institutions, Machiaveli the ultimate amoral pragmatist.
    Today’s Masters of Business Administration are the direct inheritors of Loyola Jesuits who developed managerial methods.

    Hope that helps.

  11. The Covid vaccine is neither safe nor effective and should never have been mandated

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