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  1. Chris, Don Brash says this whole event has been blown out of proportion & even Audrey Young, (the Herald’s right wing political journo) says that Kirton shouldn’t resign, so why are you placing yourself along side Hoskings & his second wife?

    1. Yes we now have the triple H’s right wing nutties writing in the Herald,Hooten,Hosking and Hawkesby. The N.Z. Herald, proudly sponsored by the National party.

  2. Why can’t it just be the honest answer? That Andrew Kirton took the advice of a sexual assault survivors group that told him that keeping the news of the (alleged) sexual assaults limited to as smaller group as possible was in the best interests of those who were (allegedly) sexually assaulted.

    1. The problem with your idea is that what you propose wouldn’t be an honest answer. Kirton himself said
      “Kirton said the decision to take this “victim-led approach” was based on the Labour Party’s and Young Labour’s internal processes for dealing with these sorts of incidents. It was not based on advice from experts.” This from
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102237347/second-sexual-assault-allegation-surfaces-for-labour-party
      The people you are talking about were not contacted until about three weeks after the assaults occurred. Indeed one may wonder just why they were involved at such a late stage except to try and provide a cover for Kirton’s actions and an excuse for his choice. Did he talk to any other such organisation?

  3. if we followed that line mr trooter gnats would have had to sack most of their party so incompetent were they even after 9 years.

  4. You see, the thing is many people out there consider this to be some big scandal but the reality is it changes nothing. Swing voters like myself couldn’t care less – ‘it’s the economy stupid’!

    The only people who think this is a scandal are snow fakes riding high off the American #MeToo movement and harden National supporters who probably turned a blind eye to the Roast Busters.

    People like myself, who have an internet connection will continue ignoring NZ’s now tabloid styled media and continue voting for parties who want real reforms regarding housing and cannabis.

    Parties such as TOP, ALC and yes .. ACT. A 20 year old putting his hands down teenage girls’ pants – kool … political story ? bro, chur.

  5. Admittedly Andrew Kirton did not handle the camp alleged sexual assault very well at all. With hindsight, it will be something he will be fully aware of now.

    However, he is the general secretary of Labour, not police, or a counsellor experienced at handling issues such as this, so was walking in unfamiliar and very sensitive territory as far as his job is concerned. Kirton did what he considered his best in a difficult situation where he was right out of his depth, while also trying to keep within the law at the same time. Something no doubt most of us would do, given the same circumstances.

    Given all that, I think Kirton deserves some slack here.

  6. Upon learning of the youth wing of the Labour Party’s failure to keep four young people in its care safe, he decided not to alert their parents; not to alert the Police; and not to alert the leader of his party: The Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern.

    Yes because doing so against the wishes of the victims causes even more damage to the victims.

    This is the advice he got and he acted on it thus it can be determined that he acted appropriately – which is more than can be said of you.

  7. May I be so bold as to suggest that it’s possibly not in the best interests of the victims for this to become a highly public scandal? You can see why Kirton might try to handle this delicate personal situation with some gentle discretion?

  8. If this had happened to me when I was 16 there would have been no way I would have wanted my parents or the police to be informed. Having the general secretary of the labour party call up to check on me would be odd and smack of the party just trying to smooth things over. I can’t speak for the victims but I know if that had happened to me then I would much rather just talk to the people who were running the camp at the time.
    Maybe Andrew Kirton actually just had the victims interests at heart???

  9. I’ve seen rumblings online about Clark Gayford and an emirates flight. When will that story come out in our “democratic state, with a free media”.

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