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  1. As soon as I heard they were trying to roll up all of the hospital boards, water boards and technical colleges into one big organisation, alarm bells went off in my head — this seemed to be a clear step towards privatisation for all of them.

    As Chris points out, it is far too convenient that the elected officials are now out of the picture (even abolishing elections in the process, in the case of the hospital boards!)

    The question is whether people will actually get angry enough to do anything about it. Right now there are no resisters to organise — the country as it is simply looks like a lost cause, for the time being anyway.

  2. That is a fine dissection of 3Waters Mr Trotter. Most Kiwis of all races / peoples have anything to gain from more privatisation. And from a race relations view they have everything to lose. A brave government would shelve this and He Puapua in favour of policies that give the poor of Aotearoa, of all races better life’s.

  3. Nothing the woke agenda for 3 waters / 5 Waters /changing Waters has given me any interest in centralising water control – the government has my thumbs down vote for being able to manage anything important – they are just as bad or worse than the councils. Better to have it decentralised and at least people can move away from poor decisions from councils – rather than be everyone being forced down some bizarre folly – like intensive building of housing in flood zones.

    The government can give money to councils for infrastructure they don’t have to take over the councils with non democratic bureaucrat 3 waters.

    Remember the furore over the Karakia at the council, under woke, nobody is allowed to get down to business without some grandstanding prayer meeting being the focus and cries of racism every 5 minutes, derailing democratically elected officials. Only going to get worse with co governance and a two tiered justice system, health system, water system, education system. Every time the woke take over, it is a disaster aka schools and cult like Mātauranga Maori.

    Gang leader argues seized land with links to money laundering has cultural significance
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-leader-argues-seized-land-with-links-to-money-laundering-has-cultural-significance/H422QU43JHB5UB7QFM6RNWCLGM/

    Dome Valley Dump, have a look at what a handful of iwi has done to democracy.

    Central government taking over housing and planning intensification, and it’s never been so bad for housing. Government spent a fortune on woke / right wing /co governance / Te reo / and created a grandiose head count of managers and consultants wherever they go, that funny enough, has failed to provide affordable housing – especially for Maori. The opposite – if someone opens their door some gang member might stab them over a cigarette!

    Government leading with ideology and shutting down the community with housing has been a disaster for everyone and especially those they set out to help. 3 Waters is exactly the same, but worse, because water is even more necessary.

    When the government knocks on anybodies door with a grandiose idea for how their superior knowledge and ideology of woke is going to transform in the next century for billions of dollars, don’t answer. Especially if you are poor!

    Likely to lose that cheaper, nicer, private rental and grow up in a one room hotel with drug dealers and socially unacceptable people next door, harassing you. Again, remember don’t open your door as the scum seem to be expanding with all the enablement. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/woman-refuses-neighbour-cigarette-stabbed-23-times-and-left-for-dead/YAWSCIQGZZBAXPYAN435KLAHO4/

    Not sure where all the homeless are going to live now, woke ministers have already filled up the emergency hotels with former state house land privatised and hastily pushed through intensifications built by private interests that don’t really seem to be working out very well. $700,000 Kainga ora houses while importing poverty families on minimum wages – how quick is that going to bankrupt NZ?

    Without every bothering to clean up their last disaster (housing) the woke, move on to the next money trap, kinda like the right wingers.

  4. What a load of bollocks and patronizing to suggest Maori are dumb enough to sell our countries water (that nobody owns but council sell permits to foreigners to fill bottles) to a private company. Just more scaremongering.

  5. I don’t like your sneaky little dig at the ACT Party Chris. I don’t think you have any justification for your question that they would privatise water, because they have favoured private ownership in other areas. ACT look like the only honest poiiticians at present, so I hope Seymour will lay that possibility to rest.

    1. The ACTors would definately sell their grandmother but that would long after they gave away the water to overseas hedge funds.

    2. Holy sh*t Nicholas, you have zero idea what act actually stand for. Of course they would privatise it.
      The party was started by reichard prebble and roger douglas ffs. The architects of the great sell off of the 80’s and traitors to this country.

  6. One thing I have found _extremely_ confusing about all this coverage is the constant references to the ‘National Iwi Leaders Forum’.

    The actual organization seems to be called the ‘National Iwi CHAIRS Forum’, even though its subgroups, like the Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group, generally have ‘Iwi Leaders’ in their names (as does its Facebook URL). And it doesn’t seem to be registered as a corporation or a charity. What is it actually supposed to be called? Is the National Iwi Chairs Forum pushing this or only the Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group? Why does media not care about questions this obvious?

    It has various working groups that seem to mainly be chaired by corporate Maori types but also Mike Smith. How genuinely representative is this organization? Does it have any hard men from the likes of Tuhoe who would fight hard on behalf of Maori, and the rest of us, against privatization? How is it funded? Why is it seemingly not incorporated?

  7. It has been completely obvious from the start that 3 waters is a sham. The idea of rolling 130 councils into undemocratic “entities” ie corporations is the corporatisation prelude to privatisation. Fool me once, no doubt they will attempt to fool me again.

    Seems to me that locally owned water supplies have worked pretty well for 150 years. And Ministry of Works bridge and dam building worked pretty well for 100 years. The country tried a new idea(ology) it now needs to accept it didnt work.

    If (and its a big if) the country needs upgraded water supply and drainage systems then it can easily be funded by low cost govt bonds and developer levies.

    If there are issues around city storm water pollution, dairy run off and industrial pollution then regulate the quality standard over time and ensure enforcement.

  8. It’s been fairly obvious for a while that 3/5 waters has nothing to do with race and everything to do with elitism. The old trick of dividing people who have far more in common with each other than not is a timeless political tactic.

  9. Thanks for your reckons chris, but as you will well know, Auckland’s water was well on the way to privatising its water before the last National govt lost, under Hides direction.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hide-opens-door-to-privatised-water-deals/QOC2ZFBJWSZ7YT22BFQYAO3R4A/
    Water resources are not protected under council ownership.
    As for your concerns about ‘elite maori capitalists’, I sincerely doubt that co governance is anything but an impediment to privatisation.
    It was mooted that a high threshold for parliamentary vote be required for the selling of water assets- but this was mysteriously dubbed a constitutional night mare, despite being, a bloody good idea and long overdue.
    This should be required across the board for publicly owned assets.
    IK can’t help feeling Chris, that you have become a voice for a sort of controlled opposition. Over the years I have observed you undermining left leaning parties, and playing up the fears and catch cries of the right.

    This idea that Maori will sell water is ludicrous.

    I’m with minto on this one mate. We should proceed with 3 waters, but yes, we need to build in protection against privatisation.

    You seem to have failed to understand that councils in general have failed to manage the problem and do not have the leverage necessary to fix it. You failed to mention the model was suggested by scottish water experts, not S&P.
    You have not acknowledged that local councils are far democratic and prone to nepotism and deals for their mates.
    Local councils are happy to treat rivers as ‘drains’ and refer to them as such.

    Your generation has failed to invest in future generations, and allowed infrastructure to crumble. Unfortunately, drastic action is now necessary.

  10. No one understands three waters – only hear from racist Natz and Act. All we read are racist comments from ignorant uneducated right wing tories. Labour should just pass it and everyone will forget about it especially after the recent weather events.

    1. Why don’t you go and advise Labour Nikorima? You don’t seem too good at discussing ways, means, outcomes and net profit and disadvantages and moral uncertainties. NZ Labour have gone there already and will open their arms to you perhaps though would like you better with some experience in Brit’s Labour machine.

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