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  1. In general, I have to agree Martyn, although I think TOP are mostly left leaning would-be Labour voters. I know a couple and they’re stereotypical hipsters.

  2. NZ First will hoover votes away from ACT .
    As you say the Natz and ACT need to rule him out quicksmart.

    The election will be the ‘wokealls’ against the …’yokels’.
    Labour have squandered their mandate.The average voter has NFI about 3 waters and co governance is a guaranteed vote loser.

    1. Seymour is trying to rule him out by way of a Shane Jones donations for favour enquiry. Desperate times for Seymour and ACT.

  3. The Labeen and NZ First coalition was the best out of a bad bunch. That is because they cancelled each other out so that the worst excesses of the woke and right wingers were not enacted.

    Sadly now NZ First is out, Labeen are in their echo chamber of cancelling everything, education, freedom of speech, pro anything criminal to be funded, research, health etc in NZ to be race based not on merit, put committees of woke everywhere cancelling Shakespeare, biological woman, language and anything that they can’t understand or don’t like.

    I don’t want the Natz back, don’t want Labeen back and don’t like Shane Jones…. maybe first year will not vote.

    If NZ First cancel Shane Jones then NZ First will def make over 5%, might for the first time ever, vote NZ First as a protest to NZ’s high needs, totally dependant, terror/criminal immigration policy.

  4. Correct, NZ First is reaping deepening resentment toward Labour and will take votes from them and voters who loath National and ACT, would never vote Greens and want to spend their vote without wasting it. A fair bit of the infrastructure work going on, like rail, is purely because of NZ First. We now all know Labour could run a piss up in a brewery. They are the marketing dept, without the engineering dept in support!

    3 waters is interesting in that is like a slow burning tyre mountain fire. Jacinda is for her own reasons beholden to the Maori caucus but knows implementing it will end her government, forthwith. So it sits, indecision abounds, not going away nor going anywhere, just smouldering. She has painted herself into a corner. Same with co-governance, only that is 3 waters, on steroids with afterburners. And that reeks of hidden agendas and undermines trust.

    The environment? Our government needs to sell alternatives to cars, but can’t because public transport, being the main alternative, cannot operate anywhere near what is required to be a real alternative because you have to pay thousands of drivers and support staff $40 plus an hour just so they can afford to live in NZ’s big cities, unaffordable broken housing market. And you know that ain’t going to happen nor is these useless pricks ever going to figure that out! So I’m picking it’s exploit third world immigrants in a forlorn attempt to make it work. But it won’t.

    And the Greens. What a waste of taxpayer money. What have they done to justify their existence or salaries?

    I’m picking Jacinda is seriously mulling over abandoning ship as she won’t want to go down with it. It would look terrible on her résumé!

    1. So when the ACT and National parties ship starts sinking will Luxon go back to Air NZ as the great white hope and Seymour be that one man band, corrupt Epom deal leader, that’s already on their c.v.s

    2. She has to get out now if she can. Her sun has past it’s zenith both here and abroad.

  5. “…The next Government will require multiple parties to form the majority in an overhang Parliament.” Martyn Bradbury

    These timid cowards had the first ever house majority in parliament ever achieved under our MMP system. And they threw it all away. Labour could have enacted all the progressive legislation they wanted to, to help out their working class and Pacifica and Maori base.
    Why didn’t they?
    Labour MPs either lost their nerve, or weren’t all that interested in serving their voting base, to begin with.
    The ingrained habits of more than two decades of neoliberal trickle down, let the Market forces rip, certainty proved too hard to shake.

    Labour’s cowardice and/or treachery will saddle us with another Right Wing National ACT NZF government that will undo even the mildest reforms that Labour have enacted, and then some. The NACTSNZFs on behalf of their corporate donars will then procede to go on a bull throated assault on beneficiaries, on working people and the natural environment that sustains us all.

    Worst fail ever

    1. I had the same Road to Damascus moment in January 2021. Took me 6 months to stop being really angry. They went into this with their eyes open but were arrogant enough to think they knew better. What is so galling even more than the fact they screwed the poor is that they have made Labour unelectable for a good 15 years. So we will have decades of National lead deprivation.

  6. Winstones two best policies are immigration and regional development. Winstones’ supporters time is almost up as they are mostly old and white as is his Maori bashing, it’s also old and tired same shit different day. Looking forward to the battle for the same old tried people votes, chuck in the rednecks many residing in the South Island well its gonna get nasty.

  7. National voters could not trust Winston to go with them so vote splitting will be out unless they opt for Act . Labour voters know they would have to eat so much humble pie to make up for the last three years and sacrifice many of their Maori cabinet to appease him that he is not an option. This election is as important for him as it is for us because he knows it is this last hurrah. There is only so many times you can come back from defeat and remain credtable

    1. If for National going with Winston was needed for them to be in Government and not going with him meant being be in Opposition, what would they do? Pinch their noses and jump in? Too bloody right they would.

      The old saying ‘fall down a sewer and come up with a gold watch’ comes to mind.
      If getting over the line means needing NZF? Winston could say, “Jump in the cesspool of shit and I’ll get you into power.” Chris Bishop would be in there before the last word was finished, Simeon Brown would be, “How deep Sir,” and Mark Mitchell would hold his nose while making then biggest splash.

      1. Past experience suggests otherwise e.g. the 2017 election. Bill English wasn’t prepared to pinch his nose. IMO it is highly unlikely that NZ First will be in a position to go with anyone come 2023. Nats knew what he Winston was like and Labour have now been burnt by Winston. In the unlikely event NZ First were to get 5% I think they would sit on the cross benches. The way the trend is going Nact won’t need additional support to get over half the seats in 2023.

  8. The next poll will be interesting, NZF start getting 3-4% and the PANIC! will set in on both sides.

  9. NZ has bad track record for apartheid, racism and discrimination despite having policies like EEO this policy has recently been proven by research to be failing Maori, PI and women. Policies and legislation are only as good as an organisations ability and culture within the workplace, government agency, private company to monitor compliance and the monitoring needs to be ongoing not willy nilly. So, for good old Winstone to come out and say our TOW polices like three waters and council representation are apartheid in action he needs to pull his head in and retire.

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