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  1. The fact the planet is warming is not really debatable, whether it was man or whether man can now influence global warming is more the issue.

  2. The fact the planet is warming is not really debatable, whether it was man or whether man can now influence global warming is more the issue.

    1. The old “you can’t fix it anyway” argument.
      Yeah, that one comes up around the about the same time as “more carbon dioxide is beneficial to growing stuff”.

      The only debates worth having now are about:
      * how do we get action, fast
      * what are the most effective actions

      Kyoto was 25 years ago, 25 years – get real. No impact here in NZ? Insurance payouts for weather related damage from 1980-1997 was $236m, from 1998-2015 was $1,168m and that’s from just a bit over one degree of warming. Tim Grafton from Insurance Council of NZ is predicting annual payouts of $1.6bn.

  3. The University of Auckland is business-as-usual institution, fully committed to rendering the Earth uninhabitable in a matter of decades for the sake of a few dollars more now. Like most institutions in NZ, it is rotten to the core -‘burn more coal’ Chris de Freitus and all that.

    These are truly fascinating times, as everything predicted decades ago comes to fruition, and institutionalised inertia and denial of reality continue to reign supreme.

    Arctic ice cover is not just the lowest ever for the time of year but has actually declined when it would normally be increasing rapidly!

    https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

    And the atmospheric carbon dioxide level is at a record high and rising like never before, of course, since fossil fuel addition is promoted throughout most of the world.

    Daily CO2
    November 16, 2016:  404.70 ppm
    November 16, 2015:  400.43 ppm
    Up 4.27 ppm date-to-date.

    Oh well, it’s ‘only’ the future of the next generation that is at stake, so why worry when there is short-term money to be made out of operating scams?

    Denial of reality will probably be possible for as much as another 3 years, after which everything, including the University of Auckland start to go kaput.

  4. Well, the lesser evil seems to have done better with the popular vote than first thought:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-popular-vote-trump-2016-election-231434

    “Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote over President-elect Donald Trump has surpassed 1 million, according to Dave Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

    As the final vote counts continue to trickle in a week after Election Day, Wasserman’s tally found that Clinton had 61,963,234 votes to Trump’s 60,961,185 as of Tuesday afternoon.

    Wasserman tweeted that votes from Montgomery County, Maryland, pushed Clinton’s lead over the 1-million mark, with the Democratic nominee receiving roughly 20,000 more votes, compared to about 3,000 for Trump.

    Votes are still being tabulated in California, Utah and Washington, according to Tracy Lewis, elections operations manager for the Associated Press. The result in Michigan remains too close to call.”

    We are getting a fossil fuel defending President Trump instead of perhaps a lesser evil president who may at least have stuck to some of what Obama already committed to.

    Indeed, I am worried about where the journey is going, because if the US opt out of signed agreements, others may choose to also slacken off in their efforts.

    What was agreed in Paris was anyway a minimalistic kind of “achievement”, in my view.

    1. Clinton may have paid lip service to concerns about climate change, but she is in the pocket of the same financial industry that is funding fossil fuel exploration and extraction. She said nothing critical about the Dakota Access Pipeline, let alone supportive of the direct action against it. I could go on. Electing her would have been no better in terms of real action on reducing carbon emissions than electing Trump.

  5. “to join a global movement to stigmatize the fossil fuel industry in light of their blasé attitude to wrecking the planet”

    How un-wow can you get?

    Was nothing useful learned from the wars with words in various delightful venues, conducted by the good, great, and temporary in various public services? Rio. Tokyo. Missed targets. Thick politicians and venal lobbyists for lazy industries.

    A ‘war’ is a stupid diversion of creative energy, synergy, people, and practical responses. I thought we learned that a long time ago.

    Someone did a blight on the first poster – yet he’s right. Whether people can now mitigate/reverse or support rapid adaption to global warming is more the issue.

    If McCutcheon’s market is with the ‘No ‘T’isn’t’ people – there it is.

    Meanwhile – there are other places of learning which have said, ‘We see our future in the development of responses and initiatives. We’ll organise ourselves to team in a different way for getting ethical income streams.’ They could be worth your money and attendance.

    McCutcheon’s choice is actually okay. Remember – the last iceman always makes money in the short term.

    If you need to snap at someone – try our useless government with its ‘competitive model’ for science and research funding. They’ve learned NOTHING since Muldoon and his ‘picking winners.’ They’ve starved innovation and made foraging for income a higher priority than learning and doing.

    PS – if you prefer word wars, please continue. You can’t change a belief by force, though.

    Otherwise, please consider a course of study that pitches you into collaboration and co-operation with colleagues from across the world to find out, invent, investigate, and generally behave in practical ways to see if we can continue as a species, despite our inherent stupidity.

  6. I’m glad to see this post generating discussion. Andrea, evidently words without actions often are next to fruitless, but divestment is undoubtedly an action. We, not the fossil fuel industry, have control over whether we invest in that industry. Shareholder engagement with the industry has a terrible record (see: https://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2013/05/29/why-shareholder-engagement-fossil-fuels-companies-wont-work ). As such, divestment is a practical step which will speak louder than words alone as the movement spreads more and more. A quarter of UK universities have now made divestment commitments ( https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/over-quarter-uk-universities-divest-fossil-fuels ).

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