Similar Posts

- Advertisement -

36 Comments

  1. The world “Labour” now carries a serious stigma that is associated solely with betrayal and failure.

    1. Tend to agree as a once but never again Labour voter. Hypocrisy and betrayal and failure and authoritarianism.

  2. The only success I see in a combination of Labour Greens and Maori Party is a success in changing a fair to middling economy into a complete disaster and with the wages and work that will be on display in Australia it will be the brains and the brawn going over the ditch .The only ones left will be the crimes who cannot get in and the old who they do not want.

    1. The brains and the brawn have been going to Aussie for years Trevor. Hell even Bill and John promised to close the wage gap with Aussie. Some will say that was a lie, others will say it was never achievable, others will say it was another election bribe by National(similar to tax cuts).
      If you take notice of the Greens or Maori party policies you will actually learn they want a better wage economy rather than the platitudes of the National party. At some point you need to recognize National were a disaster in this area.

    2. Tell you what, a LGM goverment, will have high wages, better health care, better working condition and a society focused on human need and well being, not profit.
      TIme rich pricks like you started paying more tax to stop homelessness.

      1. I would hazard a guess that I have paid more tax in my working life than you and have created more well paid jobs when I was self employed and as part of a growing company that I was part of for last 17 years .
        Homelessness has been worsened over the last few years. It was a weakness in Nationals last year’s but Labour have done little to solve it despite many promises . They have attempted to hide the problem by using motels and while that is better than a car it creates it own problems .
        My feeling is that as government have access to the cheapest money they should buy houses and rent them out at cheap rents that covered costs which would push those on the margins to sell and so the rents would move down . High rents are they biggest problem solve that and the rest will work itself out .
        NZ is a low wage country dragging in more tax will not solve problems just create them

        1. Actually Trevor the housing of the homeless came about by getting them off the streets during the first covid lockdown so it was never about “hiding” the problem as you suggest.I sincerely believe they are trying to get the homeless into housing by new builds alongside Kainga Ora.
          The other driver has been the year on year increase of migrants into the country without anything being done to match the population growth with property, infrastructure and employment. Hardly surprising we see more homelessness and more of virtually everything.
          I do like your suggestion of Government buying housing and renting cheaply in the shorter term until sufficient new builds are complete.

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-spends-22-million-on-housing-homeless-in-motels-during-lockdown/BFEGBT2UHOPJBBMMN3KHIVKJVY/

          1. I enjoy our exchanges. I think we both care about people but I see them finding a path to success under a National government and you see them getting there by a Labour one .We are both under no illusions that everything they do is without fault and done for other than helping those that need help .
            Having just survived covid I am glad of the fact we are in a country blessed with a good medical system .

          2. Wonderful to hear of your recovery and again I concur with everything you say. There does not need spite to get you perspective across. Go well Trevor.

        2. You do realise that tax pays for social services like health and education right?
          If we do not increase tax for rich pricks, our schools and hospitals are further starved of funding and our health system will become American-ised?
          National closed scores of hospitals in the 1990’s to pay for tax cuts for rich pricks like you? and you want more tax cuts?

    3. Even Don Brash urged the Natz in 2008 to raise NZ wages/salaries to try and match the aussies. So what did John Key do – borrowed $2bn and gave the rich tax cuts then invited the property speculators in to create his hillbilly rock star economy. Property prices doubled between 2012-2017. This is what Luxon and Natz are proposing for 2023 and with Act dictating financial policy NZ will be a cot case under NATZACT – 30% unemployment, 19% inflation.

  3. It doesn’t matter if Labour have a clear 100 day plan, no one will believe they’re capable of implementing it based on 6 years of ineptitude and these type of excuses.

    Think about it. Excuse 1. Didn’t expect this win in 2017 so apart from the achievements NZ First brought them, who also were no shoo in either, they achieved sweet FA.

    And they were definitely looking like a one term government prior to Covid. Recall the “year of delivery”? Cancelled! Recall NZ First were a “handbrake”? They weren’t as it turned out, timid Labour were!

    Excuse 2, they didn’t expect to win a majority in 2020. So once they did, they did next to nothing insofar as policy went. What the actual fuck? No handbrake excuses now!

    And to extrapolate that one more step, they surely can’t expect to win in 2023 so they’ll fail again and so why would anyone vote for a government like this who are so useless? They just don’t get it! They never will.

  4. Martyn if you are so sure that the tenderfoot politico is mincemeat and needs to wise up then yourself and the other guardians of democracy thinking and communicating out there, need to host a weekend workshop for the newbies that is run by the wise owls, and a month later there would be another run by those of the newbies who want to test themselves in getting their point over and seeing their projects carried out. after discussion as to difficulties, cost and outcome. They would listen to this excellent and humorous short tute on handling the media:
    https://ngataonga.org.nz/collections/catalogue/catalogue-item?record_id=303644

    Also other features like the idea at a meeting on priorities of bringing up an expensive investment by government after discussing a contested point like whether to have a new gardener’s shed and where it should be, people haven’t the heart to decide on whether a bomb laboratory is required or not after that and the chances are it will be approved. (I probably got that out of Yes Minister which is another thing for newbies to study, read and watch youtube. It isn’t a bag of wind – those writers spent a lot of time around pollies and their haunts and were not greenhorns themselves.)

    Serious measures:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making (this explains the proper way to use consensus for decision making and there is an image of a 2011 seated street crowd at an Occupy meeting, very different to my memory of the NZ circus.)

    Decision making – there needs to be a protocol on getting heard and not have an all-inclusive consensus but with disagreement noted, and briefly why. That’s so you can say I told you so later. And a time limit on holding forth. (MontyPython Example of meeting in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSO9OFJNMBA)

    Decisions need to be made on how decisions are to be made. Very important to go through basic five points. I wonder if everyone does this. And also that all briefing and background papers have been read and understood, there should be a run through as to the general understanding of what it’s all about, and the need for it.
    https://www.corporatewellnessmagazine.com/article/5-steps-to-good-decision-making

    It is required that a certain understanding of three-syllable jargon should have been obtained, but no-one should be embarrassed about asking for explanation but should note these in decipherable writing and not have to ask again, also all those who didn’t have the guts to ask.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision-making#Decision-making_techniques
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_decision-making
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple-criteria_decision_analysis
    Then there is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_worst_method

    A way of getting caught in theoretical methods is to spend too long thinking about the johari window but it helps to know about it and provided that practical thinking isn’t totally abandoned so you change to fit into a box then it can be illuminating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window

    There is so much to be learned about how to do things and why and whether it is a good idea – No why, Yes, to what level of investment and timing etc. Who says? And it would be very easy for newbies to be bamboozled by bureaucrats with uni training, who have never mingled much with the hoi polloi to whom they are going to administer the policy either helpful, just bearable or a coup de grace. If you are arguing with a technology titan you may feel that you’re a dwarf against a heavyweight. The overarching approach might be of that old saw – The wise old owl sat in the oak, The more he saw the less he spoke, The less he spoke the more he heard.

    However that is not what a politician is paid to do and why you should organise teaching and familiarisation sessions apart from anything that their Party sets up for them. And to which the newbies could come and be prepared to learn or go after lunchtime so that serious ones can get some practice at thinking and explaining, and feinting, and jabbing too.

    Give them some practice role-modelling, say empty-chair work to refine one’s ideas providing clarity for decision making. It might never have been used in NZ before and give us some renown and amusement from less innovative, thoughtful associates. https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/gestalt-therapy-the-empty-chair-technique/ Also get newbies to read further – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_Practice

  5. Continual recourse to centralised beaureaucratic structures is obviously neither forward-looking nor necessarily Green. Power to the people means widening democratic accountability not reducing it.

    Greens ought to have enough discrimination to prefer, for example, the Hokianga Health Services Trust model over the centralised Maori Health Authority. Green 3 waters would distribute infrastructure funding the way highways are funded – more public resource to areas with low rating income – and then let the local Councils and Maori assume responsibility.

    But no we’re going to get new PMC beaurocracies for this and they can’t be voted out. That’s neo-liberal – and typically Labour since the Rogernomics takeover.

    You know, between Bruce Jesson, Jane Kelsey, Moana Jackson, Geoff Park, Max Rashbrooke, Danyl McLachlan & Paul Fuemana there’s a deep, deep Green economic and political manifesto to fight this way of thinking. But is it enough to break the stranglehold of the PMC?

    You’d have to wonder. Danyl’s identified how self-consciously brainy, strategic, witty & well-groomed mightn’t these people are – so mightn’t they just co-opt such a manifesto and carry on their class accumulation of money and political power regardless?

    Definitely a shit sandwich – and not one to be contemplated only by some Greens, but by individuals in all political parties. The spicy relish is supplied by demands for conformist thinking across a range of triggering issues; hate speech, gender & sexuality, vaccine hesitancy etc.

    Yum!

  6. I would prefer a National Act coalition, than letting greens/Maori anywhere near power. The mess the woke would make would be catastrophic for NZ.

    Btw, I have voted labour all my life.

    Corey Humms brilliant post a week or so ago summed it up perfectly for me

    1. You do realise that National and ACT will impost USA style health, welfare and a Chinese style labour market?
      Permanently low wages for the rest of your life. How does that sound.
      Under Labour workers got decent payrises for the first time in 40-50 years. DO you want to take that away?

      1. Labours approach to the Health system will see us with many, many high paid consultants esp Earnest and Young types, a wonderful new Health Authority, replete with Koro designs and pro nouns, we will have wonderful Coms messaging and it will be the envy of ????? , until you go to book a GP appointment and find out your GP has retired and you have to wait four weeks to be seen, or you are discharged too early from your in patient psych ward into a holiday park. Such a perfect, politically correct health system but no staff! They have all left because of the pay and conditions….hint Andrew Little, the re-structure will achieve nothing but will cost a lot. Every sent on health should go to medical and allied staff, pharmaceutical and hospital equipment. A merge amount for the rest. ok for Andrew L who I understand went to a private hospital recently……
        It’s very unfortunate about minimum wages, but I think my best strategy would be to join Act or National and lobby hard to have this change. At least I know what I would get if I voted Act and they got in. Labour is sneaky and dishonest. I worked hard for them and donated a lot to them for last election and they kept a big part of their agender secret from voters and party members (of which I am one)

  7. Ah hah!
    An entirely new system of thought is needed, a system based on attention to people, and not primarily attention to goods. . . .
    E. F. Schumacher

  8. Another from E Schumacher https://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/small-is-beautiful.html

    That soul-destroying, meaningless, mechanical, moronic work is an insult to human nature which must necessarily and inevitably produce either escapism or aggression, and that no amount of ‘bread and circuses’ can compensate for the damage done –
    these are facts which are neither denied nor acknowledged but are met with an unbreakable conspiracy of silence-because to deny them would be too obviously absurd and to acknowledge them would condemn the central preoccupation of modern society as a crime against humanity.
    E. F. Schumacher

Comments are closed.