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    1. errr… i’m not a lawyer, but i’m pretty sure all legal counsel will tell you that is a shit defence.

  1. WINZ/MSD need to be abolished and replaced with a LIVEABLE Universal Basic Income, tough on social welfare ideologues are empowered by a resentful middle class who pay taxes yet don’t ‘get anything’ because of means testing and other conditions, thus painting beneficiaries as this undeserving ‘other’.

  2. MSD is out of control and one example of how we have no control over the way the country is run. The government has been turned into a system of self-governing agencies. There are instructions, documents setting out what they should do. Presumably they set some level of behaviour but after that the politician and any other person supposedly responsible can be bypassed and only bad outcomes can result in pressure brought to bear on the agencies’ memes. The system broke quite a while ago and how do we fix it.

    I remember the old age pensioner in Northland I think who couldn’t get satisfactory answers from social welfare to his questions. So he set off in his motorised buggy from home to the office. There have been other notable disastrous occasions what should have resulted in cleaning out of the Augean stables.

    We must note this behaviour because it reflects the dominant behaviour that will continue as we become more controlled by technology and are less socialised to be humans and use our human brains to control
    and promote our own positive lives. If we want to be proud of being a hu

    The PTB are screwing us and diminishing us and we need to avoid the prosperity church and excessively moral approach or the prime way to succeed is to have everything – the materialist way. I don’t know if we are up to it but people who can talk to each other and discuss our society and ourselves is a good start. But we have to notice what goes on and work out the reason for it. We lack an accepting way to others in society, and getting worse at understanding and caring about others and believing that everyone has gifts, and may need help to be a full person – instead people are judged losers or drop-out dads or sleazy sexy solo irresponsible mums (which seems to be a chronic approach to blameworthy mothers who haven’t organised their fertility effectively).

    I think we have to set up ‘intentional communities’ and watch that they don’t develop into woke centres, social dictatorships with a few dominant personalities demeaning others’ individual autonomy and depressing ideas (maybe tending towards Centrepoint – (note stuff writing item – should be read by all and not criticised as poor choice of journalism) or the Amish idea as adopted by Gloriavale (see USA Jones , Waco, etc. but not just in USA) where people are encouraged to aim for an idea of purity and easily cowed because few can achieve the standard). In this way we can support each other and reduce the interaction with MSD and have a general advocate to help with their depredations.

  3. New Zealand already has capital gains taxes, inheritance taxes, asset taxes and wealth taxes. They just apply to those on MSD/WINZ benefits.

  4. Grant reckons the winter energy payment was enough welfare for low income families, who won’t receive the cost of living payment. But doesn’t that mean that the government now gives welfare to everyone, so essentially the baseline poverty levels must have stayed the same, or if the middle class now need welfare then things must have gotten much worse for low income households?

  5. I ask myself – do we have to bite the bullet and vote for Mana or NZ First or ? if we don’t want to vote for Labour, Greens or National or Fascist lite. Sure bad things will happen but these lumpenpoliticians need to get off their lazy arses and find some of their old values they have left out in the damp garage. Open up the trunk, haul the instructions and papers and declarations out, dry them off in fresh air, scrape the mould off them, and build a better house of cards.

    Nothing can be firm and solid these days but we can live in treehuts built on the plantations of foreign owners for peppercorn rentalsm ready to reshape everything with changing circumstances. Just let us get on with living Labour and you take a break and do some thinking. We will get on just as well without your pathetic posturing thought up by people who are social contortionists turning themselves and us inside out (ooh it hurts) and who should hire themselves out as busking performers.

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