The very very very worst thing you can do to Gangs is radicalise them and give them righteous grievance
A prominent Mongrel Mob president claims National’s gang policies are devastating, a breach of their human rights, and will create a “psychological war”.
Speaking exclusively to the Herald, Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom leader Sonny Fatupaito said after reading up on the proposals, he believes they will cause chaos.
“I think that punishing everybody actually feels like it’s a prison.”
He said the dispersal notice policy, which would give police power to hand out seven-day public non-association orders to those they suspect are in gangs, would prevent people from attending tangihanga, birthdays and other events they should have a right to be at.
Here’s my fear with National’s crackdown on Gangs.
The first is that they won’t work.
Banning Patches in public, using dispersion powers, implementing non association orders and increased powers for warrantless searches all sound tough to a public who are frightened and tired and resentful of feeling intimidated but won’t do a bloody thing in terms of curtailing Gangs because it fundamentally misses why there has been a jump in gangs and gang violence in the first place.
More of that in a moment.
The second thing I fear is that it starts feeling like persecution.
I know.
You are laughing. You don’t care if Gangs feel persecuted by the Police.
“Great”, you will scream, and all laugh at how I’ve managed to sound woker than woke.
“Bomber fears the Gangs will feel persecuted’ you laugh.
Hear me out.
When you start abusing the power of the State in the manner we are all cheering for against the Gangs you risk radicalising criminals and that is the last fucking thing you want to do in any country!
Look at how the radicalisation of the Parliament Lawn Protestors has metastasized into the dangerous cocktail of resentment that has become.
Imagine putting those pressures on violent organised criminals.
Of course organised crime needs to be challenged at all times by the Police, but what we are doing here is implementing bumper sticker policy that will only cause counter productive outcomes as opposed to smarter Policing.
Hand on heart I don’t think National MPs could tell you what is the difference between the Mongrel Mob, Mongols, Head Hunters, Black Power or Comancheros and that’s deeply concerning because they all have completely different reasons for existence and attempting to tackle the most glaringly apparent elements of gangs with laws that breach human rights will only radicalize those communities.
The problem we have right now with gangs is the unprecedented forced deportation of the 501 criminal elements from Australia who have unleashed a tsunami of violent gang take overs because they are prepared to use a level of violence and sophistication far in advance of the domestic gangs.
These 501 syndicates are using their contacts with South American Cartels to import a purer, cheaper Meth and it is this turf war for the Meth trade that is shaping the current violence.
Police gaining powers to harass and intimidate the poorest members of this crime pyramid with powers that breach human rights will only radicalise that community.
Look at this.
…what that arsehole Simeon Brown never points out is that the $2.75million given to the Mongrel Mob came from the proceeds of crime fund! It wasn’t taxpayer money, it was the proceeds of crime that was paying for drug rehabilitation programmes because that is how you move the community Gangs like Black Power and Mongrel Mob away from crime.
This is the exact type of programmes you want to run.
Where the Gang Intelligence should be focused is on the 501 syndicates because their connection to South American Cartels is legitimately destabilising and dangerous.
Nothing National are suggesting has any connection to reality beyond ZB talking points.
Back to the Gang Patches ban in public.
Patched members are never allowed to hand over their patch so Police will need to beat the gang member unconscious to remove the patch.
When the next Gang tangi occurs after the patch ban, Luxon will have to demand the Police go in and take the patches which will require a heavily armed Police response that will immediately deteriorate into a shoot out.
Can Luxon demand that? Of course he can’t!
The Police Commissioner will tell Mark Mitchell and the PM to go fuck themselves when they demand that they move in because this is a liberal progressive democracy and the Police don’t do the bidding of the politicians!
No Police Commissioner in their right mind would risk that many Police Officers to take patches off gang members at a bloody funeral!
As the impotency of National’s gang patch ban gets highlighted and as their increased Police powers start to get challenged in Court as a breach of human rights, an increasingly frustrated National will start seeking more and more extreme measures in a never ending pissing competition led by hard men like Mark Mitchell and Simeon Brown against da gangs.
If NZ First get to designate gangs as domestic terrorists we are just in uncharted crazy land.
We don’t need harder policing, we need smarter policing because this cavalcade of tough on crime short on facts crap is going to cause far more damaging blowback.
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Another gang leader said the ban may help members to break away from the influence of the gang by giving them an excuse.
The hands off treatment has lead to the gangs gain in power and prestige .The police in Australia have got the upper hand by being tough we have nothing to lose. The fact many gang members are maori has been behind the soft approach
Sorry Trevor, but Australias war on bikies is failing and has actually increased their numbers and has caused their spread into NZ, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, and Malaysia. Note also that Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia all have the death penalty. Also I think you will find that poverty is a bigger reason for joining gangs than race. The “war” on drugs and gangs is a failure, emulating Australia and the U.S. will achieve nothing.
https://unherd.com/2023/03/australian-drug-kings-have-gone-global/
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/aussie-bikies-invade-asia-gangs-on-overseas-recruiting-drives/news-story/72076e407345e8b0661a9d21f655aa73
Your article is I teresti g but it does say the gangs have been hit hard by Australian laws which is why they need to expand out of Australia. Instead the NZ police were not I blowed in the conference which says a lot about our current police chief and Labour’s approach to these people
While your ideas are sensible you only need a few rednecks like Frank the Tank & his “Was sticking up for gangs and ram raiders worth it?” slogans that are not based on reality which then get amplified by a biased MSM & swallowed in bulk by an ignorant population to destroy any chance of a solution that will benefit the whole community. Obviously, there seems to be a majority of people who are happy to ignore the conditions (civil rights) of others (see your food bank article) as long as they get their needs met & are happy to live in blissful ignorance of the fact that their privilege is the major cause of dissatisfaction in society that drives people to gangs, drugs, etc.
No troll they weren’t and if you want people to rehabilitate you have to have money to do it, he said the money came from the proceeds of crime isn’t that what this money should be for. Now I have just been to a tangihanga, and gang members were present if the Police came in and tried to take patches of the members all hell would have broken lose and there was women and children at this tangihanga. Also, the person who passed was not a gang member. But I can tell you those of us that are not gang members would not be on the side of the police if they choose to act like this, we would be telling them to piss of. You can choose your friends, but you can’t choose your whanau.
No troll they weren’t and if you want people to rehabilitate you have to have money to do it, he said the money came from the proceeds of crime isn’t that what this money should be for. Now I have just been to a tangihanga, and gang members were present if the Police came in and tried to take patches of the members all hell would have broken lose and there was women and children at this tangihanga. Also, the person who passed was not a gang member. But I can tell you those of us that are not gang members would not be on the side of the police if they choose to act like this, we would be telling them to piss of. You can choose your friends, but you can’t choose your whanau.
The $2.75mill was from the proceeds of crime fund but that’s for victims of crime not the perpetrators.