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  1. That graph is stark. Our family personally know 5 in the last 15 years 3 of whom were guys under 25. Over my whole life its 9. Two of which could be considered copying.

    Don’t talk about it in the news because there is an academic work about social contagion in a Pacific Island village. But it’s evident from our lives social contagion or copy cat suicide is prevalent anyway so shouldn’t a ‘sudden death’ and its reasons be newsworthy and talked about? When it is talked about its the individuals depression or bullying or lack of “resilience”. It’s never loneliness or finances or unemployment or society not providing the person a legitimate role or loser culture or loss of children or stupid 27 club or guilt or sexual abuse or societal shame or no religion prohibiting it.

    1. I have only distantly known a few people who committed suicide & it always bugged me afterward that maybe I should have made more effort to know them. We live in a society where it is considered normal to not care about people you don’t know & that continually exalts successful people (sport, wealth, academics) so it is easy to see how people who are struggling can feel alone which is obviously the very worst way for them to be.

  2. Neo Liberalism is and has been a long term slowly building project by the usual suspects and many devious and morally corrupt policies have been installed to deliberately undermine men’s role in work and society to
    grind away at the financials of the male workforce to lower wages and increase company profits. A whole tranche of men’s privileges enjoyed by many generations have gone by design to keep the man down and his income especially. I believe the usual suspects having successfully achieved their goals many years ago have been targeting women in recent years for the same purposes.

  3. 90% of suicide is caused by hopelessness. Housing hopelessness to be more accurate. Some ppl collect houses, the government makes them much richer, they are forever protected, someone who just wants one home is held down through higher rents. Trust me, the only thing that has ever made me slightly consider ending it all has been because I cannot get into my own home. The threat and actuality from being thrown out of my rental is crushing, I need my dog with me as he is the only thing that gets me through. Landlords don’t want dogs. Obviously, landlords don’t even want me, they just want my money. Now we have a man with a $16 million property portfolio promising to make landlords lives much more fruitful, which means crushing my “type” further. Its hard. Especially when you know that they don’t care. They don’t care if I do the deed. They just want more money for themselves and they don’t care who gets destroyed. That is not their problem. If I go they will be getting “ahead” that little bit further. The current greed psychopathy of the top 50% makes NZ and most of the world now a horrible place to be…. and yes, Labour was just as bad, if not worse. We need an dramatic and massive revolution to turn the system on its head. Let them feel how we feel so they can finally see…

  4. We need to fix the root causes of suicide, not use the stats to plow millions of public funds into the so-called ‘mental health’ industry.

  5. This woke post modern society doesn’t value men or anything masculine.
    It’s that simple.

    1. It’s people with set minds who can’t be bothered about others and produce knee-jerk opinions about troubling statistics that are a large part of the problem.   Like yours kcco.   Nothing is simple for humans and unfortunately if anyone thinks it is, then they have not delved into the matter, understood, really talked with people who aren’t coping with life.

      I like Janis Ian’s At Seventeen about being young, unsure, isolated, not secure in oneself.  Feelings – not hopeful about finding an enjoyable way of life, too much reliance on props such as drugs, not resilient to the vagaries of life and remaining reasonably cheerful, not inclined to take things to heart, imagine negativity from others.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENJFvy3FUOY

    2. So why is it at a similarly high *rate* to what it was in the mid-to-late 80s? Was society “woke” back then too?

  6. Emile Durkhiem’s seminal work on anomie and suicide has an obvious application in the current NZ context.
    As another message on here has already alluded to the impact of social contagion is the major risk associated with the open discussion of suicide – there has been a copy-cat impact identified in the research suggesting that more open and explicit discussion of suicide INCREASES the rate of suicide in that community – I know it seems counter-intuitive, but this is what research sometimes uncovers

  7. Yes, it was. They called it political correctness. And they didn’t like free speech either

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