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  1. This is Trump cooperating with those who call the shots. Don’t for a minute imagine that US aggression would have been any less with Hillary as president, quite the reverse.
    D J S

    1. Interesting how some folk try to mitigate Trump’s aggression by deflecting to another person (in this case Clinton). So, as another poster pointed out, Trump might start a World war, but Clinton would’ve been worse by starting two world wars?

      Trump’s atom bomb will destroy a city. Clinton’s two atom bombs will destroy a city and the second one will scatter the radioactive dust from the first one. I fail to see the logic.

      1. Just referring her own rhetoric Frank . acknowledged is that Trump has failed to do any better in spite of his claimed intentions during the election. Whether this is because he never intended any different once in (power)? or whether he doesn’t really have control now seams moot.
        D J S

  2. Ah light slowly coming on. You should read about Obama and Clinton’s foul ups.

      1. If we are ever to understand US behaviour in the world we have to try to be objective in trying to analyse the ultimate source of decision making there . Part of that must be in noticing what changes come with changing “leaders” and what doesn’t change.
        D J S

      2. Dear Frank,

        Yes it is 2017. And yes Trump is president. However, all I was suggesting was as the light is slowly coming on re the disgusting things the US has done, then perhaps you folks should read about the dastardly deeds of Obama and the Clintons (as in Hilary and her hubby). Investigative journalists including Robert Parry and John Pilger, also Dr Paul Craig Roberts, Prof Stephen Cohen and Ron Paul amongst others have written extensively about their disgusting actions but the mainstream news media gave Obama and Clinton a free pass. Whatever these lovelies have done, has been ignored or even laughed at eg Obama re his drone programme; ” I’m good at killing folks’.or Clinton talking about Gaddafi “We came, we saw he died”
        Yes I think Trump is an idiot but Obama and Hilary Clinton have waged war in several countries and we thought everything was just fine…. until Trump came along. Hilary’s policies would have led to direct confrontation with Russia but yeah nah, that’s ok, it’s our Hilary. Bradbury’s comment “Trump is potentially more dangerous to the rest of the planet than any other President in American History” is more emotive than factual. Other presidents have been instrumental in the destruction of countries and the genocide of the populations. None more so than Obama and the Clintons. But hey, because these 2 have been the darlings of the MSM they have lived a charmed life, no matter what their dastardly deeds. And Frank just because you are ignorant of these past deeds, does not mean that the impact of such deeds eg the situation in the Middle East, is not being felt. And still, when Trump did bomb Syria, didn’t CNN et al cheer and say that was the first presidential thing he had done. Trump actually began his presidency with the stated aim of improving relations with Russia but the Democratic party’s hysteria over the totally false Russia-gate has prevented that coming to pass. Indeed Trump’s response to this airstrike may well have been an attempt to prove he wasn’t Russia’s bitch. Frank your response is silly and totally misses the point I was trying to make. But yeah, at least I’m allowed to comment on here now.

        1. “None more so than Obama and the Clintons.”

          Nonsense.

          You forget that the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq occurred under Bush, setting the scene for massive de-stabilisation of the Middle East. Obama inherited that mess from Bush, so your reference to Clinton and Obama, whilst conveniently omitting Bush, is disingenuous.

          Trump is also so pro-Israel that he might as well take out Israeli citizenship. At least Obama’s ‘parting shot’ at the Israeli regime was UN Security Council Resolution 2334, condemning illegal Zionist expansion into Palestinian territory.

          Take a moment to refresh your knowledge of recent history, Winifred.

          1. Frank, Frank. You really are a churlish, childish fellow. I would suggest you do so research. I have provided you with some mainstream reference points to begin with.

            Here is a link; https://www.poynter.org/2014/fact-checking-the-war-comparisons-between-obama-and-bush/272471/

            The thing is Obama won a nobel peace prize for his empty rhetoric. But yes he bombed and bombed. Clinton (both) also loved bombing – people. Please do some research so that you won’t show up as wilfully ignorant.

          2. Winifred/Ian – do you dispute the fact that ” the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq occurred under Bush”?

            You appear to support Republican administrations in the US. Does that extend to “Dubya’s” aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan?

        2. Your slavish devotion to Trump is noted Winifred/Ian.

          It is apparent that Trump cannot stand on his own record without his supporters deflecting to his predecessors.

          National does the same thing. When something goes wrong, Nat supporters point the finger at Labour (or beneficiaries, Maori, or the GFC).

          Feel free to pursue name-calling, Winifred/Ian. It changes nothing.

  3. yeah yeah…Trump did an airport because of the “babies” …but is he doing it again? ( is he learning?…is the gas story losing its gas?)

    ‘Mattis rejects mission creep in Syria as new chemical weapons threat alleged’

    https://www.stripes.com/news/mattis-rejects-mission-creep-in-syria-as-new-chemical-weapons-threat-alleged-1.475510#.WViF4BWGOpr

    ‘To avoid endless war in Syria, US deconflicts with Russia – Pentagon’

    https://www.rt.com/usa/394350-mattis-decofliction-line-russia/
    CrossTalk on Syria: Rushing to war?

    ‘CrossTalk on Syria: Rushing to war?’

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/393695-syria-iran-islamic-state/

    “With Islamic State seen to be on the defensive in Syria, many of the parties in the proxy war are eying the next stage of this conflict. As a result, Russia and the US are at odds. Is Washington’s strategic interest in Syria really Iran?

    CrossTalking with Alexander Mercouris, Richard Murphy, and Christopher Davidson.”

    ‘Bullhorns say it straight’

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/394062-war-syria-qatar-crisis/

    “On this edition of the program, we again focus on real news. This time: is the war in Syria escalating? If so, who is driving this? The latest in the Qatar-Saudi Arabia saga. And, as so many viewers have enjoyed, an extended version of the program.

    CrossTalking with Dmitry Babich, Alex Christoforou, and Mark Sleboda.”

    ( and of course Hillary would have done it worse .She wanted to bomb all of Assads airports…She called on Trump to do the bombing…Trump just took out one airport

    ‘Hillary Clinton called for Donald Trump to ‘take out’ Assad airfields hours before air strikes – ‘Prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop Sarin gas on them’ ‘

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-syria-air-strikes-chemcial-attack-airbase-cruise-missiles-tomohawks-a7671861.html

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-syria-assad/index.html )

    1. ‘Hillary Clinton called for Donald Trump to ‘take out’ Assad airfields hours before air strikes – ‘Prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop Sarin gas on them’ ‘

      Which he duly did after the alleged use of of sarin gas at Khan Shaykhun, and Trump launched 59 cruise missiles against Shayrat airbase.

      Without any evidence that Assad had been responsible. Not a shred.

      I have zero sympathy for dictators like Assad. Like others, I want him gone. But not because of an act that might have been caused by others, as I reported on 15 April;

      In a June 2013 story, the BBC reported on who was supplying the myriad ‘players’ in the Syrian conflict. One of the arms traffickers in the region was Saudi Arabia;

      In late 2012, Riyadh is said to have financed the purchase of “thousands of rifles and hundreds of machine guns”, rocket and grenade launchers and ammunition for the FSA from a Croatian-controlled stockpile of Yugoslav weapons.

      These were reportedly flown – including by Royal Saudi Air Force C-130 transporters – to Jordan and Turkey and smuggled into Syria.

      Note the link: Croatian-controlled stockpile

      Follow the link and it leads to a February 2013 story in the New York Times, which stated;

      Saudi Arabia has financed a large purchase of infantry weapons from Croatia and quietly funneled them to anti-government fighters in Syria in a drive to break the bloody stalemate that has allowed President Bashar al-Assad to cling to power, according to American and Western officials familiar with the purchases.

      The weapons began reaching rebels in December via shipments shuttled through Jordan, officials said, and have been a factor in the rebels’ small tactical gains this winter against the army and militias loyal to Mr. Assad.

      So, what sort of weapons was Croatia selling on the open market? Interrogate Google with the parameters ‘Yugoslavia Croatia chemical weapons’. It offers this April 1999 story in the UK Guardian;

      After months of prevarication, Nato launches a ground war against Slobodan Milosevic’s forces in Kosovo. But no sooner do British and US troops begin to move in and threaten Serb army units than Milosevic unleashes his secret weapons – sarin nerve gas and BZ, a psychochemical incapacitant.

      […]

      According to former Yugoslav chemical weapons officers, Milosevic’s arsenal is far larger than previously thought. Besides sarin and BZ, it includes the blister agent sulphur mustard and the choking agent phosgene. And it is thanks to scientists in Britain and the US that he could use them on Nato troops.

      […]

      In total, the Serb army may have as many as 5,800 122mm sarin-filled shells and 1,000 mustard gas shells, say these sources. In addition, Serbia is also known to have been developing a multiple rocket delivery system for sarin and a bomb capable of delivering 20 litres of the nerve gas to the battlefield.

      […]

      Even the Pentagon, which is sceptical about Croatian estimates of the numbers of chemical shells and rockets in the Serb arsenal, accepts that Milosevic inherited from the JNA a programme capable of producing a deadly 3,000 rockets filled with sarin and 100 shells filled with mustard gas.

      […]

      Although the Pentagon says it has no evidence that Serbia has continued to manufacture and test chemical weapons since the break-up of the Yugoslavia federation, officials told the New York Times they were ‘concerned’ about the stockpiles.

      The Pentagon would be right to be “‘concerned’ about the stockpiles“. Where would they end up?

      There is no proof that amongst the weapons purchased from Croatia there was included chemical weapons such as sarin gas. But the facts are clear;

      Former-Yugoslavia developed massive quantities of poison gas weapons, including sarin gas
      After the break-up of Yugoslavia, Croatia sold plane-loads of weapons to Saudi Arabia
      Saudi Arabia supports rebel forces in Syria
      Sarin gas was used in the gas attack on Khan Shaykhun

      It is all circumstantial, of course. But it seems plausible that Saudi Arabian military/intelligence agents could have transported sarin gas shells/rockets to Idlib Governorate where, under close supervision, they were launched against a defenceless city.

      The plan was simple; to provoke a politically unsophisticated, naive, and impressionable Donald Trump into military retaliation by blaming the attack on the Syrian regime.

      […]

      Of course, Trump gave his explanation for changing his mind;

      “ Using a deadly nerve agent, Assad choked out the lives of helpless men, women and children. It was a slow and brutal death for so many. Even beautiful babies were cruelly murdered in this very barbaric attack. No child of God should ever suffer such horror.”

      Trump added;

      “When you kill innocent children, innocent babies, little babies… that crosses… many lines.”

      ref & links: https://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/trumpwatch-one-minute-closer-to-midnight-on-the-doomsday-clock/

      1. Who cares what you want Frank. Your ignorance about Assad shines clearly. Do some work Frank and stop relying on MSM or Soros funded NGOs as your main source of ‘news.’ The Syrian people want him there. He would have been gone long ago if he had no support.

        Western views based on Western news. Try reading alternative media. Oh that’s right you are alternative media. Or supposed to be.

        Winifred Kiddle

        [Ian, watch your ad hominems please. You are close to being banned. – Scarletmod]

        1. Ian, it’s fairly obvious you did not read my post above. Very obvious.

          It’s not what “I want”, it’s what the people of Syria are having to endure. According to Amnesty International;

          Saydnaya Prison is where the Syrian state quietly slaughters its own people.

          Every week, often twice per week, between 20 and 50 people are taken from their cells to be hanged, in the middle of the night. As many as 13,000 people have been killed in Saydnaya since 2011, in utmost secrecy. Many other people at Saydnaya have been killed after being repeatedly tortured and systematically deprived of food, water, medicine and medical care. The bodies of those who are killed at Saydnaya are taken away by the truckload and buried in mass graves. It is inconceivable that these large-scale and systematic practices have not been authorized at the highest levels of the Syrian government.

          ref: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/08/syria-torture-prisons/

          So unless you consider Amnesty International “MSM or Soros funded NGOs”, you might want to reconsider your support for a blood-stained despot.

          As for my information-sources, as I keep reminding people, I use a variety of sources.

          Now, re-read my post above as to who the actual culprit *may* have been in the Sarin Gas attack.

  4. We should leave the Arabs alone to sort their shit out their way chaps.

    we have so much shit at home to deal with and the war in the gulf will go non with or without us all.

    That’s the way it is in the gulf and we should pack up and leave.

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